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  • array88's Avatar
    1,400 posts since May '14
    • Originally posted by dupdup77:

      Hi mr array88, it is actually easier to say. However you need to revisit the time frames where the interchanges are built in relative to why the current interchanges are built that way. Note the interchanges are built without the BSEP in consideration. BSEP is only launched in yr 2011, many years after the interchanges design plan are conceptualized. So at point of instance, those interchanges are planned to house a certain number of buses. If all failed to see this point, there is no use to launch scathing and all those 马后炮remarks. Cheers. Thanks.


      Note that the new Serangoon ITH was built when the old Serangoon Int already had 81 and 82 terminating there. The ITH was in fact smaller than the old interchange and 81, 82 had to loop there. To me it's just failed planning.

      Bedok ITH also started construction in end 2011, yet in return we get a tiny ITH that has no hope for any future BSEP services. Same for Joo Koon, some may argue that it is enough for current JIS, but IMO it is just not prepared for any possible future developments in Joo Koon area (Tuas still have a new terminal), and for any potential inter-town services to Joo Koon.

  • dupdup77's Avatar
    3,046 posts since Nov '13
    • Originally posted by array88:


      Note that the new Serangoon ITH was built when the old Serangoon Int already had 81 and 82 terminating there. The ITH was in fact smaller than the old interchange and 81, 82 had to loop there. To me it's just failed planning.

      Bedok ITH also started construction in end 2011, yet in return we get a tiny ITH that has no hope for any future BSEP services. Same for Joo Koon, some may argue that it is enough for current JIS, but IMO it is just not prepared for any possible future developments in Joo Koon area (Tuas still have a new terminal), and for any potential inter-town services to Joo Koon.

      Hi mr array88, yes I know serangoon interchange was built smaller. Take note it was built inside NEX and constraints must be thought of. I know Sbs 81 and Sbs 82 used to start from there and because of space, for sbs 82, the starting interchange was reversed and sbs 84 was introduced to cover a certain sector. Note, to you it is failed planning but to them, it was what is required. So it is actually a form of different expectations.

      For bedok ITH, don't even need to say. Planning already started years before 2011 and construction started in 2011. At that time, BSEP was just conceived of and is only in its infancy. New buses have not been bought in. 

      For joo koon, it is enough for its current services and the area has Boon Lay and tuas to supplement. Cheers. Thanks. 

  • TIB868X's Avatar
    1,512 posts since Aug '11
    • Originally posted by dupdup77:

      Hi mr TIB868X, their vision is MRT. Not buses la. Their vision is 80% of residents in singapore will live within 500 metres of an MRT station by yr 2030 when cross-region MRT line opens. Please note that they envisage increase in MRT ridership. Cheers. Thanks.

      and there lies their stupidity. Just because I have a train station downstairs doesn't mean trains will allow me to get to where I want the most efficient way, compared to buses. Although our trains will have further reach and catchment, until our train network matches MTR reliability, it is dangerous to be too reliant on trains.

    • Originally posted by dupdup77:

      Hi mr array88, yes I know serangoon interchange was built smaller. Take note it was built inside NEX and constraints must be thought of. I know Sbs 81 and Sbs 82 used to start from there and because of space, for sbs 82, the starting interchange was reversed and sbs 84 was introduced to cover a certain sector. Note, to you it is failed planning but to them, it was what is required. So it is actually a form of different expectations.

      For bedok ITH, don't even need to say. Planning already started years before 2011 and construction started in 2011. At that time, BSEP was just conceived of and is only in its infancy. New buses have not been bought in. 

      For joo koon, it is enough for its current services and the area has Boon Lay and tuas to supplement. Cheers. Thanks. 

      So to the planners at LTA, space for transport infrastructure is secondary to money spinning real estate. That speaks volumes about how they regard the importance of bus infrastructure size. You can't centralize bus services in a hub and spoke manner while the hubs are not big enough. It seems that they are trying to copy HK's version of ITH but take into account their ITHs don't have anywhere near the amount of services as ours despite similar sizes. (30 bus services originating from Bedok Interchange vs 18 bus services originating from HK's Central Exchange Square). Its stupid to repeat the mistake over and over again (and not have the provisions to respond and adaapt).

  • dupdup77's Avatar
    3,046 posts since Nov '13
    • Originally posted by TIB868X:

      and there lies their stupidity. Just because I have a train station downstairs doesn't mean trains will allow me to get to where I want the most efficient way, compared to buses. Although our trains will have further reach and catchment, until our train network matches MTR reliability, it is dangerous to be too reliant on trains.

      Hi mr TIB868X, you keep the words to yourself first. Wait till yr 2030s come first then comment. By that time, most people will say they have foresight and say they did the right thing. Only a minority people like bus enthusiasts will say they are not correct. You know that people like us who always take buses have super high expectations that can never be met? By then, most will eat their words already. You will see a total different singapore by then. Cheers. Thanks.

    • Originally posted by TIB868X:

      So to the planners at LTA, space for transport infrastructure is secondary to money spinning real estate. That speaks volumes about how they regard the importance of bus infrastructure size. You can't centralize bus services in a hub and spoke manner while the hubs are not big enough. It seems that they are trying to copy HK's version of ITH but take into account their ITHs don't have anywhere near the amount of services as ours despite similar sizes. (30 bus services originating from Bedok Interchange vs 18 bus services originating from HK's Central Exchange Square). Its stupid to repeat the mistake over and over again (and not have the provisions to respond and adaapt).

      Hi mr TIB868X, sometimes I realise people who never actually do the job love to pass many comments. They have numerous ideas and they always give many criticisms. As of now, i don't see super chaos at the interchanges yet. Famous interchanges are only up to about 95% capacity and they are still very well managed except for the occasional hiccups. You may be there a few times and you suddenly feel it more squeezy than the past. However it is still manageable. Not to the extent that it deserves a slap on the face. BSEP buses are carefully slotted into available interchanges months after months with proper training and code adherence. Cheers. Thanks. 

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,291 posts since Nov '03
    • At most they will introduced more new service passing by outside Sgoon ITH.Bedok imho doesnt need anymore new service,What i worried is the number of fleet addition to the feeders and trunks.Well LTA can also built a new ITH within Bedok itself to support more bus service in future.

      Edited by carbikebus 13 Jan `16, 10:04PM
  • TIB429E's Avatar
    1,549 posts since Dec '13
    • Originally posted by dupdup77:

      Hi mr TIB868X, you keep the words to yourself first. Wait till yr 2030s come first then comment. By that time, most people will say they have foresight and say they did the right thing. Only a minority people like bus enthusiasts will say they are not correct. You know that people like us who always take buses have super high expectations that can never be met? By then, most will eat their words already. You will see a total different singapore by then. Cheers. Thanks.

      Trains are efficient due to the less travelling time from places to places. (No Traffic Jams etc.) Govt. would focus on the bigger benefit rather than minor ones...which you see Aerospace industry is expanding fast and the Marine isn't. 

      Some buses could win the train in terms of travelling time, but that's just minority few. You can't have the train to bring you every parts of S'pore. But with trains, you can shorten your travelling time by making transfer whereas possible and convenient. 

      Idk why the train standard needs to be of HK MTR when Japan railway could be a competitor. But still, it's not as if you get breakdown so frequently out of your 10 rides on train in a month(let's say for students). 

      But still, the bus industry needs to get better to adapt to the high demand of railway and population~ 

  • TIB868X's Avatar
    1,512 posts since Aug '11
    • Originally posted by dupdup77:

      Hi mr TIB868X, you keep the words to yourself first. Wait till yr 2030s come first then comment. By that time, most people will say they have foresight and say they did the right thing. Only a minority people like bus enthusiasts will say they are not correct. You know that people like us who always take buses have super high expectations that can never be met? By then, most will eat their words already. You will see a total different singapore by then. Cheers. Thanks.

      Didn't know I can't have an opinion. You honestly have the confidence? I'm amazed.

    • Originally posted by dupdup77:

      Hi mr TIB868X, sometimes I realise people who never actually do the job love to pass many comments. They have numerous ideas and they always give many criticisms. As of now, i don't see super chaos at the interchanges yet. Famous interchanges are only up to about 95% capacity and they are still very well managed except for the occasional hiccups. You may be there a few times and you suddenly feel it more squeezy than the past. However it is still manageable. Not to the extent that it deserves a slap on the face. BSEP buses are carefully slotted into available interchanges months after months with proper training and code adherence. Cheers. Thanks. 

      95% Capacity? According to you that is. Measured in terms of what? Number of buses at the interchangevs number of parking lots available or number of berths available? Have you seen Woodlands, Jurong East, Punggol Interchanges during peak hours?

      So you don't want criticisms to help give ideas to improve the transport system. You just want a compliant population, content with a can-be-improved system. Typical mindest of people who don't have the drive to constantly improve.

      Edited by TIB868X 14 Jan `16, 12:37PM
    • Originally posted by TIB429E:

      Trains are efficient due to the less travelling time from places to places. (No Traffic Jams etc.) Govt. would focus on the bigger benefit rather than minor ones...which you see Aerospace industry is expanding fast and the Marine isn't. 

      Some buses could win the train in terms of travelling time, but that's just minority few. You can't have the train to bring you every parts of S'pore. But with trains, you can shorten your travelling time by making transfer whereas possible and convenient. 

      Idk why the train standard needs to be of HK MTR when Japan railway could be a competitor. But still, it's not as if you get breakdown so frequently out of your 10 rides on train in a month(let's say for students). 

      But still, the bus industry needs to get better to adapt to the high demand of railway and population~ 

      Japanese railways have an ever higher standard!

  • proudtobeme's Avatar
    470 posts since Jan '15
    • Originally posted by TIB868X:

      and there lies their stupidity. Just because I have a train station downstairs doesn't mean trains will allow me to get to where I want the most efficient way, compared to buses. Although our trains will have further reach and catchment, until our train network matches MTR reliability, it is dangerous to be too reliant on trains.

      i agree with u. was chat with my mom and told her dtl3 coming soon. she said no help. why take bus to dtl3 mrt then take mrt when has bus go direct from house to kaki bukit. so there are many similar peop. 

      same for my bro who work at ubi. he said he will still take 8 instead take bus to dtl3 and then take mrt and then walk one bus stop. unless he say 8 freq become really silly. 

      mrt not solution for singapore. bus needed but more fast  express and bus lane.

  • SMB128B's Avatar
    4,968 posts since May '11
    • Originally posted by TIB868X:

      and there lies their stupidity. Just because I have a train station downstairs doesn't mean trains will allow me to get to where I want the most efficient way, compared to buses. Although our trains will have further reach and catchment, until our train network matches MTR reliability, it is dangerous to be too reliant on trains.

      MTR reliability aint that high bro...

      I would rather say...

      "Until you could match the following ops' standard...

      JR, TOBU, SEIBU, KEIKYU, HANKYU, TOKYU, TOKYO METRO...

      DON'T fucking come and tell me the rail network in SG is sufficient to eliminate buses as a direct transport mode.

      Period."

      Edited by SMB128B 14 Jan `16, 12:47PM
  • dupdup77's Avatar
    3,046 posts since Nov '13
    • Originally posted by TIB868X:

      Didn't know I can't have an opinion. You honestly have the confidence? I'm amazed.

      Hi mr TIB868X, you can have an opinion. Never in my message did I say no opinion allowed. Cheers. Thanks.

  • SMB128B's Avatar
    4,968 posts since May '11
    • Originally posted by TIB868X:

      So to the planners at LTA, space for transport infrastructure is secondary to money spinning real estate. That speaks volumes about how they regard the importance of bus infrastructure size. You can't centralize bus services in a hub and spoke manner while the hubs are not big enough. It seems that they are trying to copy HK's version of ITH but take into account their ITHs don't have anywhere near the amount of services as ours despite similar sizes. (30 bus services originating from Bedok Interchange vs 18 bus services originating from HK's Central Exchange Square). Its stupid to repeat the mistake over and over again (and not have the provisions to respond and adaapt).

      HK doesnt even prac H&S to begin with... 

      They know their rail is not perfect... Thats why 2/3 of their trunks are express...

      In TKO (South) where I reside, even though we have KTL, we have a faster 296D to TST, 796C to MK, 796X to TKW, 798 to Shatin, and recently 290 to TW... 

      Because we recognise a vital virtue...

      THE RAIL IS NEVER ENOUGH.

      Never will there be a time, roads will be covered with tracks. Never will there be a time, metal dragons soar above the city. Of course not! Coz everyone has a different place to go. Starting anywhere, ending anywhere. 

      This is where the versatility of bus services come in. 

      By then, we anticipate who is the one eating his own words, after all.

      Edited by SMB128B 14 Jan `16, 12:56PM
  • dupdup77's Avatar
    3,046 posts since Nov '13
    • Originally posted by TIB868X:

      95% Capacity? According to you that is. Measured in terms of what? Number of buses at the interchangevs number of parking lots available or number of berths available? Have you seen Woodlands, Jurong East, Punggol Interchanges during peak hours?

      So you don't want criticisms to help give ideas to improve the transport system. You just want a compliant population, content with a can-be-improved system. Typical mindest of people who don't have the drive to constantly improve.

      Hi mr TIB868X, you can level any criticisms you want. Never in my message did I say I want a compliant population and it will never happen. I am not contented with the current system which is contray to what you think. Cheers. Thanks.

      Edited by dupdup77 14 Jan `16, 7:27PM
    • Originally posted by SMB128B:

      HK doesnt even prac H&S to begin with... 

      They know their rail is not perfect... Thats why 2/3 of their trunks are express...

      In TKO (South) where I reside, even though we have KTL, we have a faster 296D to TST, 796C to MK, 796X to TKW, 798 to Shatin, and recently 290 to TW... 

      Because we recognise a vital virtue...

      THE RAIL IS NEVER ENOUGH.

      Never will there be a time, roads will be covered with tracks. Never will there be a time, metal dragons soar above the city. Of course not! Coz everyone has a different place to go. Starting anywhere, ending anywhere. 

      This is where the versatility of bus services come in. 

      By then, we anticipate who is the one eating his own words, after all.

      Hi mr SMB128B, I did not say terminate all bus services. What I mean is in singapore, mrt is the main mode of transport to go with. Buses will always play a complmentary role for those places where MRT cannot reach. So don't speak of words with such a tone that I say eliminate all buses. Cheers. Thanks.

  • SMB128B's Avatar
    4,968 posts since May '11
    • Originally posted by dupdup77:

      Hi mr TIB868X, you can level any criticisms you want. Never in my message did I say I want a compliant population and it will never happen. I am not contented with the current system which is contray to what you think. However, please note that whatever drive inside your mindset, you are not going to improve if you do not belong to the right type of people. Cheers. Thanks.

      If you so think you are the "right type of people", what are you not content with? Like what you did to us, I am more than glad to tell you why you dont belong to the " right type of people".

  • dupdup77's Avatar
    3,046 posts since Nov '13
    • Originally posted by SMB128B:

      MTR reliability aint that high bro...

      I would rather say...

      "Until you could match the following ops' standard...

      JR, TOBU, SEIBU, KEIKYU, HANKYU, TOKYU, TOKYO METRO...

      DON'T fucking come and tell me the rail network in SG is sufficient to eliminate buses as a direct transport mode.

      Period."

      Hi mr SMB128B, I did not say that the rail network in Sg is sufficient to eliminate buses. By yr 2030, mrt will be almost everywhere within 400 metres of 80% of the population. There will always be buses and by then buses will still be used almost everywhere sparingly. However, some routes will be amended cans rationalized in view of the MRT. Cheers. Thanks.

  • SMB128B's Avatar
    4,968 posts since May '11
    • Originally posted by dupdup77:

      Hi mr SMB128B, I did not say terminate all bus services. What I mean is in singapore, mrt is the main mode of transport to go with. Buses will always play a complmentary role for those places where MRT cannot reach. So don't speak of words with such a tone that I say eliminate all buses. Cheers. Thanks.

      Neither did I accuse of which. 

      If buses are supposed to play a complimentary role, what's your goddamn problem with turning trunks express then? 

  • dupdup77's Avatar
    3,046 posts since Nov '13
    • Originally posted by SMB128B:

      If you so think you are the "right type of people", what are you not content with? Like what you did to us, I am more than glad to tell you why you dont belong to the " right type of people".

      Hi mr SMB128B, I did not say I am the right type of people. I also don't want to belong to this type of people. I am glad to be just an ordinary citizen. But at least, this is my opinion. Can't I just voice my opinion? This is a forum and everybody has a right to voice opinions, ain't it? If my opinion differs from you, so be it. Cheers. Thanks.

      Edited by dupdup77 14 Jan `16, 1:05PM
  • SMB128B's Avatar
    4,968 posts since May '11
    • Originally posted by dupdup77:

      Hi mr SMB128B, I did not say that the rail network in Sg is sufficient to eliminate buses. By yr 2030, mrt will be almost everywhere within 400 metres of 80% of the population. There will always be buses and by then buses will still be used almost everywhere sparingly. However, some routes will be amended cans rationalized in view of the MRT. Cheers. Thanks.

      Here comes the problem.

      When the MRT line is now peppered with stops, what makes it any different from the legeng trunks we have in SG nowadays?

      Adding to the multiple transfers between lines?

      Hence arent we supposed to provide more direct, express buses?

    • Originally posted by dupdup77:

      Hi mr SMB128B, I did not say I am the right type of people. I also don't want to belong to this type of people. But at least, this is my opinion. Can't I just voice my opinion? This is a forum and everybody has a right to voice opinions, ain't it? If my opinion differs from you, so be it. Cheers. Thanks.

      I quote.

      "However, please note that whatever drive inside your mindset, you are not going to improve if you do not belong to the right type of people."

      Nowhere to deny.

      By saying this, you are defining user TIB868X's views as "not the right type" too. YOU are restricting his rights to voice an opinion. YOU are imposing YOUR ideas of a legitimate idea, and giving no respect to the views of another. And now YOU dare to shoot it back at us?

  • dupdup77's Avatar
    3,046 posts since Nov '13
    • Originally posted by SMB128B:

      Here comes the problem.

      When the MRT line is now peppered with stops, what makes it any different from the legeng trunks we have in SG nowadays?

      Adding to the multiple transfers between lines?

      Hence arent we supposed to provide more direct, express buses?

      Hi mr SMB128B, I am also furious that they make the Thomson Marine parade line like this. So many stops in Marine parade area. But what can I do? However I believe many people staying in Marine parade are waiting for this mrt line and ditch the buses when time comes. For those who have alternatives, they will surely take the MRT. It is not that I want to offend people but this will be the truth one day. Sorry if I offend anybody staying in marine parade in this forum. Cheers. Thanks.

    • Originally posted by SMB128B:

      I quote.

      "However, please note that whatever drive inside your mindset, you are not going to improve if you do not belong to the right type of people."

      Nowhere to deny.

      By saying this, you are defining user TIB868X's views as "not the right type" too. YOU are restricting his rights to voice an opinion. YOU are imposing YOUR ideas of a legitimate idea, and giving no respect to the views of another. And now YOU dare to shoot it back at us?

      Hi mr SMB128B, I am saying he is not the right type of people which means he is not involved in the authorities who made decisions to introduce bus services or mrt routes. Peace to all. Cheers. Thanks.

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