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  • autumncs's Avatar
    423 posts since Oct '06
    • 170 can be amended to serve CCK Rd, CCK Way, CCK Ave 4, CCK Dr (express) and KJE instead of Woodlands Rd between Junction 10 and KJE.

      Then 66 can be amended to serve 67's route from Serangoon Rd to Tampines. (65 and DTL3 can cover Serangoon Rd - Bedok Reservoir Rd and 228 can cover Bedok Reservoir Rd to Bedok Int.) 

      Then 67 can be withdrawn.

  • TPS Timothy Mok's Avatar
    1,159 posts since Aug '07
    • 170 could be diverted via Turf Club Avenue, BKE, PIE and Stevens Road.

      170A could be withdrawn.

  • 201911's Avatar
    633 posts since Jun '07
    • Originally posted by autumncs:

      170 can be amended to serve CCK Rd, CCK Way, CCK Ave 4, CCK Dr (express) and KJE instead of Woodlands Rd between Junction 10 and KJE.

      Then 66 can be amended to serve 67's route from Serangoon Rd to Tampines. (65 and DTL3 can cover Serangoon Rd - Bedok Reservoir Rd and 228 can cover Bedok Reservoir Rd to Bedok Int.) 

      Then 67 can be withdrawn.

      66 is already very long though. Anyway LTA would probably focus on DTL2 rationalisation first, likely 171 and maybe 700. 66 and 67 may be shortened or split, but some time later when DTL3 loading has stabilized.

  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,463 posts since May '12
    • DTL 2 Rationalisation (mostly services along Upper Bukit Timah, Bukit Timah corridor)

      67 - Tampines Interchange >> Newton Circus (loop)

      987 - CCK Interchange >> Queens Street Terminal

      171 - Yishun Interchange >> Bukit Panjang MRT (loop)

      178 - Woodlands Interchange >> Bukit Batok Interchange (49 & 66 compensate)

      258 - Boon Lay Interchange >> AYE (loop)

      170 - Bukit Panjang Interchange >> Larkin 

      960 - No change

      700 - No change (extra stop at Mile Ten Junction)

      961 - No change

      852 - Terminated

      174 - diverted via 852/178 road. 

      190 / 972 - No change

  • autumncs's Avatar
    423 posts since Oct '06
    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      DTL 2 Rationalisation (mostly services along Upper Bukit Timah, Bukit Timah corridor)

      67 - Tampines Interchange >> Newton Circus (loop)

      987 - CCK Interchange >> Queens Street Terminal

      171 - Yishun Interchange >> Bukit Panjang MRT (loop)

      178 - Woodlands Interchange >> Bukit Batok Interchange (49 & 66 compensate)

      258 - Boon Lay Interchange >> AYE (loop)

      170 - Bukit Panjang Interchange >> Larkin 

      960 - No change

      700 - No change (extra stop at Mile Ten Junction)

      961 - No change

      852 - Terminated

      174 - diverted via 852/178 road. 

      190 / 972 - No change

      I feel that among 190, 700, 960 and 972, at least one of these services will be rationalised. I don't think LTA is so generous to maintain all 4 services which are running parallel to one another and to DTL2.

  • wsy1234's Avatar
    1,616 posts since Aug '07
    • Originally posted by autumncs:

      I feel that among 190, 700, 960 and 972, at least one of these services will be rationalised. I don't think LTA is so generous to maintain all 4 services which are running parallel to one another and to DTL2.

      Given the problem the old MRT system are facing it is best not to touch any of the services at all 190,700,960,972. 

  • AJQZC's Avatar
    1,021 posts since Sep '08
    • Originally posted by wsy1234:

      Given the problem the old MRT system are facing it is best not to touch any of the services at all 190,700,960,972. 

      DTL2 isn't exactly old.

      Having many services in parallel is quite an overkill so it's justified to rationalise them to some extent. 

  • autumncs's Avatar
    423 posts since Oct '06
    • Originally posted by wsy1234:

      Given the problem the old MRT system are facing it is best not to touch any of the services at all 190,700,960,972. 

      The NEL is older but there are no services like 190/700/960/972 connecting Punggol/Sengkang/Hougang and downtown.

      The EWL is even older but there are no services like 190/700/960/972 connecting Jurong and downtown. (There is 502, but the portion between Jurong West and Toh Guan is painfully long and can take longer than the portion from Toh Guan to Orchard).

      The NSL is the oldest but there are no services like 190/700/960/972 connecting Sembawang/Yishun/AMK and downtown except 857.

      Bukit Panjang residents should realise that they are very lucky to have 190/700/960/972 + 966. Now that the DTL2 is operational, it is time to shift some duplicated resources to other regions of Singapore with poorer connectivity.

  • array88's Avatar
    1,421 posts since May '14
    • Originally posted by autumncs:

      The NEL is older but there are no services like 190/700/960/972 connecting Punggol/Sengkang/Hougang and downtown.

      The EWL is even older but there are no services like 190/700/960/972 connecting Jurong and downtown. (There is 502, but the portion between Jurong West and Toh Guan is painfully long and can take longer than the portion from Toh Guan to Orchard).

      The NSL is the oldest but there are no services like 190/700/960/972 connecting Sembawang/Yishun/AMK and downtown except 857.

      Bukit Panjang residents should realise that they are very lucky to have 190/700/960/972 + 966. Now that the DTL2 is operational, it is time to shift some duplicated resources to other regions of Singapore with poorer connectivity.

      NEL, EWL and NSL all have 6-carriage trains while DTL only has 3.

      Although it can be argued that DTL has lower overall ridership as compared to the old lines as it serves less estates.

      Edited by array88 09 Oct `17, 8:01AM
  • Path Light's Avatar
    1,831 posts since Feb '15
    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      DTL 2 Rationalisation (mostly services along Upper Bukit Timah, Bukit Timah corridor)

      67 - Tampines Interchange >> Newton Circus (loop)

      987 - CCK Interchange >> Queens Street Terminal

      171 - Yishun Interchange >> Bukit Panjang MRT (loop)

      178 - Woodlands Interchange >> Bukit Batok Interchange (49 & 66 compensate)

      258 - Boon Lay Interchange >> AYE (loop)

      170 - Bukit Panjang Interchange >> Larkin 

      960 - No change

      700 - No change (extra stop at Mile Ten Junction)

      961 - No change

      852 - Terminated

      174 - diverted via 852/178 road. 

      190 / 972 - No change

      Then Bukit Batok residents will lose 852 as they take 852 to Yishun, Ang Mo Kio

  • JKYY's Avatar
    106 posts since Oct '17
  • TIB1182J's Avatar
    27 posts since Aug '08
    • I'm thinking that 171 might start from Bt Panjang ITH and loop at Yishun instead. Its non-stop sector along Jelebu Road could be a precursor for its route amendment to BPITH via Petir Road. Having 171 loop at Yishun will also free up parking space at the future Yishun ITH to support more Yishun services since the town is still expanding.

  • array88's Avatar
    1,421 posts since May '14
    • Originally posted by TIB1182J:

      I'm thinking that 171 might start from Bt Panjang ITH and loop at Yishun instead. Its non-stop sector along Jelebu Road could be a precursor for its route amendment to BPITH via Petir Road. Having 171 loop at Yishun will also free up parking space at the future Yishun ITH to support more Yishun services since the town is still expanding.

      BPJ ITH is so small that it already cannot accommodate all BPJ bus park services... And yet you want 171 there?

  • Gus.chong's Avatar
    9,830 posts since Jun '10
    • Originally posted by array88:

      BPJ ITH is so small that it already cannot accommodate all BPJ bus park services... And yet you want 171 there?

      I may agree that the ITH cannot accommodate all services, but it seems to me that it can actually take one more service (even taking into account the fact that 979M is still in there)...I was particularly surprised as to why a total of 3 services did not go back to the interchange.

  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,463 posts since May '12
    • Originally posted by array88:

      BPJ ITH is so small that it already cannot accommodate all BPJ bus park services... And yet you want 171 there?

      If need be, 171 can terminate at BPJ temporary bus park. 

  • AJQZC's Avatar
    1,021 posts since Sep '08
    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      If need be, 171 can terminate at BPJ temporary bus park. 

      Then it would lose its direct link to BPJ MRT ... unless we wait for exit C to be ready.

  • SMB145B's Avatar
    2,257 posts since Dec '12
    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      If need be, 171 can terminate at BPJ temporary bus park. 

      (Route from Yishun)

      Bukit Panjang Road

      Upper Bukit Timah Road

      Petir Road

      Off service via

      Jelebu Road

      Bukit Panjang Ring Road

      Senja Road

      Senja Way

  • autumncs's Avatar
    423 posts since Oct '06
    • If 171 is shortened, it can simply make a loop around Bukit Panjang by turning left from Upp Bukit Timah Rd into Petir Rd. 

      Alternatively it can merge with 180.

  • AJQZC's Avatar
    1,021 posts since Sep '08
    • Originally posted by autumncs:

      If 171 is shortened, it can simply make a loop around Bukit Panjang by turning left from Upp Bukit Timah Rd into Petir Rd. 

      Alternatively it can merge with 180.

      CANNOT MERGE WITH 180 !!!

      The two services are simply incompatible in terms of fleet / demand / frequency.

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,424 posts since Nov '03
    • The new pair of bus stops along Ave 2 will sure create a chaos.

      The new Loyang bus stops(Towards Ave 7) already got cases near accidents,Vehicles reluctant to give way to buses keeping centre/right lane during peak hours.LTA love to built bus stops at bottleneck lanes/near turning areas/near shopping centre entrance/exits without thinking how selfish our motorists attitude is.

    • Originally posted by AJQZC:

      CANNOT MERGE WITH 180 !!!

      The two services are simply incompatible in terms of fleet / demand / frequency.

      180 got their demands la,Wont be merge dont worry,They only will amend/merge/withdrawal whichever svc dont have satisfactory loadings.

  • SMB1368T's Avatar
    1,179 posts since Mar '16
    • Out of topic: I was at Mattar Stn yesterday waiting to play some kind of doodling game. However, some of the others and I were already late as the booth was closing and we just wanted goodies, so the moment all the goodies were given out without us playing, we fought with one another over them and I ended up getting most of them, with some of them I threw them to the floor forcing others to collect themselves. It was like using our 'claws' to collect as much as we can πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

      I know yesterday I was really kiasu, but I feel like I 'needed' to be 1 for some reason

  • iveco's Avatar
    17,101 posts since Mar '04
  • SMB145B's Avatar
    2,257 posts since Dec '12
    • Originally posted by iveco:

      DTL3 first day of ops already kena breakdown. Sibei malu sia.

      So much for world class transport.

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,424 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by iveco:

      DTL3 first day of ops already kena breakdown. Sibei malu sia.

      That’s a sign of more future breakdowns la..Heard maintenance for MRT is all cut cost style.

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