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  • Pervertedboy's Avatar
    329 posts since Nov '13
    • Currently, there is 99 providing direct bus connection from Yunnan (Nanyang and Gek Poh) to the Bon Lay and Hong Kah subzones and 185 to the Wenya and Hong Kah Sub-zones of Jurong West. From the Hong Kah area, there is 99 to Boon Lay and the Extension area and 185 to Wenya and Yunnan (Nanyang and Gek Poh) – Yunnan (Nanyang and Gek Poh), Boon Lay and Hong Kah are well inter-connected by direct bus.

      Wenya has weak direct bus connection to Boon Lay subzone: there are bus routes to Boon Lay but only to the Western end of Boon Lay. There is totally no direct bus connection to Taman Jurong from Yunnan (Nanyang and Gek Poh) and Wenya. Whereas for the bus connection to the Gek Poh and Jurong Point areas, 181 has already been proposed to be re-routed to loop around Jurong West Avenue 3, Jurong West Street 22, Jurong West Street 23, Jurong West Avenue 2, Wenya Avenue, Wenya Drive and Jalan Bahar, when the Wenya Industrial Estate is developed.

      As such, I would propose a new bus route primarily providing connections from Wenya to Taman Jurong and from Yunnan (Nanyang and Gek Poh) to Taman Jurong.

      This bus route to Taman Jurong can also be extended to the upcomg Tukang industrial area after going through Taman Jurong. 

      1. Joo Koon Bus Interchange (providing direct bus connection to the Joo Koon Industrial area from the Jurong West Extension area)
      2. Benoi Road 
      3. Upper Jurong Road 
      4. Jurong West Street 93 (providing bus connection to Nanyang Neighbourhood Centre from the blk986-990 estate) 
      5. Jurong West Street 92 
      6. Jurong West Street 91 
      7. Pioneer Road North 
      8. Jurong West Avenue 5 
      9. Jurong West Street 81 (providing bus connection to the Nanyang Neighbourhood Centre from the Street 81 section of Nanyang Constituency, which is currently the only one without a bus link to the Nanyang Neighbourhood Centre.) 
      10. Jurong West Street 82 
      11.  Jurong West Avenue 5 
      12. Jurong West Avenue 3 
      13. Jurong West Street 22 
      14. Jurong West Street 23 (shortest option to go through Wenya yet still serve it sufficiently well) 
      15. Corporation Road (Providing bus connection to Taman Jurong from Wenya and Yunnan [Nanyang and Gek Poh]) 
      16. Jalan Tukang (avoiding the jam at the section of Corporation Road from here onwards to the expressway) 
      17. Tukang Innovation Grove 
      18. Tukang Innovation 
      19. Drive Jalan Ahmad Ibrahim (new industrial area. So might as well serve this industrial area and loop here, while also to avoid jam) 
      20. Corporation Road (going in the opposite direction as the evening jam along that section along Corporation Road) 
      21. Jurong West Avenue 2 
      22. Jurong West Street 23 
      23. Jurong West Street 22 
      24. Jurong West Avenue 3 
      25. Jurong West Avenue 5 
      26. Jurong West Street 82 
      27. Jurong West Street 81 
      28. Jurong West Avenue 5 
      29. Pioneer Road North 
      30. Jurong West Street 91 
      31. Jurong West Street 92 
      32. Jurong West Street 93 
      33. Upper Jurong Road 
      34. Benoi Road 
      35. Joo Koon Bus Interchange 

      Total distance = 24.4km  

      I’m not sure if 24.4km is too long for a Trunk route. Meanwhile, bus route 99 is 25.7km long and bus route 98 is 26.4km long. icon_confused.gif

      Nonetheless, although it is a long route, it does provide many bus connections that are currently not available, providing bus connections to 3 Industrial estates, Neighbourhood centres and many schools where there are currently no bus connection to them from various parts of Jurong West, etcetera. In addition, it would also complement 99 and 185 to a small extent. Generally, it would improve the inter-subzone connectivity within the Jurong West Planning Area. icon_cool.gif

      This route I suggest may not be the perfect route yet but I believe if we go along this line, we should be able to formulate a bus route that is the perfect version of this suggested route. icon_smile.gif

      Edited by Pervertedboy 14 Dec `13, 2:28PM
  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,373 posts since May '12
    • Originally posted by Pervertedboy:

      Currently, there is 99 providing direct bus connection from Yunnan (Nanyang and Gek Poh) to the Bon Lay and Hong Kah subzones and 185 to the Wenya and Hong Kah Sub-zones of Jurong West. From the Hong Kah area, there is 99 to Boon Lay and the Extension area and 185 to Wenya and Yunnan (Nanyang and Gek Poh) – Yunnan (Nanyang and Gek Poh), Boon Lay and Hong Kah are well inter-connected by direct bus.

      Wenya has weak direct bus connection to Boon Lay subzone: there are bus routes to Boon Lay but only to the Western end of Boon Lay. There is totally no direct bus connection to Taman Jurong from Yunnan (Nanyang and Gek Poh) and Wenya. Whereas for the bus connection to the Gek Poh and Jurong Point areas, 181 has already been proposed to be re-routed to loop around Jurong West Avenue 3, Jurong West Street 22, Jurong West Street 23, Jurong West Avenue 2, Wenya Avenue, Wenya Drive and Jalan Bahar, when the Wenya Industrial Estate is developed.

      As such, I would propose a new bus route primarily providing connections from Wenya to Taman Jurong and from Yunnan (Nanyang and Gek Poh) to Taman Jurong.

      This bus route to Taman Jurong can also be extended to the upcomg Tukang industrial area after going through Taman Jurong. 

      1. Joo Koon Bus Interchange (providing direct bus connection to the Joo Koon Industrial area from the Jurong West Extension area)
      2. Benoi Road 
      3. Upper Jurong Road 
      4. Jurong West Street 93 (providing bus connection to Nanyang Neighbourhood Centre from the blk986-990 estate) 
      5. Jurong West Street 92 
      6. Jurong West Street 91 
      7. Pioneer Road North 
      8. Jurong West Avenue 5 
      9. Jurong West Street 81 (providing bus connection to the Nanyang Neighbourhood Centre from the Street 81 section of Nanyang Constituency, which is currently the only one without a bus link to the Nanyang Neighbourhood Centre.) 
      10. Jurong West Street 82 
      11.  Jurong West Avenue 5 
      12. Jurong West Avenue 3 
      13. Jurong West Street 22 
      14. Jurong West Street 23 (shortest option to go through Wenya yet still serve it sufficiently well) 
      15. Corporation Road (Providing bus connection to Taman Jurong from Wenya and Yunnan [Nanyang and Gek Poh]) 
      16. Jalan Tukang (avoiding the jam at the section of Corporation Road from here onwards to the expressway) 
      17. Tukang Innovation Grove 
      18. Tukang Innovation 
      19. Drive Jalan Ahmad Ibrahim (new industrial area. So might as well serve this industrial area and loop here, while also to avoid jam) 
      20. Corporation Road (going in the opposite direction as the evening jam along that section along Corporation Road) 
      21. Jurong West Avenue 2 
      22. Jurong West Street 23 
      23. Jurong West Street 22 
      24. Jurong West Avenue 3 
      25. Jurong West Avenue 5 
      26. Jurong West Street 82 
      27. Jurong West Street 81 
      28. Jurong West Avenue 5 
      29. Pioneer Road North 
      30. Jurong West Street 91 
      31. Jurong West Street 92 
      32. Jurong West Street 93 
      33. Upper Jurong Road 
      34. Benoi Road 
      35. Joo Koon Bus Interchange 

      Total distance = 24.4km  

      I’m not sure if 24.4km is too long for a Trunk route. Meanwhile, bus route 99 is 25.7km long and bus route 98 is 26.4km long. icon_confused.gif

      Nonetheless, although it is a long route, it does provide many bus connections that are currently not available, providing bus connections to 3 Industrial estates, Neighbourhood centres and many schools where there are currently no bus connection to them from various parts of Jurong West, etcetera. In addition, it would also complement 99 and 185 to a small extent. Generally, it would improve the inter-subzone connectivity within the Jurong West Planning Area. icon_cool.gif

      This route I suggest may not be the perfect route yet but I believe if we go along this line, we should be able to formulate a bus route that is the perfect version of this suggested route. icon_smile.gif

      I like the extension of 181 to Wenya, but it should come into effect once Wenya is developed. 

  • SBS9067A's Avatar
    371 posts since Dec '09
    • Service 248 [SLBP, non-BSEP service]

       

      Boon Lay Interchange

      Jalan Boon Lay

      Chin Bee Drive

      Corporation Road

      Kang Ching Road

      Yuan Ching Road

      Taman Jurong Terminal

      Corporation Road

      Yung Ho Road

      Yuan Ching Road

      Kang Ching Road

      Corporation Road

      Chin Bee Drive

      Jalan Boon Lay

      Boon Lay Interchange

       

      I know, pretty pointless and weird service, but there's a whole stretch of road along Chin Bee Drive not served by buses that's not too long.

  • Pervertedboy's Avatar
    329 posts since Nov '13
    • Originally posted by SBS9067A:

      Service 248 [SLBP, non-BSEP service]

      Boon Lay Interchange

      Jalan Boon Lay

      Chin Bee Drive

      Corporation Road

      Kang Ching Road

      Yuan Ching Road

      Taman Jurong Terminal

      Corporation Road

      Yung Ho Road

      Yuan Ching Road

      Kang Ching Road

      Corporation Road

      Chin Bee Drive

      Jalan Boon Lay

      Boon Lay Interchange

      I know, pretty pointless and weird service, but there's a whole stretch of road along Chin Bee Drive not served by buses that's not too long.

      Actually the factories don’t need to be inter-connected with one another via Public bus, right? Even if want to collaborate, have partnership, share resources, joint project, etcetera. , I’m sure they have their own private vehicle to go to each other’s factory. I believe the Public buses’ role in Industrial areas is (solely) to ferry people to their workplace from nearby bus interchange(s) and if possible, from their homes. Otherwise, the other role is to ferry people to the amenities in the Industrial area, such as food court, retail outlets, etc.

      Taking reference from the bus stop at Pioneer MRT Station, which can only accommodate 1 more bus service, it can be concluded that a normal bus stop is designed to accommodate up to 5 bus services. Including 98M, there are already 5 bus services running along Corporation Drive – full already. Meanwhile, Corporation Road and Yuan Ching Road have only 1 bus service running on the majority of them.

      Maybe an alternative would be to re-route bus route 246 to go further into Chin Bee Drive, and ply along Third Chin Bee Road and Chin Bee Avenue, and then return to its original route at Quality Road. This would skip that 1 pair of bus stop at Quality Road but there is bus route 79 to make up the loss for residents at South Taman Jurong.

      Actually, regarding Taman Jurong, I ever had a thought that perhaps bus route 240 should be split up as it might be a bit too long (15.4km: even longer than bus routes 243G and 243W combined) and does not really serve as a feeder service for Residents of Taman Jurong. There isn’t really a feeder bus service to Taman Jurong from Boon Lay Bus Interchange. The shortest/fastest bus connection to Boon Lay Bus Interchange available at Taman Jurong would perhaps be service 30, 154 and 178 – all of which use Boon Lay Way to go to Boon Lay Bus Interchange.

      Incorporating a bit of your suggestion, I would propose a new Feeder bus route to Taman Jurong from Boon Lay Bus Interchange.

      1. Boon Lay Bus Interchange (using the End-on berths) 
      2. Jurong West Central 3 
      3. Jurong West Central 2 (shorter route to Boon Lay Way, faster journey home.)
      4. Boon Lay Way 
      5. Jalan Boon Lay 
      6. Chin Bee Drive 
      7. Corporation Drive 
      8. Hu Ching Road 
      9. Yuan Ching Road 
      10. Yung Ho Road 
      11. Corporation Drive 
      12. Chin Bee Drive 
      13. Jalan Boon Lay 
      14. Boon Lay Way 
      15. Jurong West Central 2 
      16. Jurong West Central 3 
      17. Boon Lay Bus Interchange 

      Total distance: 7.88km (7.9km) (1km shorter than Jurong East Feeder service 334[8.9km].)

      Meanwhile, bus route 240 can be shortened and re-routed to serve only the Boon Lay sub-zone.

      1. Boon Lay Bus Interchange 
      2. Jurong West Central 3 
      3. Jurong West Street 64 
      4. Jurong West Central 1 
      5. Boon Lay Avenue 
      6.  Boon Lay Place 
      7. Boon Lay Drive 
      8. Boon Lay Avenue 
      9. Jurong West Central 1 
      10. Jurong West Street 64 
      11. Jurong West Central 3 
      12. Boon Lay Bus Interchange 

      Total Distance: 4.06km

      Since bus route 246 is almost identical to bus route 240, bus route 246 can easily be an alternative bus route to make up the loss of bus connection to/from Boon Lay subzone if bus route 240 is shortened and no longer serving Taman Jurong, by simply re-routing 246 to ply Kang Ching Road, instead of Tah Ching Road (This reminds me of the previous route of service 242, which duplicates most of service 99 in Jurong West Extension).

      Edited by Pervertedboy 14 Dec `13, 10:09PM
  • charlize's Avatar
    31,782 posts since Mar '05
  • SBS5011L's Avatar
    101 posts since Oct '11
    • Sv 53M Pasir Ris INT - Changi Airport PTB 3 (Loop)

      Frequency : 10-15mins 

      PASIR RIS INT

      PASIR RIS DR 1

      LOYANG AVE

      PIE

      AIRPORT BOULEVARD

      CHANGI AIRPORT PTB 3

      CHANGI AIRPORT PTB 1 

      CHANGI AIRPORT PTB 2

      AIRPORT BOULEVARD

      PIE

      LOYANG AVE

      PASIR RIS DR 1

      PASIR RIS INT

    • Sv 164 Woodlands - Serangoon

      Woodlands INT

      Woodlands Ave 2

      SLE

      CTE

      JALAN TOA PAYOH

      TOA PAYOH CENTRAL

      BRADDELL ROAD

      UPPER SERANGOON ROAD

      SERANGOON INT

       

      This route relieves NSL, NEL, 153 and 966's load greatly.

      Edited by SBS5011L 17 Dec `13, 8:58PM
  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,373 posts since May '12
    • 113

      Serangoon Interchange

      Upper Serangoon Road (sv 45 stop)

      Upper Paya Lebar Road

      Lor Ah Soo

      Hougang Ave 1

      Tampines Road

      Upper Serangoon Road (Kovan MRT)

      Hougang St 21

      Hougang Ave 1

      Lor Ah Soo

      Upper Paya Lebar Road

      Upper Serangoon Road

      Serangoon Interchange

      This service can have 5 buses - 3 DDs, 2 KUBs

      With this there is no need for 45A or 53A, 53B

  • SBS5011L's Avatar
    101 posts since Oct '11
    • Sv 117

      Punggol - Marina Centre Ter

      Punggol INT

      Punggol Road

      Sengkang East Road

      Buangkok Green

      Ang Mo Kio Ave 5

      CTE

      Havelock Road

      Upper Pickering Street

      Pickering Street 

      Church Street

      Cecil Street

      Marina Boulevard

      Marina Ctr Ter

       

    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      113

      Serangoon Interchange

      Upper Serangoon Road (sv 45 stop)

      Upper Paya Lebar Road

      Lor Ah Soo

      Hougang Ave 1

      Tampines Road

      Upper Serangoon Road (Kovan MRT)

      Hougang St 21

      Hougang Ave 1

      Lor Ah Soo

      Upper Paya Lebar Road

      Upper Serangoon Road

      Serangoon Interchange

      This service can have 5 buses - 3 DDs, 2 KUBs

      With this there is no need for 45A or 53A, 53B

      So at hougang street 21 become one sided service? 

  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,373 posts since May '12
    • Originally posted by SBS5011L:

      So at hougang street 21 become one sided service? 

      Those from Lor Ah Soo / HG Ave 1 who want to go to HG St 21 to shop, can still go with 113. To Kovan MRT, will have 112 both sides + additional link to Serangoon MRT if to go CCL.

    • Originally posted by SBS5011L:

      Sv 117

      Punggol - Marina Centre Ter

      Punggol INT

      Punggol Road

      Sengkang East Road

      Buangkok Green

      Ang Mo Kio Ave 5

      CTE

      Havelock Road

      Upper Pickering Street

      Pickering Street 

      Church Street

      Cecil Street

      Marina Boulevard

      Marina Ctr Ter

       


      No need for full day la... Max can introduce 513E style...

  • SBS5011L's Avatar
    101 posts since Oct '11
    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      Those from Lor Ah Soo / HG Ave 1 who want to go to HG St 21 to shop, can still go with 113. To Kovan MRT, will have 112 both sides + additional link to Serangoon MRT if to go CCL.

      Then like this is like another Sv 60. lol

  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,373 posts since May '12
    • Originally posted by SBS5011L:

      Sv 53M Pasir Ris INT - Changi Airport PTB 3 (Loop)

      Frequency : 10-15mins 

      PASIR RIS INT

      PASIR RIS DR 1

      LOYANG AVE

      PIE

      AIRPORT BOULEVARD

      CHANGI AIRPORT PTB 3

      CHANGI AIRPORT PTB 1 

      CHANGI AIRPORT PTB 2

      AIRPORT BOULEVARD

      PIE

      LOYANG AVE

      PASIR RIS DR 1

      PASIR RIS INT

      I like - give the buses from 53A/53B to 53M with launch of 113 from Serangoon to Kovan via Lor Ah Soo.

    • Originally posted by SBS5011L:

      Then like this is like another Sv 60. lol

      So what's wrong with sv 60 - hugely successful route, no!?

  • SBS5011L's Avatar
    101 posts since Oct '11
    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      I like - give the buses from 53A/53B to 53M with launch of 113 from Serangoon to Kovan via Lor Ah Soo.

      I would say Sv 113's hougang demand mostly students and ppl who reside along hg ave 8 or ave 10. AM peak quite popular, i once saw fully seated 113 with standees from HG ave 8 to kovan MRT.

      Also,There was 1 time i saw a long queue for Sv 113 at HCI and they sat all the way to lorong ah soo. 

      There are several schools in hougang, it would take so long to walk from hougang MRT to CHIJ primary/Punggol Pri sch.

       

      Edited by SBS5011L 17 Dec `13, 9:11PM
  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,373 posts since May '12
    • Originally posted by SBS5011L:

      I would say Sv 113's hougang demand mostly students and ppl who reside along hg ave 8 or ave 10.

      There was 1 time i saw a long queue for Sv 113 at HCI.

      There are several schools in hougang, it would take so long to walk from hougang MRT to CHIJ primary

      Okay. Truce. We are back to the same old discussion.

    • Originally posted by SBS5011L:

      I would say Sv 113's hougang demand mostly students and ppl who reside along hg ave 8 or ave 10. AM peak quite popular, i once saw fully seated 113 with standees from HG ave 8 to kovan MRT.

      There was 1 time i saw a long queue for Sv 113 at HCI.

      There are several schools in hougang, it would take so long to walk from hougang MRT to CHIJ primary/Punggol Pri sch.

       


      You have to be joking. Maybe sv 74 and 147 were on strike that day.

  • SBS5011L's Avatar
    101 posts since Oct '11
    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      So what's wrong with sv 60 - hugely successful route, no!?

      Yup, because Sv 60 serves bedok reservoir road, with bus stops 200-300m apart from each other. Btw, any progress on Sv 228's dds? do you happen to know? do they get full ?

    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      Okay. Truce. We are back to the same old discussion.

      Hougang street 11 shud have another bus stop. The winding Curve to upper paya lebar is too long. Takes 10-15mins just to walk out 1 bus stop to upper paya lebar 

      Edited by SBS5011L 17 Dec `13, 9:14PM
  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,373 posts since May '12
    • Originally posted by SBS5011L:

      Yup, because Sv 60 serves bedok reservoir road, with bus stops 200-300m apart from each other. Btw, any progress on Sv 228's dds? do you happen to know? do they get full ?


      You know the population there around Bedok Reservoir Rd. Need those stops for convenience.

    • Originally posted by SBS5011L:

      Yup, because Sv 60 serves bedok reservoir road, with bus stops 200-300m apart from each other. Btw, any progress on Sv 228's dds? do you happen to know? do they get full ?

      Regarding 228, you seem to be misinformed. There are no DDs. Occassional cameos, that also have not been spotted recently.

  • SBS5011L's Avatar
    101 posts since Oct '11
    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      Regarding 228, you seem to be misinformed. There are no DDs. Occassional cameos, that also have not been spotted recently.

      Sv 228 had a DD debut long ago. DD trial failed? SGwiki dosent state it has a DD perm

  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,373 posts since May '12
    • Originally posted by SBS5011L:

      Sv 228 had a DD debut long ago. DD trial failed? SGwiki dosent state it has a DD perm


      Because it never had DD perm. Only had cameo. So it is not like trial failed - no reason for trial to fail. The loading does not justify DDs. If you live around Bedok Reservoir Road (where sv 60 plies), you will obviously take sv 60 to Bedok MRT. From the upper leg of Bedok Reservoir Road, you have also option of taking sv 66 which has an equally good frequency. So there is no need.

    • 228 during peak may take 60-65 pax but that is the max - won't cross that.

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