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  • carbikebus's Avatar
    19,312 posts since Nov '03
    • SMRT really pampered to the max ah?LTA provide them the B2/B3 A95,Three door A22,B9TL,Citaro,SG A22...Wah lao eh..GAS is like cheapskate using only two models..Although its SBST fleet but please lar sponsored some E500 or the B3 A95😾

  • vicamour's Avatar
    1,475 posts since Jan '09
  • A22 fan's Avatar
    20 posts since Jul '17
    • Deploying MAN A95 in feeder services is a new sight. Smrt never ever deploy e500s in feeders but TTS has done that by deploying them to feeder services 285 and 334.

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    19,312 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by A22 fan:

      Deploying MAN A95 in feeder services is a new sight. Smrt never ever deploy e500s in feeders but TTS has done that by deploying them to feeder services 285 and 334.

      285 & 334 distance is way longer than 806.Beside TTS dont have any 12m A95.

  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,252 posts since May '12
    • Originally posted by A22 fan:

      Deploying MAN A95 in feeder services is a new sight. Smrt never ever deploy e500s in feeders but TTS has done that by deploying them to feeder services 285 and 334.

      285 and 334 already had DDs during SBS time. 

  • gekpohboy's Avatar
    1,764 posts since Mar '16
    • It would be nice if SBS Transit could have some MAN double decker buses also. Why is it that SMRT always get the best things nowadays?

  • iveco's Avatar
    16,913 posts since Mar '04
    • Originally posted by gekpohboy:

      It would be nice if SBS Transit could have some MAN double decker buses also. Why is it that SMRT always get the best things nowadays?

      We might see these in Seletar contract area if we are lucky.

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    19,312 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by gekpohboy:

      It would be nice if SBS Transit could have some MAN double decker buses also. Why is it that SMRT always get the best things nowadays?

      Depending if they want it or not,Unless LTA force them to take sincs its under the package.If they can take the DD,They also can kapo the A22 but again SBST wont take the SMB plate ones.

  • vicamour's Avatar
    1,475 posts since Jan '09
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      Depending if they want it or not,Unless LTA force them to take sincs its under the package.If they can take the DD,They also can kapo the A22 but again SBST wont take the SMB plate ones.

      I doubt SBST has much choice, especially when all the buses under its ownership scrapped in future. The bus fleet in future is all under LTA. Either they take it or leave it. 

  • A22 fan's Avatar
    20 posts since Jul '17
    • I still have a feeling that SBST will still stick to B9TL and Citaro only even by the time the Seletar package contract starts next year. They have poor experience of maintaining models of man buses and dennis buses. They will try to find every way to avoid taking other than merz n volvos as possible since they won this contract with the lowest bid.

  • iveco's Avatar
    16,913 posts since Mar '04
    • Originally posted by A22 fan:

      I still have a feeling that SBST will still stick to B9TL and Citaro only even by the time the Seletar package contract starts next year. They have poor experience of maintaining models of man buses and dennis buses. They will try to find every way to avoid taking other than merz n volvos as possible since they won this contract with the lowest bid.

      They won by low-balling so all the more they should have as little say as possible in the allocation of vehicles for their fleet.

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    19,312 posts since Nov '03
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    962 posts since Mar '16
  • carbikebus's Avatar
    19,312 posts since Nov '03
    • But definately will he slugging for the second and third gear..LTA already restricted the 1st/2nd gear for ZF6 speed,SBST would continue the 3rd gear

  • iveco's Avatar
    16,913 posts since Mar '04
    • Originally posted by SMB1368T:

      I can clearly imagine MANs on SBST (Seletar). Aint too bad tbh tho

      Provided LTA stipulated that the BSEP A22s on YIS routes under Seletar contract must follow their perm routes.

  • AlexT's Avatar
    1 post since Mar '04
  • vicamour's Avatar
    1,475 posts since Jan '09
    • Originally posted by A22 fan:

      I still have a feeling that SBST will still stick to B9TL and Citaro only even by the time the Seletar package contract starts next year. They have poor experience of maintaining models of man buses and dennis buses. They will try to find every way to avoid taking other than merz n volvos as possible since they won this contract with the lowest bid.

      The package is awarded by LTA to SBST to run the services, and use the leased LTA owned buses to run them. They cannot anyhow just swap their own fleet into the package to use. And SBST has its other services to run. They won't have enough buses if they take away and swap into the package. 

      Remember everything now is owned by LTA. The bus operators are just service providers and they have not much decision making on the fleet and packages. 

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    19,312 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by vicamour:

      The package is awarded by LTA to SBST to run the services, and use the leased LTA owned buses to run them. They cannot anyhow just swap their own fleet into the package to use. And SBST has its other services to run. They won't have enough buses if they take away and swap into the package. 

      Remember everything now is owned by LTA. The bus operators are just service providers and they have not much decision making on the fleet and packages. 

      If you look at the deployment pattern of Amdep for their Yishun svc,Many SG Citaro always perm on some Yis Feeders,851,852 & 860.But i do have a feeling that SBST might just take the SG Citaro,SG A22 & A95 and not Enviro500.

      Edited by carbikebus 20 Jul `17, 4:32AM
  • gekpohboy's Avatar
    1,764 posts since Mar '16
    • Essentially, the government is guided by the principles of β€œCost effectiveness” and β€œEconomies of scale”. You can read about them at the library.

      Edited by gekpohboy 20 Jul `17, 9:21AM
  • carbikebus's Avatar
    19,312 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by gekpohboy:

      Essentially, the government is guided by the principles of β€œCost effectiveness” and β€œEconomies of scale”. You can read about them at the library.

      So,If every package SBST bid the lowest than others,LTA automatic award them the contracts ah?Where is the competition?If both TTS/GAS got more than 1 package,Im sure they too will try to bid low.

  • kawan baik's Avatar
    13 posts since Jul '17
    • Originally posted by iveco:

      They won by low-balling so all the more they should have as little say as possible in the allocation of vehicles for their fleet.

      Go-Ahead Singapore also "won by low-balling" when they participated in the Loyang bus tender previously, and they requested for a uniform fleet of only one single-decker bus model and one double-decker bus model. I would expect SBS Transit Limited to also have only two bus models: one single-decker and one double-decker, but the bus models may not necessarily be Volvo B9TL or Mercedes Citaro. Probably the bus models that are commonly used in the Seletar package bus routes, that are operated by the incumbent operators today.

      Edited by kawan baik 20 Jul `17, 11:35AM
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      So,If every package SBST bid the lowest than others,LTA automatic award them the contracts ah?Where is the competition?If both TTS/GAS got more than 1 package,Im sure they too will try to bid low.

      It’s not about the price. The evaluation of the bids is "based on the same set of criteria through a two-envelope process which looked at quality and price factors, with greater weightage given to the quality proposals."

      "The price envelopes are only opened after the quality evaluation is completed."

      Edited by kawan baik 20 Jul `17, 11:53AM
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      But definately will he slugging for the second and third gear..LTA already restricted the 1st/2nd gear for ZF6 speed,SBST would continue the 3rd gear

      Just wondering, where can I find information about the engine on MAN double-decker buses? Is there a website that I can read, to learn about it?

      Edited by kawan baik 20 Jul `17, 12:08PM
    • Originally posted by vicamour:

      I doubt SBST has much choice, especially when all the buses under its ownership scrapped in future. The bus fleet in future is all under LTA. Either they take it or leave it. 

      Under the Bus Contracting Model, "the Government owns the bus assets and pays the operators a fee to run the services."

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    21 posts since Jun '17
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