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  • Path Light's Avatar
    1,788 posts since Feb '15
    • Originally posted by Gus.chong:

      I noticed that the infrastructure for Woodlands Temporary Bus Interchange is almost ready from the view at the underground berths of the current bus interchange...can someone share the estimated date Woodlands Temporary Bus Interchange will open?

      January 2016 I think

  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,429 posts since May '12
    • Originally posted by AJQZC:

      This should be generally good news, most crowds at Boon Lay would be diverted away.

      Just hope Joo Koon doesn't get too overcrowded - some links to the JW and Tuas industrial estates should still be maintained at Boon Lay and Pioneer.

      Boon Lay will continue to have bulk of JIS services

      192, 193, 246, 249, 251, 252 will still operate from Boon Lay

      182, 254, 255, 257 will be moved to Joo Koon.

  • jurongresident's Avatar
    796 posts since Jul '09
    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      Boon Lay will continue to have bulk of JIS services

      192, 193, 246, 249, 251, 252 will still operate from Boon Lay

      182, 254, 255, 257 will be moved to Joo Koon.

       

      Hi Mr BusAnalyzer, thanks for the insider's information.

      From my observations, it seems that the heavily utilized Jurong-Industrial bus services are 182, 251 and 252. 

      Anyway, I think it is more logical to move 182, 254, 255 and 257, because these are bus services for the Tuas Industrial Area, not Jurong. Besides, these routes duplicate other routes when in Jurong area, except at Benoi Sector area.

      I suppose there would be new bus services for Benoi area, while 254, 255 and 257 are shortened to Joo Koon Bus Interchange.

      Edited by jurongresident 05 Oct `15, 7:46PM
  • AJQZC's Avatar
    1,021 posts since Sep '08
    • Originally posted by jurongresident:

       

      Hi Mr BusAnalyzer, thanks for the insider's information.

      From my observations, it seems that the heavily utilized Jurong-Industrial bus services are 182, 251 and 252. 

      Anyway, I think it is more logical to move 182, 254, 255 and 257, because these are bus services for the Tuas Industrial Area, not Jurong. Besides, these routes duplicate other routes when in Jurong area, except at Benoi Sector area.

      I suppose there would be new bus services for Benoi area, while 254, 255 and 257 are shortened to Joo Koon Bus Interchange.

       

      Originally posted by array88:

       

      My (revised) speculations on JIS amendments: (Just my 2 cents worth; not considering the 150 suggestion above)

       

      99 will start from Joo Koon Int, ply Joo Koon Circle, Benoi Rd, Upp Jurong Rd, Jurong West St 93, Jurong West St 91 and continues its original route to Clementi Int.

      182/M will start from Joo Koon Int, ply Joo Koon Circle, Benoi Rd, Upp Jurong Rd and continues its original route to Tuas South Ave 9.

      254 will start from Joo Koon Int, ply Joo Koon Circle, Benoi Rd, Pioneer Rd and continues its original route to Tuas Ave 11.

      255 will start from Joo Koon Int, ply Joo Koon Circle, Benoi Rd, Gul Circle and continues its original route to Gul Cres.

      257 will start from Joo Koon Int, ply Joo Koon Circle, Benoi Rd and continues its original route to Pioneer Sector 2.

       

      New service 253 will be introduced from Joo Koon Int looping at Jln Samulun, via Joo Koon Circle, Benoi Rd, Pioneer Rd, Tg Kling Rd, Shipyard Rd and Jln Samulun, covering the removed sector of 254.

      249 will be amended to loop at Tg Kling Rd, skipping Shipyard Rd and Jln Samulun (covered by 253).

      (Alternatively, 251 can be amended to Pioneer Rd with 253 plying Shipyard Rd and Tg Kling Rd to Jurong Shipyard, and 249 skipping Jurong Shipyard.)

      New service 256 will be introduced from Joo Koon Int looping at Benoi Cres, via Joo Koon Circle, Benoi Rd, Benoi Sector and Benoi Cres, covering the removed sector of 255.

      New service 258 will be introduced from Joo Koon Int to Kian Teck Cres, via Joo Koon Circle, Benoi Rd, Jln Ahmad Ibrahim, Pioneer Rd North, Kian Teck Way, Kian Teck Ave, Kian Teck Dr, Kian Teck Cres, Kian Teck Ave, Kian Teck Way and back to Joo Koon Int, covering the removed sector of 257.

      (Alternatively, 258 can be from Joo Koon Int to Taman Jurong Ter, via Joo Koon Circle, Benoi Rd, Jln Ahmad Ibrahim, Pioneer Rd North, International Rd, Yung Kuang Rd, Corporation Dr, Yung Ho Rd, Yuan Ching Rd and Hu Ching Rd.)

       

      P.S. Sorry for the massive spamming of 3 replies.

      Not sure if you missed it, but we did have an interesting suggestion from array88 two days ago on the JIS route amendments, originally posted at this link (appended here) along with some of my comments.

      Edited by AJQZC 05 Oct `15, 8:02PM
  • Path Light's Avatar
    1,788 posts since Feb '15
    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      Boon Lay will continue to have bulk of JIS services

      192, 193, 246, 249, 251, 252 will still operate from Boon Lay

      182, 254, 255, 257 will be moved to Joo Koon.

      So 182, 254, 255 and 257 will be moved to Joo Koon while Service 99 will be extended to Joo Koon

  • jurongresident's Avatar
    796 posts since Jul '09
    • Originally posted by AJQZC:

       

      Not sure if you missed it, but we did have an interesting suggestion from array88 two days ago on the JIS route amendments, originally posted at this link (appended here) along with some of my comments.

      Hi Mr AJQZC, I have scanned through the links. Actually, I wrote something similar on the forums back in February/March this year.

      Well, the consensus is clear. It's 254, 255, 257. And 182. That would go to Joo Koon. The new bus routes are roughly the same across all our suggestions, all at Benoi area.

      The new part is 99. I do not think anyone saw it coming, until someone leaked the information that 99 would go to Joo Koon. Well, I welcome the idea of letting 99 terminate at Joo Koon. Currently, a journey from Clementi to Jurong West Street 91 takes around two to three hours, not to mention returning back to Clementi. By extending the route to Joo Koon, we are actually shortening the trip by around half. This would make it less exhausting for the bus captains to drive 99.

      Meanwhile, bus 972 is another long route that is just like 99 - except the kind of catchment area it serves. Would it be feasible to extend it to a bus terminal (eg. Marina Centre Bus Terminal) and terminate there?

      Edited by jurongresident 05 Oct `15, 8:22PM
  • Path Light's Avatar
    1,788 posts since Feb '15
  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,285 posts since Nov '03
  • AJQZC's Avatar
    1,021 posts since Sep '08
    • Originally posted by jurongresident:

      The new part is 99. I do not think anyone saw it coming, until someone leaked the information that 99 would go to Joo Koon. Well, I welcome the idea of letting 99 terminate at Joo Koon. Currently, a journey from Clementi to Jurong West Street 91 takes around two to three hours, not to mention returning back to Clementi. By extending the route to Joo Koon, we are actually shortening the trip by around half. This would make it less exhausting for the bus captains to drive 99.

      Meanwhile, bus 972 is another long route that is just like 99 - except the kind of catchment area it serves. Would it be feasible to extend it to a bus terminal (eg. Marina Centre Bus Terminal) and terminate there?

      Oops. icon_razz.gif  I can understand if everyone is all with 99 to Joo Koon ... but it was just LTA's draft, not even a confirmed amendment. In fact before the info leak, many were calling for it to end at Boon Lay or Soon Lee depot instead ...

      As for 972, it can probably extend to Shenton Way, provided there is demand ... then 971E can be renumbered 972E as well.

      On a side note, many long trunks that looped near bus interchanges (16, 123, 124, etc.) have already been force-extended to end there, probably for similar reasons. The reverse for Changi Airport services, and 62 is still stranded outside Lor 1.

      Edited by AJQZC 05 Oct `15, 9:25PM
  • Path Light's Avatar
    1,788 posts since Feb '15
  • array88's Avatar
    1,396 posts since May '14
    • Originally posted by AJQZC:

      Oops. icon_razz.gif  I can understand if everyone is all with 99 to Joo Koon ... but it was just LTA's draft, not even a confirmed amendment. In fact before the info leak, many were calling for it to end at Boon Lay or Soon Lee depot instead ...

      As for 972, it can probably extend to Shenton Way, provided there is demand ... then 971E can be renumbered 972E as well.

      On a side note, many long trunks that looped near bus interchanges (16, 123, 124, etc.) have already been force-extended to end there, probably for similar reasons. The reverse for Changi Airport services, and 62 is still stranded outside Lor 1.

      The purpose of 123 and 124 extension is more to benefit the residents rather than having a terminal for the service...

  • Path Light's Avatar
    1,788 posts since Feb '15
    • Originally posted by AJQZC:

      Oops. icon_razz.gif  I can understand if everyone is all with 99 to Joo Koon ... but it was just LTA's draft, not even a confirmed amendment. In fact before the info leak, many were calling for it to end at Boon Lay or Soon Lee depot instead ...

      As for 972, it can probably extend to Shenton Way, provided there is demand ... then 971E can be renumbered 972E as well.

      On a side note, many long trunks that looped near bus interchanges (16, 123, 124, etc.) have already been force-extended to end there, probably for similar reasons. The reverse for Changi Airport services, and 62 is still stranded outside Lor 1.

      I believe Service 62 loops at Lorong 1 Geylang instead of New Bridge Road

  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,429 posts since May '12
    • Originally posted by AJQZC:

      Oops. icon_razz.gif  I can understand if everyone is all with 99 to Joo Koon ... but it was just LTA's draft, not even a confirmed amendment. In fact before the info leak, many were calling for it to end at Boon Lay or Soon Lee depot instead ...

      As for 972, it can probably extend to Shenton Way, provided there is demand ... then 971E can be renumbered 972E as well.

      On a side note, many long trunks that looped near bus interchanges (16, 123, 124, etc.) have already been force-extended to end there, probably for similar reasons. The reverse for Changi Airport services, and 62 is still stranded outside Lor 1.

      Not really.

      123 was extended to connect Bukit Purmei HDBs with Harboufront/Vivocity. So close yet so far before 123 extended.

      124 was extended to connect Tehlok Blangah Heights to Harboufront / Vivocity. 

      Both service extensions have taken on quite well, so i would not say they are forced-extensions. At same time, they resolved the issues related to looping with this change.

    • Originally posted by AJQZC:

      Oops. icon_razz.gif  I can understand if everyone is all with 99 to Joo Koon ... but it was just LTA's draft, not even a confirmed amendment. In fact before the info leak, many were calling for it to end at Boon Lay or Soon Lee depot instead ...

      As for 972, it can probably extend to Shenton Way, provided there is demand ... then 971E can be renumbered 972E as well.

      On a side note, many long trunks that looped near bus interchanges (16, 123, 124, etc.) have already been force-extended to end there, probably for similar reasons. The reverse for Changi Airport services, and 62 is still stranded outside Lor 1.

      99 and 972 is not the same case. 972 is pretty fast as it has a sole purpose of connecting Orchard with BPJ. 99 is long winding and is more of an intra-town service. Hence, 99 coming to a logical terminating point whether Boon Lay or Joo Koon is welcome. 972 looping @ Dhoby Ghaut is doing well for itself.

  • SBS 9256 X's Avatar
    2,471 posts since Sep '07
    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      Not really.

      123 was extended to connect Bukit Purmei HDBs with Harboufront/Vivocity. So close yet so far before 123 extended.

      124 was extended to connect Tehlok Blangah Heights to Harboufront / Vivocity. 

      Both service extensions have taken on quite well, so i would not say they are forced-extensions. At same time, they resolved the issues related to looping with this change.

      I agree with BusAnalayser... I believe is more of connectivity.. Is 63 still using Rumah Tinggi Terminal to take a short break? I saw a video of a joyride...

       

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,285 posts since Nov '03
    • Back then when Hgdep control Eunos,63 do rest at Rumah Tinggi because its dual depot control with Arbp.Arbp BCs start/change shift at the Terminal but hve mealbreaks at Eunos

    • If 972 end at Shenton Way,190 will face issue of overcrowding and frequecy issues again.

  • Path Light's Avatar
    1,788 posts since Feb '15
  • jurongresident's Avatar
    796 posts since Jul '09
    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      99 and 972 is not the same case. 972 is pretty fast as it has a sole purpose of connecting Orchard with BPJ. 99 is long winding and is more of an intra-town service. Hence, 99 coming to a logical terminating point whether Boon Lay or Joo Koon is welcome. 972 looping @ Dhoby Ghaut is doing well for itself.

      972 fast meh? That time I took 972 from the bus stop outside Dhoby Ghaut MRT station and alighted at one of the first few bus stops at Bukit Panjang town. It was during peak hours. The entire route between Dhoby Ghaut and just before the bus enter Bukit Panjang was congested. If I remember correctly, that journey took around one hour thirty minutes.

      Okay la. Since Mr BusAnalyzer says so, then One hour thirty minutes to complete around ten kilometers is still quite fast. :)

      To make the already quite-fast journey even faster, I have a suggestion:

      Bus Lanes.

      I know, from my experience at the other forum (Skyscrapercity Singapore - Transport/Infrastructure) when I suggested bus lanes, there may be people here (SGforums) who would say that Singapore land is scarce. But you look at Hong Kong. Although Singapore size is smaller than Hong Kong size, Singapore has more use-able land. If Hong Kong can build tram tracks on the roads, I am sure Singapore can have more full-day bus lanes on the roads.

      Edited by jurongresident 06 Oct `15, 7:22PM
  • SBS 9256 X's Avatar
    2,471 posts since Sep '07
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      Back then when Hgdep control Eunos,63 do rest at Rumah Tinggi because its dual depot control with Arbp.Arbp BCs start/change shift at the Terminal but hve mealbreaks at Eunos

      Ooh.. So they just looped at Rumah Tinggi Terminal huh... If not, is jsut short break to buy coffee and pee break at Rumah Tinggi Terminal before heading back to Eunos Int, am I right?

  • Path Light's Avatar
    1,788 posts since Feb '15
    • Originally posted by SBS 9256 X:

      Ooh.. So they just looped at Rumah Tinggi Terminal huh... If not, is jsut short break to buy coffee and pee break at Rumah Tinggi Terminal before heading back to Eunos Int, am I right?

      Just short break, passengers reboard the bus they alighted

  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,429 posts since May '12
    • Originally posted by jurongresident:

      972 fast meh? That time I took 972 from the bus stop outside Dhoby Ghaut MRT station and alighted at one of the first few bus stops at Bukit Panjang town. It was during peak hours. The entire route between Dhoby Ghaut and just before the bus enter Bukit Panjang was congested. If I remember correctly, that journey took around one hour thirty minutes.

      Okay la. Since Mr BusAnalyzer says so, then One hour thirty minutes to complete around ten kilometers is still quite fast. :)

      To make the already quite-fast journey even faster, I have a suggestion:

      Bus Lanes.

      I know, from my experience at the other forum (Skyscrapercity Singapore - Transport/Infrastructure) when I suggested bus lanes, there may be people here (SGforums) who would say that Singapore land is scarce. But you look at Hong Kong. Although Singapore size is smaller than Hong Kong size, Singapore has more use-able land. If Hong Kong can build tram tracks on the roads, I am sure Singapore can have more full-day bus lanes on the roads.

      It doesn't take that long... and from when have you started talking like a jerk? omg.png

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,285 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by SBS 9256 X:

      Ooh.. So they just looped at Rumah Tinggi Terminal huh... If not, is jsut short break to buy coffee and pee break at Rumah Tinggi Terminal before heading back to Eunos Int, am I right?

      For changing shift,Its between 10-16 mins depending on duty.Arbp duties is between 4 buses ahead/behind Hgdep duties.There is 3 parking lots so Hgdep BC does get a short break upon reaching there.Now the parking lots left 2 only.

  • SBS 9256 X's Avatar
    2,471 posts since Sep '07
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      For changing shift,Its between 10-16 mins depending on duty.Arbp duties is between 4 buses ahead/behind Hgdep duties.There is 3 parking lots so Hgdep BC does get a short break upon reaching there.Now the parking lots left 2 only.

      Ooh. I see.. So this is for at that time... Now is just looping only huh?

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,285 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by SBS 9256 X:

      Ooh. I see.. So this is for at that time... Now is just looping only huh?

      Now only sole control by Bndep,The most is like 3-6 mins break.

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