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  • Vote PAP OUT to Save SG's Avatar
    2,215 posts since Apr '10
  • lionnoisy's Avatar
    6,609 posts since May '05
  • wayne471's Avatar
    118 posts since Jul '10
    • He's not wrong to say that. In fact, i second his opinion. Singapore is too small and we're really lacking of political leaders. It's hard to argue against.

  • Asromanista2001's Avatar
    3,957 posts since May '10
    • S'pore is a democracy meh ????

      of course not what !!!

       

      S'pore appears to be a personal fiefdom of LKY.............

       

      acyual fact is S'pore is still a Crown Colony with the Lee Family appointed as governors...........

       

      a Crown Colony is not owned by the British Royal Family but refers to the rulers of City of London..........they're the ones wearing the true crown of the British Empire.........

  • ~PEPPER~'s Avatar
    1,680 posts since Apr '10
    • Singapore is a democractic country if not we wont have election?

      Edited by ~PEPPER~ 19 Jul `10, 11:22AM
  • the Bear's Avatar
    149,694 posts since Feb '01
    • no shit..

      just like in the US, there's no democracy either...

      here's the take on what people need to know...

      the "leaders" are there to serve the people.. as long as the people know and remember that, and take the "leaders" to task about it, the country will be well..

      most politicians will do their utmost to make their people ignorant about it...

      don't let them and the people, if they are responsible enough to do their own part, all will be fine...

      this is the question i will ask of the people.. are you able to take on the responsibility of democracy?

  • angel7030's Avatar
    30,628 posts since Jul '07
    • You do not need a professor to tell you about demorcracy and especially a US of A one, just ask New orlean black and they will tell you what is US demorcacy all about, a piece of shit.

      Democracy is not a one system fit all, every demorcratic nation runs differently, same to goes socialist and communist or militarilism, not all communist country runs the same way. The common rule in demorcacy is as long as you can go and come as your free will, you just need a passport to travel the world, that is it.

      Make thing simple, dun complicate it

  • mancha's Avatar
    8,961 posts since Sep '04
    • That fella just believe that Singapore's democracy is a sham.

      He believes that USA democracy is the utmost.

      Its just personal belief.

      To the Americans, chicken is best deep fried.

      Curry Chicken to them is a terrible way to ruin chicken.

      They espouse freedom, but go by the rule , "My way or no way".

  • Junyang700's Avatar
    8,043 posts since Feb '08
    • If i am not wrong, the most democratic countries in the world are Netherlands and Denmark. Can do anything you want.

      Even Australia, USA, UK are more towards democratic with a bit of socialism inside.

      Singapore is somewhere in between democratic and autocratic.

  • angel7030's Avatar
    30,628 posts since Jul '07
    • Pros and Cons, each system will have their advantages and disadvantages. Being too democratic here will harm us more, so you need abit of autocratic to have control.

  • ditzy's Avatar
    68,869 posts since Dec '03
  • angel7030's Avatar
    30,628 posts since Jul '07
    • Usually these western Professors who failed to get recognized and failed to come out with any good hypothesis or papers for years, would choose to write some remark on Singapore govt or laws just to get themselve into the limelight. I think that is very lame

  • freedomclub's Avatar
    930 posts since Nov '08
    • Originally posted by angel7030:

      You do not need a professor to tell you about demorcracy and especially a US of A one, just ask New orlean black and they will tell you what is US demorcacy all about, a piece of shit.

      Democracy is not a one system fit all, every demorcratic nation runs differently, same to goes socialist and communist or militarilism, not all communist country runs the same way. The common rule in demorcacy is as long as you can go and come as your free will, you just need a passport to travel the world, that is it.

      Make thing simple, dun complicate it

      Exactly. "Democracy" seems to be just a label these days, just like how manufacturers find it better for business if they had words like "organic" or "natural" placed on their products.

      Has anyone read "Freedom for Sale"?

       

      Review from The Guardian:

      But now, much assisted by John Kampfner's acidulous essays in autocratic reality, we can all wake up. Kampfner, political journalist turned human rights campaigner, isn't dealing here with the shambles of Afghanistan. His more amorphous target is the anaesthetised freedom of the city state of his birth, Singapore, and the insidious spread of Lee Kuan Yew's model democracy – not just to Malaysia, but on to Beijing and beyond.

      Can you have economic success without political freedom? The Bush and Blair camps would probably answer no, with a windy rhetorical flourish. Capitalism depends on the market and the market depends on human beings (aka consumers) exercising free choice. But Singapore has slyly inserted another level of choice. It has made what Kampfner calls "a pact" with its citizenry. You can accrete wealth and trappings, eat good food, live in fine houses and enjoy a "good" life: just don't rock our boat.

      It's a covert deal intended to keep everyone happy. It offers those who've made it the ability to keep it. It gives new generations of loyal citizens the prospect that they, too, can grow rich and contented. The price – a certain quiescence – doesn't seem so high by the side of a swimming pool. What alternative is there? Utter a word out of place and you'll be sued, banned or taxed out of existence. Play the game and the world smiles with you. Free choice can mean choosing not to get involved.

      There's one further factor that Kampfner shrewdly pops into this pot: simple fear, as in terror of chaos. Lee Kuan Yew, like his disciples in Kuala Lumpur, trades on fear of communal violence. Beijing has centuries of civil war and imploding dynasties to shiver the timbers of its fledgling tycoons. Vladimir Putin, offering order against the drunken debacles of the Yeltsin era, adds Moscow to the list. And so, from India to Berlusconi's Italy, to Brown's phone-tapping Britain, we see true freedoms under attack, fading, dying.

       

  • dangerboi's Avatar
    1,900 posts since Dec '06
    • Originally posted by Junyang700:

      If i am not wrong, the most democratic countries in the world are Netherlands and Denmark. Can do anything you want.

      Even Australia, USA, UK are more towards democratic with a bit of socialism inside.

      Singapore is somewhere in between democratic and autocratic.

      The 'democracy' in Denmark is...

      Frequent Holland and you'll be lucky that you're living in Singapore.

       

    • To emphasize, it's you'll be lucky that you're living in Singapore...not you'll feel lucky/fortunate that you're living in Singapore. 'Feel' and 'be' are two different verbs

  • Fallen-Angel's Avatar
    369 posts since Mar '10
  • angel7030's Avatar
    30,628 posts since Jul '07
    • Originally posted by freedomclub:

      Exactly. "Democracy" seems to be just a label these days, just like how manufacturers find it better for business if they had words like "organic" or "natural" placed on their products.

      Has anyone read "Freedom for Sale"?

       

      Review from The Guardian:

      But now, much assisted by John Kampfner's acidulous essays in autocratic reality, we can all wake up. Kampfner, political journalist turned human rights campaigner, isn't dealing here with the shambles of Afghanistan. His more amorphous target is the anaesthetised freedom of the city state of his birth, Singapore, and the insidious spread of Lee Kuan Yew's model democracy – not just to Malaysia, but on to Beijing and beyond.

      Can you have economic success without political freedom? The Bush and Blair camps would probably answer no, with a windy rhetorical flourish. Capitalism depends on the market and the market depends on human beings (aka consumers) exercising free choice. But Singapore has slyly inserted another level of choice. It has made what Kampfner calls "a pact" with its citizenry. You can accrete wealth and trappings, eat good food, live in fine houses and enjoy a "good" life: just don't rock our boat.

      It's a covert deal intended to keep everyone happy. It offers those who've made it the ability to keep it. It gives new generations of loyal citizens the prospect that they, too, can grow rich and contented. The price – a certain quiescence – doesn't seem so high by the side of a swimming pool. What alternative is there? Utter a word out of place and you'll be sued, banned or taxed out of existence. Play the game and the world smiles with you. Free choice can mean choosing not to get involved.

      There's one further factor that Kampfner shrewdly pops into this pot: simple fear, as in terror of chaos. Lee Kuan Yew, like his disciples in Kuala Lumpur, trades on fear of communal violence. Beijing has centuries of civil war and imploding dynasties to shiver the timbers of its fledgling tycoons. Vladimir Putin, offering order against the drunken debacles of the Yeltsin era, adds Moscow to the list. And so, from India to Berlusconi's Italy, to Brown's phone-tapping Britain, we see true freedoms under attack, fading, dying.

       


      Even every person has his or her own way of democracy in life, if you choose to follow one's way of writing and agree up on it so as to embrace and follow it, so be it. But there are some who seek their own democracy, what they really wanted and take other comment as advices rather than being followers. Singapore democracy breed followers, many just go thru the motion, some dun even know what system we are in, and some just dun bother about it. How does these come about, very simple, Govt just make everyone stressed out and  busy making money, and most will forget about politics which will remain status quo. In here, i am not saying govt is conning people, i would rather said, good and skill way of governing

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