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  • cavsg's Avatar
    779 posts since Oct '02
    • PM: We did not warn Indon navy
      Annie Freeda Cruez and Chow Kum Hor

      Malaysia did not warn off Indonesian naval vessels when they approached Pulau Sipadan and Pulau Ligitan in the past unlike Singapore’s present behaviour in relation to Pulau Batu Puteh. Datuk Seri Dr Mahathir Mohamad said today that the republic did not have the right to issue warnings or threaten Malaysia over naval vessels patrolling near the disputed island.

      This was because the issue of who owned the island was still under dispute, the Prime Minister added.

      "Indonesians came and landed on the islands.

      "We did not stop them although the issue of who owned the islands was under dispute ...but we did not fight against them or shoo them away. We did not behave like Singapore," he said on his return from visits to Lebanon, Egypt and Switzerland.

      Dr Mahathir said this when asked to comment on Singapore Foreign Affairs Minister S. Jayakumar's statement in Parliament yesterday that the republic's actions on Pulau Batu Puteh were no different in law from Malaysia's actions in relation to Pulau Sipadan.

      Jayakumar had said that Malaysia claimed it had never done similar "unfriendly" or "unneighbourly" acts to Indonesia in their dispute over Sipadan and Ligitan.

      Asked to comment on Singapore Defence Minister Dr Tan Keng Yam's statement on Thursday urging Malaysia to stop repeated intrusions by the Malaysian navy and police boats into Singapore waters off Pulau Batu Puteh, Dr Mahathir said: "Malaysia has the right to continue patrolling near the island so long as the International Court of Justice has not decided who has sovereign right over the island." Dr Tan had said that if such intrusions continued, Malaysia would have to bear responsibility for any tense situations that arose and the increased risks of unintended incidents.

      Pulau Batu Puteh, which Singapore calls Pedra Branca, is located 7.7 nautical miles from Tanjung Penyusop in Johor and 25 nautical miles from Singapore's east coast.

      http://www.emedia.com.my/Current_News/NST/Monday/National/20030127074421/Article/

    • KL played rough with Indonesia over islands

      Indonesians dispute Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad's account in their long-standing dispute over two islands. He claimed Malaysia was not aggressive the way he accuses Singapore of behaving at Pedra Branca

      By Derwin Pereira and Devi Asmarani
      STRAITS TIMES INDONESIA BUREAU

      JAKARTA - Malaysia took several measures - including firing shots to warn off Indonesian military personnel in some cases - to stake its claims on the once-disputed islands of Sipadan and Ligitan.

      And despite diplomatic protests from Jakarta at the time, Indonesian officials said Malaysia built tourist resorts on one of the islands and gave Indonesians a hard time when they visited the islands.

      Such revelations are coming to light more than a month after the International Court of Justice (ICJ) ruled that the islands belonged to Malaysia. The Dec 17 decision came five years after the dispute was referred to the court.

      Sipadan is one of the world's top diving spots with picturesque marine parks. Ligitan is an uninhabited, mostly submerged islet.

      Sources here said tension mounted between the two countries in the mid-1990s as the two sides stepped up naval patrols in the area to assert their claims. There were also reports of minor skirmishes in the vicinity of the two islands.

      A senior intelligence officer said there were instances in which Malaysian forces guarding the islands fired at Indonesian military personnel for getting too close.

      'We were always ordered to back off to prevent a full-scale conflict, and these were reported back to the government although they were never made public to protect ongoing diplomatic efforts,' he said.

      Civilians and tourists from Indonesia were also not welcomed on the islands. They received shoddy treatment.

      Such accounts contrast with assertions made on Sunday by Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad that Malaysia did not behave aggressively.

      'In Sipadan, the Indonesians went there and some of them landed there. We didn't stop them. We didn't behave like Singapore, we didn't chase them away - and we didn't fight against them and we didn't try to shoo them off,' he said.

      He said this when commenting on a point Singapore Foreign Minister S. Jayakumar had made in the Singapore Parliament on Saturday. He had said that Singapore, in upholding the status quo on Pedra Branca, was doing what Malaysia did when it maintained its position on Sipadan and Ligitan.

      Mr Hasyim Djalal, a former senior diplomat and an expert on international maritime law, noted: 'When Indonesia tried to send people to carry out studies on the island...they had to go through an arduous process in Malaysia, before eventually being turned down.'

      A more detailed account of Malaysia's attitude was revealed in a recent report in the Indonesian weekly, Tempo.

      One of its journalists who tried to arrange a visit to Sipadan, two weeks before the ICJ ruling, revealed that several Malaysian tour agents turned him away when they realised he was Indonesian.

      Eventually, he got on the island. But Malaysian police picked him up soon after and detained him.

      He was questioned and harassed for several hours, and even accused of being an agent of the Indonesian military. He was then deported.

      The dispute over the two islands began in 1969, when Indonesia and Malaysia marked out their boundaries. Both sides shelved their dispute in a bid to improve ties.

      In 1991, Malaysia appeared to stake its claim openly by developing Sipadan as a diving resort island.

      An angry Jakarta accused Kuala Lumpur of breaching the accord to maintain the status quo pending a negotiated settlement on the sovereignty issue.

      The two sides met in Kuala Lumpur in June that year and decided that no one should develop the islands until the governments reached an agreement on their status.

      But Malaysia appeared to have breached this agreement by continuing to develop the island. It moved aggressively to market Sipadan and oversee the construction of more upscale resorts.

      The Visit Malaysia 1994 campaign, for example, featured the island as a tourism spot. Three years later, it promoted the resort in a brochure titled 'Sipadan Paradise' at a Berlin exhibition, provoking protests from Indonesia.

      Malaysia responded in a third-party note to Jakarta on Jan 3, 1994. 'Since Sipadan and Ligitan are parts of Malaysia, any and all activities undertaken by Malaysia on or pertaining to those islands and their surrounding waters constitute legitimate exercise of its sovereignty and jurisdiction,' the note said.

      'The continuing acts of intrusion by Indonesian naval vessels and aircraft in Malaysia's territorial waters and airspace around Sipadan and Ligitan similarly cannot in any way advance Indonesia's claims over the islands.'

      Indonesia's claim to ownership is based on an 1891 Anglo-Dutch Convention, arguing that the two countries were legally bound to this after inheriting their territories from the Netherlands and Britain.

      This was reflected in all maps issued until 1979, when Malaysia began to declare the two islands as part of its territory. Malaysia has maintained that it had effective control of both islands for more than 100 years since 1878, based on a 1907 Anglo-American agreement.

      It was even prepared to use force to hold on to them. In October 1994, a new rapid development force staged a mock military exercise to capture nearby Langkawi island from an imaginary enemy. This prompted Indonesia to express its concerns over the exercise.

      More recently, observers said that Malaysia stepped up its development of the resorts on the island, perhaps in the belief that Indonesia was too distracted by domestic problems to object.

      Malaysia's ambassador to Indonesia, Datuk Rastam Mohamed Isa, brushed aside the occasional protest from Jakarta.

      Maintaining its right to develop the islands, he declared in April 2001 - eight months before the ICJ verdict: 'We reject the Indonesian version of the status quo, in which the people in Sipadan and Ligitan should stop all construction work in the two islands.'

      http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/singapore/story/0,4386,168939,00.html

  • CX's Avatar
    1,926 posts since Apr '02
    • egg on their face again Mr. Green ... a rather interesting letter published in littlespeck.com...

      All loyal Malaysians would surely want to see our Government emerge a winner in its dispute with Singapore over the water issue, Pulau Batu Puteh (Malaysian name for Pedra Branca) and the KTM land.

      It is as important that justice and amity prevail between us since we have both cultural and familial ties with our neighbour across the causeway.

      The Singapore Foreign Affairs Ministry has posted on its website, www.mfa.gov.sg/press/speech the statement made in the Singapore Parliament on the 25th by Prof. S. Jeyakumar a former professor of international law, together with all documents relating to the dispute.

      I believe that the website of the Singapore High Commission in Kuala Lumpur, www.mfa.gov.sg/kl/ carries the same information.

      It is pitifully evident that our Foreign Affairs Ministry lacks competent officials to do the spade work and to give Dr Mahathir and our Foreign Minister sound advice.

      Wisma Putra must stop thinking that international relations can be conducted as easily as awarding a lucrative contract to a crony or in the same way as a penghulu would try to ascertain who stole durians from the dusun of one of his villagers,
      Ramalingam Rengasamy
      Jan 28, 2003

      http://www.littlespeck.com/letters/index.html#outflanked

  • whack's Avatar
    76 posts since Jul '02
    • ouch. malaysian government just don’t get it that they cannot get away with their outright lies, shaky arguments and actually shoddy propaganda to win the hearts of malaysians.

  • CX's Avatar
    1,926 posts since Apr '02
    • wah lan eh... the freaking malaysian press is BEYOND stupid man!

      http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/singapore/story/0,4386,169142,00.html?

      The Malay-language Berita Harian newspaper even questioned the authenticity of the letters and notes published by the Singapore media.

      It said the authenticity could not be verified as those on the website of The Straits Times, for instance, were in Portable Document Format - not pictures of the original documents.

      do they even understand the technology involved in this??? the pdf files posted on the MFA website ARE scans of the original document!

      any moron who has used Adobe products before would know... Adobe Acrobat encodes documents into PDF format with the "Print" command through the use of 2 sets of drivers.

      the "PDF Writer" is used if u might wanna touch up the original text from Adobe Acrobat and u want the text to be recognised as text when it is open in Acrobat or Acrobat Reader.

      a simple litmus test would be to see if u can select a section of the document as text and paste them in MS word as a line of text.

      the OTHER method, which i suppose is the one the MFA used (there are other software available who use the same method to make pdf files... ), is to print the original scans with the Acrobat Distiller. This method is used for several reasons: file compression, organization and easy navigation. easier to scroll one PDF file for each set of documents than to open 100+ pages individually with only the file name to tell them apart right??? DuH...

      since the file being processed is already a graphic file, u can't select the text as text objects so u can't tamper with them as easily.

      now, no encoding/encryption process is 100% secure and there aren't many ways to authenticate digital formats like u can with hard copies.

      SO, if the Malaysian press perceives Sg as liars, then i suggest they go ask hamid to release HIS set of documents as well to see if they tally. since they think themselves so high, mighty and moral, we trust them not to tamper with their version right? Evil or Very Mad

  • duotiga83's Avatar
    26,686 posts since Aug '02
  • kanzer's Avatar
    178 posts since Nov '02
    • Originally posted by CX:
      wah lan eh... the freaking malaysian press is BEYOND stupid man!

      http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/singapore/story/0,4386,169142,00.html?

      do they even understand the technology involved in this??? the pdf files posted on the MFA website ARE scans of the original document!

      any moron who has used Adobe products before would know... Adobe Acrobat encodes documents into PDF format with the "Print" command through the use of 2 sets of drivers.

      the "PDF Writer" is used if u might wanna touch up the original text from Adobe Acrobat and u want the text to be recognised as text when it is open in Acrobat or Acrobat Reader.

      a simple litmus test would be to see if u can select a section of the document as text and paste them in MS word as a line of text.

      the OTHER method, which i suppose is the one the MFA used (there are other software available who use the same method to make pdf files... ), is to print the original scans with the Acrobat Distiller. This method is used for several reasons: file compression, organization and easy navigation. easier to scroll one PDF file for each set of documents than to open 100+ pages individually with only the file name to tell them apart right??? DuH...

      since the file being processed is already a graphic file, u can't select the text as text objects so u can't tamper with them as easily.

      now, no encoding/encryption process is 100% secure and there aren't many ways to authenticate digital formats like u can with hard copies.

      SO, if the Malaysian press perceives Sg as liars, then i suggest they go ask hamid to release HIS set of documents as well to see if they tally. since they think themselves so high, mighty and moral, we trust them not to tamper with their version right? Evil or Very Mad

      how come no one tell them to ask dr m himself....... they really shoot themselves in their foot this tell round....

      come to think of it, if we showed the original documents, that would showed that the msian govt did not do their homework....by attacking the authenticity of the documents, the msian press is indirectly or inadvertly questioning the competency of their own govt......damn ironic.....

      secondly, by presenting this argument, this confirms my view that they have run out of credible and concrete evidence to back up their case...... effectively, they check mate themselves by opening their mouths in the first place......

      by embrassing themselves and their govt with their unfounded allegations, they have indeed done themselves favours........

      stupid got a limit.....obviously someone up north does not know the boundary of stupidity....... not only the whole world is watching....i believe they are laughing too........

  • SingaporeTyrannosaur's Avatar
    6,889 posts since Jan '03
    • Friends, do you think they care if they shoot themselves in the foot? They are political babies, soil their own diapers and make a fuss about it and want us to clean their mess for them…

      Edited by SingaporeTyrannosaur 30 Jan `03, 2:12PM
  • Eiizumi's Avatar
    1,183 posts since Jan '03
    • Pedra Branca is OURS... for now...

      Malaysia has still no rights to enter the waters TILL we sign the special agreement... It's a violation.

      I know Malaysia "kiasu" to take, but they should follow the rules of the books...

      Hahahahahaha.... I wonder which BUGGER said we got VTOL aircraft on the Pedra Branca's Helipad..... The pad wouldn't hold...

      Rolling Eyes Haiz.... Malaysia...

  • Gun's Avatar
    694 posts since Nov '02
    • Originally posted by CX:
      wah lan eh... the freaking malaysian press is BEYOND stupid man!
      do they even understand the technology involved in this??? the pdf files posted on the MFA website ARE scans of the original document!

      Adobe's PDF standard is one of the most widely used electronic documentation and e-archiving standard in used today by many organsiations. So popular that even Palm OS has its own reader version. In fact in some latest models of digital photocopies can generate instant PDF files directly without the need for PDF editor applications.

      One wanders whatever happened to those IT investments gone to in Malaysia's media ?

  • SingaporeTyrannosaur's Avatar
    6,889 posts since Jan '03
    • You mean their super multimedia palm oil plantation?

      Edited by SingaporeTyrannosaur 30 Jan `03, 2:51PM
  • CX's Avatar
    1,926 posts since Apr '02
    • Originally posted by kanzer:
      stupid got a limit.....obviously someone up north does not know the boundary of stupidity....... not only the whole world is watching....i believe they are laughing too........

      actually, genius then got limit... stupidity no limit one Mr. Green

  • SingaporeTyrannosaur's Avatar
    6,889 posts since Jan '03
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