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  • Waynechew1003's Avatar
    155 posts since Apr '17
    • Originally posted by TPS Timothy Mok:

      Integration of 27 & 127:

      Changi Airport Terminal 1/2/3 > PIE > TPE > Tampines Ave 7 > Tampines Central 3 > Tampines Central 1 > Tampines Concourse > Tampines Ave 7 > Tampines Ave 10 > Tampines Industrial Avenue 5 > Tampines Road > Tampines Link and back.

      44:

      Existing 27 route > then Changi Airport Terminal 4, allow double decker.

      Gonna be a white elephant service for 27 after integration. Load at most within tampines town or maybe till airport. Tampines industrial ave 5 and tampines road iload is at most 5. So no use

      It will be good if there is a service then runs parallel with 27 then go into T4. Can start from compassvale as thats the most heavy load (Sengkang - tampines)

  • SBS BUSES LOVER's Avatar
    1,772 posts since Dec '05
    • Originally posted by lemon1974:

      last year someone claim have inside info about 500/700/171 and now all nothing?

      someone even say his friends at HGDEP already learn the route for 500 last year...

      hahaha 

  • 201911's Avatar
    633 posts since Jun '07
    • I think 700 may still get chopped since it doesn't stop outside Junction 10. 75 & 184 stopping there probably means their route to the temp bus park/ future Gali Batu ter is permanent.

      LTA could be holding it off since 700 is still quite popular and I guess lobbying by MPs and residents.

  • CZT's Avatar
    497 posts since Jun '16
    • Originally posted by 201911:

      I think 700 may still get chopped since it doesn't stop outside Junction 10. 75 & 184 stopping there probably means their route to the temp bus park/ future Gali Batu ter is permanent.

      LTA could be holding it off since 700 is still quite popular and I guess lobbying by MPs and residents.

      Well any hypothetical scenario if 700 is chopped? residents seek help frm MP to reinstate that? personally i find it quite hard to determine

  • AJQZC's Avatar
    1,021 posts since Sep '08
    • Originally posted by CZT:

      Well any hypothetical scenario if 700 is chopped? residents seek help frm MP to reinstate that? personally i find it quite hard to determine

      That's why we should deal with 171 first.

  • array88's Avatar
    1,402 posts since May '14
    • Originally posted by AJQZC:

      That's why we should deal with 171 first.

      There is still going to be complaints if 171's link from Upp Bt Timah to Yishun and inner parts of Bukit Panjang is not compensated. Thus I think the best solution is to merge with 41.

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,326 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by array88:

      There is still going to be complaints if 171's link from Upp Bt Timah to Yishun and inner parts of Bukit Panjang is not compensated. Thus I think the best solution is to merge with 41.

      One with SMRT one with TTS,How to merge?

  • AJQZC's Avatar
    1,021 posts since Sep '08
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      One with SMRT one with TTS,How to merge?

      Giving 171/41 to SMRT and 944 to TT can be a long-term solution.

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,326 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by AJQZC:

      Giving 171/41 to SMRT and 944 to TT can be a long-term solution.

      So SMRT operate 41 from Jurong East ah?

  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,441 posts since May '12
    • Originally posted by array88:

      There is still going to be complaints if 171's link from Upp Bt Timah to Yishun and inner parts of Bukit Panjang is not compensated. Thus I think the best solution is to merge with 41.

      There is 963. The few stops along Upper Bukit Timah where solely 171 connects anyway have very low loading.

      171 will get cut but it will be part of a larger DTL rationalisation program mid next year. 

    • Originally posted by CZT:

      Well any hypothetical scenario if 700 is chopped? residents seek help frm MP to reinstate that? personally i find it quite hard to determine

      I don't think 700 should be chopped. Loading has increased again and even DDs are doing well on this service. 

  • CZT's Avatar
    497 posts since Jun '16
    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      I don't think 700 should be chopped. Loading has increased again and even DDs are doing well on this service. 

      True. And there are speculations that 171 will be chopped, but also quite hard to say, maybe chopped till somewhere along bukit timah road? Coz there are ppl in yishun who uses it connect to bukit timah

  • gekpohboy's Avatar
    2,180 posts since Mar '16
    • By the fact that 700 is using double decker buses, it already proves that the route is popular and won't be removed or whatsoever.

      Edited by gekpohboy 09 Sep `17, 8:45AM
    • 171 can be axed though. Considering it is duplicating most of Downtown Line stage 2, and 857 at Yishun is also providing the connection to the city centre, the only unique section of the route is between Bukit Panjang and Yishun.

      Edited by gekpohboy 09 Sep `17, 8:53AM
    • 171 can be shortened to Bukit Panjang and absorb 973, to become a loop service that originates from Yishun and loops at Hillview.

      Edited by gekpohboy 09 Sep `17, 8:53AM
  • AJQZC's Avatar
    1,021 posts since Sep '08
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      So SMRT operate 41 from Jurong East ah?

      Well there's no problems with services terminating at rival operators' interchanges. 110, 117 and 180 for example. Besides, Yishun will still have lots of other SMRT services after Seletar handover. A Yishun -- Jurong East route can be one of them.

      Why so concerned?

      Edited by AJQZC 09 Sep `17, 9:00PM
    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      There is 963. The few stops along Upper Bukit Timah where solely 171 connects anyway have very low loading.

      171 will get cut but it will be part of a larger DTL rationalisation program mid next year. 

      Still have to wait then. Hopefully it gets done by that time ...

  • iveco's Avatar
    17,091 posts since Mar '04
    • Originally posted by array88:

      There is still going to be complaints if 171's link from Upp Bt Timah to Yishun and inner parts of Bukit Panjang is not compensated. Thus I think the best solution is to merge with 41.

      Easier to merge with 944 since both under same contractor.

  • SMB145B's Avatar
    2,252 posts since Dec '12
    • Originally posted by iveco:

      Easier to merge with 944 since both under same contractor.

      don't touch any feeders.

  • iveco's Avatar
    17,091 posts since Mar '04
    • Originally posted by SMB145B:

      don't touch any feeders.

      63 and 382 merged without issues in 2002, even though both routes had no common sectors.

      Edited by iveco 09 Sep `17, 11:45PM
  • SMB145B's Avatar
    2,252 posts since Dec '12
    • Originally posted by iveco:

      63 and 382 merged without issues in 2002, even though both routes had no common sectors.

      not the same anymore. 

      the old 382 was Eunos to Kg Ubi and 63 loops at Circuit Rd. later intro 63M plying the old 382 + Circuit Rd.

       

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,326 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by AJQZC:

      Well there's no problems with services terminating at rival operators' interchanges. 110, 117 and 180 for example. Besides, Yishun will still have lots of other SMRT services after Seletar handover. A Yishun -- Jurong East route can be one of them.

      Why so concerned?

      66 would be better option..

  • AJQZC's Avatar
    1,021 posts since Sep '08
    • (Source: goo.gl/hZCCoz )

      Two new public bus services to complement DTL3 opening

           Commuters travelling along Downtown Line 3 (DTL3) can look forward to greater convenience and enhanced public transport connectivity with the introduction of two new bus services along the corridor. Services 137 and 298 are the 78th and 79th bus services introduced under the Bus Service Enhancement Programme (BSEP)[1], and will start operation from Saturday, 21 October 2017 in tandem with the opening of DTL3.

      2     At the same time, there will be a series of amendments to other bus routes, to further improve accessibility of the new DTL3 stations.

      (Table omitted due to syntax problems)

       

      DTL3 rationalisation, phase 1

      (From Saturday, 21 October 2017)

      ======

      New services:

      • - Service 137: Between Sims Place & Upper East Coast via Aljunied, Paya Lebar, Ubi Ave 1/3, Kaki Bukit Ave 2/3/6, Bedok North MRT, Bedok North St 3, Ave 2, Bedok MRT, Bedok South Rd, Ave 1, UEC Rd.
      • - Serving DT26/CC10 MacPherson, DT27 Ubi, DT29 Bedok North, EW9 Aljunied, EW8/CC9 Paya Lebar, EW5 Bedok.

      • - Service 298: Between Tampines Concourse & Tampines St 86 (Loop) via Ave 4, St 82, Ave 3/8/5/10. Serving DT32/EW2 Tampines.

      DT35 Expo:

      • - Service 20 amended to serve Somapah Rd & Expo MRT, skipping one pair of stops on Changi South Ave 1
      • - Service 118 amended to serve Expo MRT, skipping Changi South Ave 2

      DT33 Tampines East:

      • - Services 18 extended to serve Tampines St 34/33/32 for improved MRT connections
      • - Service 293 east extended to loop at Tampines East MRT, doing Tampines Ave 9 & St 45 in both directions, skipping Tampines St 43
      • - Services 3, 8, 9, 12, 17, 34, 38, 39, 59, 518 stopping at a new bus stop along Tampines Ave 2

      DT29 Bedok North:

      • - Services 23, 60, 87, 518 stopping at a new bus stop along Bedok North Rd

       

      Edited by AJQZC 30 Sep `17, 1:46PM
  • CZT's Avatar
    497 posts since Jun '16
    • Originally posted by AJQZC:

      2     At the same time, there will be a series of amendments to other bus routes, to further improve accessibility of the new DTL3 stations.

      Great to hear all the great news. Cheers to better assessibility soon!

      With that being said, BSEP routes are expected to be 80 right, now it's in the 78th and 79th, so means the projected route 44 is the final one? Also the quoted statement on top is really interesting. So far the news have all been adding routes and minor changes, those rumoured slash and cuts are yet to be heard of, dk if it will be soon in coming weeks or a couple of months, or will it take more than a quater to see these changes?

  • Path Light's Avatar
    1,801 posts since Feb '15
    • Originally posted by SMB145B:

      DTL3 will see minimal rationalsation. Much like DTL2 case. Probably a bus transfer service between Rochor and Sungei Road stations. Tapping out on either Rochor or Jalan Besar stations and in at the other station will not incur extra charges.

      Rochor MRT Station and Jalan Besar MRT Station are quite close to each other

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