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  • SMB1368T's Avatar
    1,134 posts since Mar '16
    • Aiya teething problems mah. Very normal then become ok already. We r not even a world-class transport anymore. Breakdown oso we ride the very same

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,292 posts since Nov '03
  • TPS Timothy Mok's Avatar
    1,145 posts since Aug '07
    • 961 really dying soon...... Anyway 961 can be shortened to Marina Centre, then let 62 extend via 961's former routing to Marina Bay Bus Terminal.

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,292 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by TPS Timothy Mok:

      961 really dying soon...... Anyway 961 can be shortened to Marina Centre, then let 62 extend via 961's former routing to Marina Bay Bus Terminal.

      Where got die?Loadings still satisfactory...There’s even an average of 5-6 DDs during weekdays

    • But as you suggest can shortened to Marina Centre and extend 62 also.

  • TIB 585L's Avatar
    9,145 posts since Apr '11
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      Where got die?Loadings still satisfactory...There’s even an average of 5-6 DDs during weekdays


      961 upsize a few DDs so i doubt the loading was bad

  • Vampire77lim's Avatar
    112 posts since Nov '16
    • For the suggestion to lta are not use

      We wish to share that LTA’s guiding principles in bus network planning are to provide bus services within 400m of developments subject to minimum demand, and to provide bus connection to a nearby MRT station or key transport node, where commuters can make onward connection to further destinations. 

      We seek your understanding that while we strive to provide direct bus services, it is not always possible to serve the doorstep of all developments and transfers are necessary to maintain an efficient and sustainable public transport network.

      We thank you for writing in.


      Yours sincerely



      John Isaac Lee Jie
      Transport Planner
      Bus Planning

  • dupdup77's Avatar
    3,046 posts since Nov '13
    • Originally posted by Vampire77lim:

      For the suggestion to lta are not use

      We wish to share that LTA’s guiding principles in bus network planning are to provide bus services within 400m of developments subject to minimum demand, and to provide bus connection to a nearby MRT station or key transport node, where commuters can make onward connection to further destinations. 

      We seek your understanding that while we strive to provide direct bus services, it is not always possible to serve the doorstep of all developments and transfers are necessary to maintain an efficient and sustainable public transport network.

      We thank you for writing in.


      Yours sincerely



      John Isaac Lee Jie
      Transport Planner
      Bus Planning

      Hi mr vampire77im, don't hope too much for direct bus routes. The MRT network has already taken over as the priority. Cheers. Thanks.

  • Romantichookupasia's Avatar
    9 posts since Oct '17
  • autumncs's Avatar
    421 posts since Oct '06
    • Originally posted by dupdup77:

      Hi mr vampire77im, don't hope too much for direct bus routes. The MRT network has already taken over as the priority. Cheers. Thanks.

      The problem with LTA's priority on the MRT network is that any MRT delays, faults or breakdowns will cause massive disruption and much unhappiness because commuters are left with very few alternatives, esp after direct bus routes are rationalized. Places with 2 or more MRT lines (e.g. Bishan, Tampines, etc) and places with express buses (e.g. Bukit Panjang) will be less affected, but places with only 1 MRT line and no express buses (e.g. Boon Lay) will suffer greatly.

  • SMB1368T's Avatar
    1,134 posts since Mar '16
  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,292 posts since Nov '03
    • Should have 1 trunk and 1 express svc parallel with MRT for a quite big estates.I guess only Bukit Merah Interchange doesn’t have the Rail Bridging berth.

  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,430 posts since May '12
    • Originally posted by TPS Timothy Mok:

      961 really dying soon...... Anyway 961 can be shortened to Marina Centre, then let 62 extend via 961's former routing to Marina Bay Bus Terminal.

      961 loading is quite good, especially between Queensway and Chinatown, and Bukit Panjang and Kranji. 

  • AJQZC's Avatar
    1,021 posts since Sep '08
    • Not sure if the Adam Rd - PIE junction would be modified to allow right turns (from eastbound PIE to southbound Adam Rd) in the future, but if it were, it would allow for some good rationalisation:

      • - 700: Bt Panjang -- Shenton Way   (via Adam Rd & Botanic Gardens, skipping Stevens Rd)
      • - 171: Yishun -- Bt Panjang   (Cut in entirety afterwards; replaced by 170 and 700)
      • - 67: CCK -- Lor 1 Geylang   (Using current 961 route after TKK MRT station)
      • - 1: Tampines -- either St. Michaels / Toa Payoh / loop near Little India   (via current 67 route)
      • - 961: Woodlands -- Bt Batok  (Via 178's route)
      • - 178: Bt Batok -- Boon Lay  (Other half of 178; subject to withdrawal / modification / merge with 258 depending on demand observed)

      Sectors saved:

      • - 67 between TKK MRT and Little India   (covered by 48, 66, 170, modified 700). Lost link between CCK and Little India though.
      • - 961 between Woodlands Int and Kranji MRT   (covered by 925, 960; mitigated by new route)
      • - 171 between Bt Panjang and Marina Ctr   (covered by 170, modified 700)
      • - 700 along Stevens Rd   (covered by 190, 960, 972)
      Edited by AJQZC 19 Oct `17, 12:21PM
  • Path Light's Avatar
    1,794 posts since Feb '15
    • Originally posted by autumncs:

      The problem with LTA's priority on the MRT network is that any MRT delays, faults or breakdowns will cause massive disruption and much unhappiness because commuters are left with very few alternatives, esp after direct bus routes are rationalized. Places with 2 or more MRT lines (e.g. Bishan, Tampines, etc) and places with express buses (e.g. Bukit Panjang) will be less affected, but places with only 1 MRT line and no express buses (e.g. Boon Lay) will suffer greatly.

      How you know?

  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,430 posts since May '12
    • Originally posted by AJQZC:

      Not sure if the Adam Rd - PIE junction would be modified to allow right turns (from eastbound PIE to southbound Adam Rd) in the future, but if it were, it would allow for some good rationalisation:

      • - 700: Bt Panjang -- Shenton Way   (via Adam Rd & Botanic Gardens, skipping Stevens Rd)
      • - 171: Yishun -- Bt Panjang   (Cut in entirety afterwards; replaced by 170 and 700)
      • - 67: CCK -- Lor 1 Geylang   (Using current 961 route after TKK MRT station)
      • - 1: Tampines -- either St. Michaels / Toa Payoh / loop near Little India   (via current 67 route)
      • - 961: Woodlands -- Bt Batok  (Via 178's route)
      • - 178: Bt Batok -- Boon Lay  (Other half of 178; subject to withdrawal / modification / merge with 258 depending on demand observed)

      Sectors saved:

      • - 67 between TKK MRT and Little India   (covered by 48, 66, 170, modified 700). Lost link between CCK and Little India though.
      • - 961 between Woodlands Int and Kranji MRT   (covered by 925, 960; mitigated by new route)
      • - 171 between Bt Panjang and Marina Ctr   (covered by 170, modified 700)
      • - 700 along Stevens Rd   (covered by 190, 960, 972)

      Well - most of the above make sense, BUT are similar to the suggestions I have already provided on all these services. 

  • TPS Timothy Mok's Avatar
    1,145 posts since Aug '07
    • Reduced loads on various bus services:

      8, 15, 20, 21, 22, 23, 31A, 59, 65, 66, 67, 87

      23 somehow kena wiped out 60% of the crowd.

      I think there are some commuters travelling direct on the DTL loop so no problem :) can sleep like taking the bus to Genting!

      Edited by TPS Timothy Mok 21 Oct `17, 1:14PM
  • phillipC's Avatar
    1,011 posts since Feb '05
  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,292 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by phillipC:

      Empty Sbst  DD running parallel to DTL.  The operator meant business.  Thumb up

      Of course la,So many standby at depots..Rather than doing nothing better learn rail bridging routes..SMRT also wake up from deep sleep.Saw SMRT buses from Pasir Ris-Tampines-Bedok-Lor 1 routes.

  • phillipC's Avatar
    1,011 posts since Feb '05
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      Of course la,So many standby at depots..Rather than doing nothing better learn rail bridging routes..SMRT also wake up from deep sleep.Saw SMRT buses from Pasir Ris-Tampines-Bedok-Lor 1 routes.

      Desmond Kuek will need another 5 years to solve the deep routed cultural problem within SMRT

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,292 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by phillipC:

      Desmond Kuek will need another 5 years to solve the deep routed cultural problem within SMRT

      Why he need to worry?He should just follow like the ministers who always find scapegoats for every blunders they make and continue to enjoy high pay.

      Edited by carbikebus 21 Oct `17, 3:44PM
  • Zinger Burger's Avatar
    6 posts since Oct '17
    • 我有预感66号公车路线以后可能会缩短到勿洛和加基武吉而已,因为其他的部分都已经有滨海市区线和别的公车路线在行驶,而只有勿洛的部分归66号公车路线所有。

      或许是因为当局有意缩短66号公车路线到加基武吉地铁站所以他们没有在加基武吉地铁站更改或添加公车路线链接邻近的直落古楼住宅区。

      希望在不久的将来当局可以在加基武吉地铁站添加公车路线,让直落古楼的居民能够搭巴士到加基武吉地铁站,无需步行五到十分钟。

      不然,加基武吉地铁站就好像没有这样。住在那里的居民还是得继续用友诺地铁站。倒不如当初不要建造加基武吉地铁站。现在通车了却没有巴士链接直落古楼住宅区,简直是很浪费资源。

      I have a feeling that bus route 66 may be shortened to Bedok and Kaki Bukit next time, because other sections of the route are already covered by the Downtown Line and other bus routes, and only the Bedok section totally belongs to bus route 66.

      It could be because the authorities have the intention of shortening bus route 66 to Kaki Bukit MRT Station that’s why they never amend or add bus route at Kaki Bukit MRT Station to connect to the neighboring Telok Kurau residential area.

      Hopefully in the near future the authorities can add bus route at Kaki Bukit MRT Station, to allow Telok Kurau residents to take bus to Kaki Bukit MRT Station, without having to walk 5 to 10 minutes.

      Otherwise, Kaki Bukit MRT Station is like don’t have like that. Those people living there have to continue to use Eunos MRT Station. Might as well don’t build Kaki Bukit MRT Station. Now open already yet don’t have bus connect to Telok Kurau residential area, is simply a waste of resources.

      Edited by Zinger Burger 21 Oct `17, 9:44PM
  • TPS Timothy Mok's Avatar
    1,145 posts since Aug '07
    • 402 was not withdrawn because this bus service have proper insurance. accident can still be claimable by operator, not Uber/GrabCar.

      There are strong negative reaction if 402 is withdrawn.

      A bus service 256 was withdrawn because is transitioning to JustGrab private hire service, never think about insurance/claimable.

      This has positive reaction as 256, 409 and some Premium services are withdrawn.

      Edited by TPS Timothy Mok 21 Oct `17, 9:13PM
  • iveco's Avatar
    17,088 posts since Mar '04
    • Originally posted by Zinger Burger:

      我有预感66号公车路线以后可能会缩短到勿洛和加基武吉而已,因为其他的部分都已经有滨海市区线和别的公车路线在行驶,而只有勿洛的部分归66号公车路线所有。

      或许是因为当局有意缩短66号公车路线到加基武吉地铁站所以他们没有在加基武吉地铁站更改或添加公车路线链接邻近的直落古楼住宅区。

      希望在不久的将来当局可以在加基武吉地铁站添加公车路线,让直落古楼的居民能够搭巴士到加基武吉地铁站,无需步行五到十分钟。

      不然,加基武吉地铁站就好像没有这样。住在那里的居民还是得继续用友诺地铁站。倒不如当初不要建造加基武吉地铁站地铁站。现在通车了却没有巴士链接直落古楼住宅区,简直是很浪费资源。

      I have a feeling that bus route 66 may be shortened to Bedok and Kaki Bukit next time, because other sections of the route are already covered by the Downtown Line and other bus routes, and only the Bedok section totally belongs to bus route 66.

      It could be because the authorities have the intention of shortening bus route 66 to Kaki Bukit MRT Station that’s why they never amend or add bus route at Kaki Bukit MRT Station to connect to the neighboring Telok Kurau residential area.

      Hopefully in the near future the authorities can add bus route at Kaki Bukit MRT Station, to allow Telok Kurau residents to take bus to Kaki Bukit MRT Station, without having to walk 5 to 10 minutes.

      Otherwise, Kaki Bukit MRT Station is like don’t have like that. Those people living there have to continue to use Eunos MRT Station. Might as well initially don’t build Kaki Bukit MRT Station. Now open already yet don’t have bus connect to Telok Kurau residential area, is simply a waste of resources.

      Dey, leave 66 as it is. It is 67 that should be cut between TAM and LTI. 65 can cover that portion easily.

  • Vampire77lim's Avatar
    112 posts since Nov '16
    • First days 137 monitoring of fully bus service  after 9pm and noticed that are not any of people take  empty all the way to Sims place  good for the bus driver  and not need to stop the bus service to get area of kaki buki area  empty 

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