http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/324954 en-US 60 <blockquote> <p><a href="/forums/10/topics/323619" rel="nofollow"><span style= "color: #0000ff;">You</span></a><span style= "color: #0000ff;">&nbsp;surely must be joking if anyone can be your favorite opposition ?</span></p> <p><span style="color: #0000ff;">What is the use of anyone to be your favorite opposition when you do not believe that&nbsp;democracy will work, AND will want to have "<em>restricted rights on opposition</em>"&nbsp;?</span></p> <p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Have you forgotten&nbsp;your early reply in the other thread shown below ?</span></p> </blockquote> <p>Again u show yourself to make lousy conclusions based on&nbsp;insufficient facts. I do not like democracy and think liberal democracy do not works, doesn't mean&nbsp;I have to hate all the opposition party members.Andy lau acted in some lousy shows before. Just because I hate some of the movies doesn't means I have to everyone involved in the movie. Just because u hate the PAP, it doesn't means u hate all the "old guards" and all the MPs in it as well.</p> Wed, 30 Jul 2008 02:18:34 +0800 sgforums.com:10:324954:8275642 stupidissmart http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/324954 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Stevenson101:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>Pretty well written, hope to see more of such letters.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>I support the idea that to bring across any message, there is usually no need to be too direct.&nbsp; Being too direct or without tact could be self-defeating.</p> <p>TOC's&nbsp;style of 'commenting' is quite safe.</p> <p>However, I wonder how TOC came about. Is it supported by any agency?</p> <p>I really am clueless 100%.</p> Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:05:09 +0800 sgforums.com:10:324954:8275535 Jingojingjing http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/324954 <p>To me, it seems like JBJ is itching for an election to come asap. This letter is written as a 'dare' to our PM. If PM accepts, he will likely be labelled as behaving like a kid who accept dares just like that. Yet if he don't accept, he will likely be labelled as a coward by JBJ. Hmmm....</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>And seems like our resident autistic troll has nothing to say about JBJ's article with his new nicks.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:59:55 +0800 sgforums.com:10:324954:8275321 eagle http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/324954 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by pearlie27:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p><br /> I think JBJ is the kind of opposition PM Lee fears. Even MM Lee reckons him a threat otherwise he wouldn't bankrupt him so many times</p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> That is how I see it,too.&nbsp;&nbsp; Among all the oppositions, I respect Mr JBJ.</p> Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:36:50 +0800 sgforums.com:10:324954:8275259 Fantagf http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/324954 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Fantagf:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>Posted by admin on July 21, 2008</p> <p><strong>JBJ has written an open letter to PM Lee dated 21 July 2008.</strong></p> <p><strong>This copy of the open letter was received from Mr Ng Teck Siong, Chairman of the Reform Party, on the same day.</strong></p> <p style="text-align: center;"><img src= "http://www.sgpolitics.net/picsarchive03/001a.jpg" alt="" /></p> <p style="text-align: center;"><img src= "http://www.sgpolitics.net/picsarchive03/002a.jpg" alt="" /></p> <p>Can our PM stand on his own without backing from his beloved dictator papa?</p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> I think JBJ is the kind of opposition PM Lee fears. Even MM Lee reckons him a threat otherwise he wouldn't bankrupt him so many times</p> Tue, 29 Jul 2008 20:15:34 +0800 sgforums.com:10:324954:8274952 pearlie27 http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/324954 <p>Indeed, a clever letter but I can also imagine the intended reader sniggering and choking as he reads.<br /> <br /> I'm afraid&nbsp;the fish will not bit,&nbsp;the&nbsp;wolf&nbsp;still hides in sheep cloth.</p> Sat, 26 Jul 2008 18:45:48 +0800 sgforums.com:10:324954:8267457 00011000 http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/324954 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by stupidissmart:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>The letter is very well written :p</p> <p>Understandable english filled with relevant points</p> <p>He has always been my favourite opposition</p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> <a href="/forums/10/topics/323619" rel="nofollow"><span style= "color: #0000ff;">You</span></a><span style= "color: #0000ff;">&nbsp;surely must be joking if anyone can be your favorite opposition ?</span></p> <p><span style="color: #0000ff;">What is the use of anyone to be your favorite opposition when you do not believe that&nbsp;democracy will work, AND will want to have "<em>restricted rights on opposition</em>"&nbsp;?</span></p> <p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Have you forgotten&nbsp;your early reply in the other thread shown below ?</span></p> <p><span style= "color: #0000ff;">Extracting&nbsp;your&nbsp;post&nbsp;from the other thread :</span> <a href="/forums/10/topics/323619" rel= "nofollow">“IBA: Prosperity versus individual rights ”&nbsp;&nbsp;</a></p> <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by stupidissmart:</div> </blockquote> <blockquote> <p>Given me a choice</p> <p>a) Restricted rights on opposition but stable governence promote economic growth</p> <p>b) Good individual rights but economic outlook bleak and instability</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>I choose to be in category A <img src= "/images/emoticons/classic/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt= "icon_rolleyes.gif" /></p> <p><strong>I don't believe democracy works anyway</strong></p> </blockquote> <p>&nbsp;</p> Thu, 24 Jul 2008 04:47:07 +0800 sgforums.com:10:324954:8261951 Atobe http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/324954 <p>my take is this is a very clever letter. it steer clear of specifics less jbj loses his pants again, yet get the point across the LHL should come out a defend the system rather than hide behind the daddy.</p> <p>this is the type of alternative voice we need, thought provoking but not inciteful (of violence), so people are expose to an alternative view and decide and make informed choices for themselves.</p> <p>can the present opposition write as succinctly as jbj? i think not. that's why LKY praise Low TK; because he is entry level.</p> Thu, 24 Jul 2008 00:51:10 +0800 sgforums.com:10:324954:8261813 redDUST http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/324954 <p>Anyone found any defaming comments by JBJ? I will be damn pissed if they sue him again.</p> <p>Very well written indeed.</p> Thu, 24 Jul 2008 00:14:53 +0800 sgforums.com:10:324954:8261767 Evangel http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/324954 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by ivebeenhad:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>that is his fathers job as mm to help his son in such situation. I wouldnt be supprised if it happened.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>He has 3 to 4 or 5 ministers helping him, isn't this sufficient?&nbsp;&nbsp;</p> Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:14:35 +0800 sgforums.com:10:324954:8260813 Dondontan http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/324954 <p>I admire Mr J for his guts, passion and determination.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Long live, Mr J.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; May junior Lee respond.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Is Junior Lee still going through infancy stage in his career as PM, why does he need so many ministers to back him up?&nbsp;&nbsp;</p> <p>Best wishes to Mr J.&nbsp;</p> Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:13:38 +0800 sgforums.com:10:324954:8260812 Dondontan http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/324954 <p>that is his fathers job as mm to help his son in such situation. I wouldnt be supprised if it happened.</p> Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:26:30 +0800 sgforums.com:10:324954:8260735 ivebeenhad http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/324954 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Hawk Eye:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>This letter was very well&nbsp;written. To know if LHL is a good or bad leader, we shall see how he response to this letter.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>But i doubt he will take up the challenge. Perhaps he will just&nbsp;hide behind his father and let his father settle this.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>LHL, prove it to us that you are someone who can really lead us and not after our money.&nbsp;Most of us&nbsp;played our part as good citizens and pay taxes. If not, would you be able to draw million dollar salary p.a?</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>George Bush have done so much shit and gets only USD$400K p.a. You did nothing but get alot more than him! Show us that you're really worth the $3.7M salary!</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>May be now he is crying to his dad for help.</p> Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:29:34 +0800 sgforums.com:10:324954:8260444 Fantagf http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/324954 <p>This letter was very well&nbsp;written. To know if LHL is a good or bad leader, we shall see how he response to this letter.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>But i doubt he will take up the challenge. Perhaps he will just&nbsp;hide behind his father and let his father settle this.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>LHL, prove it to us that you are someone who can really lead us and not after our money.&nbsp;Most of us&nbsp;played our part as good citizens and pay taxes. If not, would you be able to draw million dollar salary p.a?</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>George Bush have done so much shit and gets only USD$400K p.a. You did nothing but get alot more than him! Show us that you're really worth the $3.7M salary!</p> Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:06:00 +0800 sgforums.com:10:324954:8260055 Hawk Eye http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/324954 <p>Pretty well written, hope to see more of such letters.</p> Tue, 22 Jul 2008 21:13:07 +0800 sgforums.com:10:324954:8259191 Stevenson101 http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/324954 <p>The letter is very well written :p</p> <p>Understandable english filled with relevant points</p> <p>He has always been my favourite opposition</p> Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:51:36 +0800 sgforums.com:10:324954:8259171 stupidissmart http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/324954 <p>No, his effort&nbsp; is not wasted.&nbsp;&nbsp; He has played his part to speak up.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p> Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:07:46 +0800 sgforums.com:10:324954:8259097 Fantagf http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/324954 <p>mr JB jeyaretnam makes sense but i doubt our PM will respond to his challenge in the desired fashion because he confirm lose. so i think jeyaretnam wasted his effort preparing the letter.</p> Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:04:08 +0800 sgforums.com:10:324954:8259091 ivebeenhad http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/324954 <p>Click on the letter for legible reading.</p> Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:57:50 +0800 sgforums.com:10:324954:8258926 Fantagf http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/324954 <p>Posted by admin on July 21, 2008</p> <p><strong>JBJ has written an open letter to PM Lee dated 21 July 2008.</strong></p> <p><strong>This copy of the open letter was received from Mr Ng Teck Siong, Chairman of the Reform Party, on the same day.</strong></p> <p style="text-align: center;"><img src= "http://www.sgpolitics.net/picsarchive03/001a.jpg" alt="" /></p> <p style="text-align: center;"><img src= "http://www.sgpolitics.net/picsarchive03/002a.jpg" alt="" /></p> <p>Can our PM stand on his own without backing from his beloved dictator papa?</p> Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:54:48 +0800 sgforums.com:10:324954:8258922 Fantagf http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/324954