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  • Airforceone's Avatar
    205 posts since May '05
    • What is the big deal here? Its just a promotion!

      The media is playing the race issue here again.

      They titled it "SAF 1st Malay general"

      To hear Colonel Ishak Ismail, 46, tell it, his decision to become a regular officer in the Singapore Armed Forces (SAF) was greeted with some incredulity.

      He recalled yesterday that someone asked him pointedly: “This is your name — you sure you want to sign on?”

      He has replied in the affirmative many times in the last 28 years.

      Yesterday, his time in the military was capped in historic fashion — he has become the first Malay general in the SAF.

      His promotion marks a milestone in Malays’ efforts to be fully accepted in the military, a controversial issue ever since it was disclosed in 1987 that the SAF adopted a cautious approach in placing them in key positions.

      Ishak was one of five who headed the SAF’s annual promotion list and attained the rank of Brigadier-General or Rear-Admiral (One Star).

      The other four were: Colonel (Dr) Benjamin Seet and Colonel Lee Shiang Long from the Army; the Republic of Singapore Navy’s Colonel Tan Wee Beng; and Colonel Kwek Kok Kwong of the Republic of Singapore Air Force.

      The five were among 464 from all three arms — both regulars and operationally-ready National Servicemen — presented with their certificates of promotion at a ceremony at Bukit Gombak Camp yesterday.

      The promotions will take effect from July 1, which is SAF Day.

      For Ishak, moving to the rank of Brigadier-General is reward for what he calls a consuming passion: Developing people to their potential.

      Calling himself a “servant leader”, he said: “What gets me up in the morning and gives me the passion every day is the same reason I became a regular officer: Being able to influence people to something that they may not see themselves accomplishing.”

      He has served in numerous appointments and is now the Commander of the 6th Singapore Division.

      Last year, he received the Public Administration Medal (Silver) (Military) Medal.

      He paid tribute to his wife, who put her career aspirations on hold to become a homemaker and mother to their two daughters, aged 15 and 17.

      His “mission”, he said, is to spend quality time with his family: “I have never made the SAF an excuse for my family to be sidelined.

      “They don’t have enough of me, so I think I should give as much as I can.”

      The other officers promoted yesterday to one-star rank also spoke of the sense of purpose they get from defending the country.

      Said the RSAF’s Kwek, who has served for more than 20 years: ‘Defending the country is a very honourable task, and is what keeps me going.’

      Tan said that his most rewarding moments come from “working side by

      side with people towards a common goal”.

      Commenting on Col Ishak’s promotion yesterday, the Minister for the Environment & Water Resources and Minister-in-charge of Muslim Affairs Yaacob Ibrahim said it was a proud moment for the Malay-Muslim community and for all Singaporeans.

      He said it showed that hard work and playing by the rules would bring its rewards in a meritocratic society.

      Asked if he hoped more Malays would follow in Ishak’s footsteps, he said it was hoped this would happen, although it would depend on their ability and their interest.

      “No Malays should now feel like they can’t do it. If Col Ishak can do it, we can all do it,” he said. — ST

      To me, it's just a natural progression

  • Stevenson101's Avatar
    1,918 posts since Feb '03
  • lianamaster's Avatar
    16,163 posts since Sep '08
    • Originally posted by Stevenson101:

      Of course it's a big deal, considering Malays were rarely seen so high in the hierachy.

      Agree...

  • Nikar 3's Avatar
    1,214 posts since Jan '08
    • come on, what's the difference?! we all know long ago that all generals in SAF = PAPER GENERALS

  • Master -_-'s Avatar
    21,460 posts since Jan '03
    • i knew it all along he will be the first Malay BG...the only competent Malay COL i know of deserving of that promotion...from commander AOAS to Commander BMTC to Commander Tradoc then 6th Div Comd..already 2 former SAFTI colonels promoted to BG..chances are COA if possible..

  • sgdiehard's Avatar
    3,470 posts since Jul '04
    • Originally posted by Nikar 3:

      come on, what's the difference?! we all know long ago that all generals in SAF = PAPER GENERALS

       when you are in SAF uniform, you salute him when you see him! paper general is higher ranking than armchair general, understand!

  • Short Ninja's Avatar
    8,570 posts since Jan '07
    • Originally posted by sgdiehard:

       when you are in SAF uniform, you salute him when you see him! paper general is higher ranking than armchair general, understand!

      absolutely!

  • RvnRooRon84's Avatar
    1,566 posts since Jan '05
  • citymax's Avatar
    818 posts since Nov '06
    • i knew him when he was at tekong..i think he is one of the CO. great personality.Congrats!

  • Singmarine's Avatar
    248 posts since Jun '09
    • Originally posted by citymax:

      i knew him when he was at tekong..i think he is one of the CO. great personality.Congrats!


      He was my former brigade commander in 12SIB in 2003. Ever seen a regular LTC who accompany NS men for range & ICT??? Seen any regular LTC go & sitdown with NS men in range & outfield. The men I am refering is LCP & Privates..not specialist & officers. If there is, so far I ever see it to be LTC Ishak Ismail then.

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    35,175 posts since Apr '03
  • noahnoah's Avatar
    8,045 posts since May '06
    • Originally posted by Singmarine:


      He was my former brigade commander in 12SIB in 2003. Ever seen a regular LTC who accompany NS men for range & ICT??? Seen any regular LTC go & sitdown with NS men in range & outfield. The men I am refering is LCP & Privates..not specialist & officers. If there is, so far I ever see it to be LTC Ishak Ismail then.


      ever saw a two bar/ who is a big name lawyer 

      in the legal world, dig trench

      with resevist till early morning and buy breakfast for

      reservist?

      So what the big deal about that?

      Edited by noahnoah 26 Jun `09, 3:54PM
  • marcteng's Avatar
    5,195 posts since Oct '05
    • what is his qualifications? did he study at Ivy League SAF scholar?

    • Originally posted by Singmarine:


      He was my former brigade commander in 12SIB in 2003. Ever seen a regular LTC who accompany NS men for range & ICT??? Seen any regular LTC go & sitdown with NS men in range & outfield. The men I am refering is LCP & Privates..not specialist & officers. If there is, so far I ever see it to be LTC Ishak Ismail then.


      Good, that should be the way officers should be. respect must be earned through acts like these. good for him.

    • read in the papers that in 1987, the SAF hierachy dun trust malays with higher positions within the SAF. thats wrong I feel. u mean all malays cant be trusted? just because a terrorist happened to be a malay, all malays are being branded as terrorists or capable of betraying sg if go to war with indonesia or malaysia? there will always be a bad apple or a bunch of bad apples in every race.

  • Don©'s Avatar
    421 posts since Apr '06
    • Well its a first, and hopefully more competent officers can be promoted irregardless of what name he calls god. 

  • stellazio's Avatar
    47,461 posts since Apr '05
    • the day where the lines between races will be taken out is when you see a malay fighter pilot reaching the general rank.

      Edited by stellazio 26 Jun `09, 6:48PM
  • Singmarine's Avatar
    248 posts since Jun '09
    • Not sure whether I am revealng too much here..Mag Ishak Ismail was CO 6 SIR, 7th Mono intake (my seniors). Attend the ranger course but drop out..that’s y he only manage to retain the Thai Airborne badge.

      Later LTC Ishak Ismail became Commander 12th SIB then he posted to Commander BMTC and get his COL.

      Very fatherly like, he never fail to speak to LCP & private in our annual ICT…in small group informal discussion. U can always see him tag along 12th SIB BRC mission..walking with the troopers or following our NS battalion on foot behind. U can see him buying snacks & drinks with men in the “mobile” canteen in SAFTI range & live firing area.

      He never differentiate between men & commanders.

      In war, we will die to protect him.

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    545 posts since Jul '08
  • Nikar 3's Avatar
    1,214 posts since Jan '08
    • Originally posted by sgdiehard:

       when you are in SAF uniform, you salute him when you see him! paper general is higher ranking than armchair general, understand!

      what's the diff between armchair general and paper general? in war, these clowns cower safely under the safety of their HQ........first to shout orders, first to flee with their tails between their legs, while we die first.

      if u say specialists or offficers, then i can respect them (some of them, not all).

      however, if you're talking about these top brass with multi-crabs and stars on their shoulders, who do nothing all day but to tag behind president and give / receive awards, then i seriously would respect that stray mongrel on my street than these guys.

      when war comes, the first thing is not to serve these generals, but to run first.

      if can't, then serve whoever will let you live, be it enemy or whatever.

      Edited by Nikar 3 26 Jun `09, 10:53PM
  • R3SsH|n's Avatar
    9,683 posts since Apr '05
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    1,214 posts since Jan '08
  • Arapahoe's Avatar
    6,689 posts since Jan '07
    • In time of War there will be a vertical adjustment those that make it will lead those who can't will drop out.

      But

      Recent years SAF have send out more officers and mens for oversea assignment, particularly in Afghan and Gulf these officers will gain experiences in both planning and deployment.  I think SAF will continue to participate overseas deployment.

      in years to come SAF top General would be better experience than the current badge. 

      It bring about a more serious tone to those who choose to take up SAF as career. It will slowly filter out those who can't for whatever reason.

       

       

         

       

      Edited by Arapahoe 27 Jun `09, 12:18AM
  • Singmarine's Avatar
    248 posts since Jun '09
    • I think we have to be realistic here…which general does not give command from his HQ & dun follow his men to battlefield? Even US generals command the Gulf War & Iraq War from the comfort of their HQ. Likewise those garang generals from PLA, DPRK etc also command from the HQ.

                              During the Gulf war, the real command of the battle is from the white house then to the pentagon & lastly the forward command is at saudi arabia.  The rationale is that commanding from behind provide a wider perspective of the battlefield scenerio and better situational awareness.  Imagine, if a general get killed while fighting his troops, do u think the entire army will be demoralised?  How many lives will be lost then?
                              
      Edited by Singmarine 27 Jun `09, 10:34PM
  • Arapahoe's Avatar
    6,689 posts since Jan '07
    • i think what i gather was that most of our forumners are saying our generals does not have battlefield experiences.

      command under stress and command under peace time can be quite different.

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