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  • Gus.chong's Avatar
    9,802 posts since Jun '10
  • jurongresident's Avatar
    796 posts since Jul '09
    • Okay. :)

    • Originally posted by Gus.chong:

      I disagree with the first point. By making 192 plying the route of 258, there are definitely going to be serious problems. It is somehow difficult to explain, but I do not think that as a trunk service, 192 should ply the route like a feeder hybrid. Trunks are meant to provide direct connections from one area to another while feeders bring people from residential estates to the nearest MRT stations/bus interchange. Furthermore, the distance is going to increase, as well as the frequency and number of buses in its fleet. I do not think this can be explained away by the fact that the demand between Jurong West and Fairprice Hub is low.

      Actually, 258 is a Jurong-Industrial Bus Service. Like 192, by right, 258 is meant to serve the industrial areas. So, I think it would be appropriate to merge 258 with 192.

    • Originally posted by Haxx189SBS3296U:

      Service 502 will be extended. dupdup77's objection is denied

      Why do you think service 502 will be extended? Please provide at least one valid reason to support your claim.

    • Hi everyone. How is the extension of bus service 49? If you had tried it today, do share with us your experience on the extension. :)

  • Gus.chong's Avatar
    9,802 posts since Jun '10
    • Originally posted by jurongresident:

      Actually, 258 is a Jurong-Industrial Bus Service. Like 192, by right, 258 is meant to serve the industrial areas. So, I think it would be appropriate to merge 258 with 192.

      With regards to this reply, although my opinions are way before 258 is introduced, but I guess this still applies depending on which number are you using for the merged service...if you are retaining 192 as the number, my stand still remains that as a trunk service, it ought to bring direct connections and not winding around Jurong West neighbourhoods with many turns. If you are retaining 258 as the number, it would have garnered my support otherwise.

  • jurongresident's Avatar
    796 posts since Jul '09
    • Originally posted by Gus.chong:

      With regards to this reply, although my opinions are way before 258 is introduced, but I guess this still applies depending on which number are you using for the merged service...if you are retaining 192 as the number, my stand still remains that as a trunk service, it ought to bring direct connections and not winding around Jurong West neighbourhoods with many turns. If you are retaining 258 as the number, it would have garnered my support otherwise.


      does the number matter?

      192 is for Tuas industrial area. 258 is Jurong-Industrial bus service. Both are for industrial areas.

      I was even wondering if we could re-route 258 to Bulim Industrial Estate, so that 258 can truly be a Jurong-Industrial bus service. That is, while we merge 258 with 192, if we do merge these two bus services.

      If we extend 258 to Bulim Industrial Estate, I would recommend that the bus route ply Jurong West Avenue 3, before plying Street 22 and 23, and Avenue 2 to Bulim Avenue.

      Edited by jurongresident 22 Nov `15, 10:12PM
  • AJQZC's Avatar
    983 posts since Sep '08
    • Originally posted by jurongresident:

       

      does the number matter?

      192 is for Tuas industrial area. 258 is Jurong-Industrial bus service. Both are for industrial areas.

      I was even wondering if we could re-route 258 to Bulim Industrial Estate, so that 258 can truly be a Jurong-Industrial bus service. That is, while we merge 258 with 192, if we do merge these two bus services.

      If we extend 258 to Bulim Industrial Estate, I would recommend that the bus route ply Jurong West Avenue 3, before plying Street 23 and 24, and Avenue 2 to Bulim Avenue.

      So you want to remove both the 192 and 258 links to Boon Lay, in favour of a single continued 192 via Upp Jurong Rd, Pioneer MRT, the JW estates, then through JW Ave 3 / St 23 and loop at Bulim?

      What about extending 181 or 246?

      Edited by AJQZC 22 Nov `15, 10:19PM
  • jurongresident's Avatar
    796 posts since Jul '09
    • Originally posted by AJQZC:

      So you want to remove both the 192 and 258 links to Boon Lay, in favour of a single continued 192 via Upp Jurong Rd, the JW estates, then through JW Ave 3 / St 23 and loop at Bulim?

      What about extending 181 or 246?


      I guess 181 was never meant for industrial areas. The original intention was probably to extend it further to the then-proposed new roads. That was when the entire Wenya/Bulim area was only for residential uses.

      Plans have changed. Now the only reason why 181 should be extended is simply to connect JW residents to Street 23/24, or otherwise to Boon Lay or Taman Jurong. That's all.

      Anyway, I do not think 181 will ever be extended to an industrial area.

      Edited by jurongresident 22 Nov `15, 10:30PM
  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,309 posts since May '12
  • dupdup77's Avatar
    3,013 posts since Nov '13
    • Nowadays, the topics are all quite intertwined. Even at other topics (not route suggestions) also suddenly have routes being suggested. So I believe this is due to the nature of the topics being discussed. Cheers. Thanks.

  • jurongresident's Avatar
    796 posts since Jul '09
    • BSEP Bus Service 258 - Joo Koon to Boon Lay (loop)

      It has been six days since the BSEP bus service 258 was introduced. At the section between Joo Koon Bus Interchange and Jurong West Street 61/71/81, the loading has been increasing every day, and it is still increasing, as more Jurong West residents are aware of this new bus service.

      For the section between Boon Lay Bus Interchange and Jurong West Street 81/71/61, I feel that there is the potential to make the BSEP bus service 258 more useful. Rather than let the BSEP bus service 258 duplicate bus services 243G and 243W, I think it is better to let it go into neighbourhood 7, by plying Jurong West Street 72.

      I notice that many Jurong West residents who take bus along Jurong West Street 75 actually stay along Jurong West Street 72. They probably take bus at Jurong West Street 75 because they feel that this is a faster way to Boon Lay Bus Interchange, as compared to taking bus service 242. Although there is bus service 193 at Jurong West Avenue 4, the frequency is long.

      We could amend the route of the BSEP bus service 258 to ply Jurong West Avenue 4 and Street 72, before continuing on from Jurong West Street 82 - Skipping the entire stretch of Jurong West Street 75.

      By doing so, it would enhance the accessibility to bus services for Jurong West residents who stay along Jurong West Street 72. It could reduce waiting times for a direct bus service to Boon Lay Bus Interchange, from Jurong West Avenue 4. More importantly, it could be a more effective way to reduce the very high loadings on bus services 243G and 243W along Jurong West Street 75. This would also enable the BSEP bus service 258 to complement bus service 242, which sometimes has high loadings.

      Meanwhile, by plying Jurong West Street 72, 81 and 61, it would further enhance the intra-town bus connection within Jurong West Extension town (Gek Poh and Pioneer), which has already been enhanced with the introduction of the BSEP bus service 258.

      Ultimately, it is the money that matters. If we amend the route of the BSEP bus service 258 to ply Jurong West Street 72, more Jurong West residents would benefit and there would be higher loadings on the BSEP bus service 258. With higher loadings, more revenue could be collected. :)

      Edited by jurongresident 26 Nov `15, 11:34PM
  • carbikebus's Avatar
    19,732 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by dupdup77:

      Nowadays, the topics are all quite intertwined. Even at other topics (not route suggestions) also suddenly have routes being suggested. So I believe this is due to the nature of the topics being discussed. Cheers. Thanks.

      Only now you noticed?Its been going on for ages..You will see lawyers,Doctors,Majistrate,Police and whatsoever nonsense take place.

  • dupdup77's Avatar
    3,013 posts since Nov '13
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      Only now you noticed?Its been going on for ages..You will see lawyers,Doctors,Majistrate,Police and whatsoever nonsense take place.

      Hi mr carbikebus, yes i knew long time ago already. Some topics are just too close to call. For example, LTA bus service enhancement program part 4 is so close to new bus services announced by LTA. There is a need to consolidate similar topics, seriously. Or else you see posts being switched between similar topics and separate discussions for same issue. Due to this reason, we really cannot prevent cases of people writing in topics deemed not the most appropriate. Cheers. Thanks.

      Edited by dupdup77 27 Nov `15, 8:48AM
  • jurongresident's Avatar
    796 posts since Jul '09
    • Originally posted by dupdup77:

      Hi mr carbikebus, yes i knew long time ago already. Some topics are just too close to call. For example, LTA bus service enhancement program part 4 is so close to new bus services announced by LTA. There is a need to consolidate similar topics, seriously. Or else you see posts being switched between similar topics and separate discussions for same issue. Due to this reason, we really cannot prevent cases of people writing in topics deemed not the most appropriate. Cheers. Thanks.

      Over at the other forum (the one with Mith252, y2koh, CHT, AsHalt, 201911, deskoh91, eX.A.K.R., etcetera.), threads are merged into one. Sometimes, a new thread is created by consolidating similar postings across existing threads, when there is not yet a thread for that.

      If only the threads here at SGforums can be merged or created like this.

      If only there is no (stupid) limit on how many posts there can be in one thread.

      Over at the other forum, threads can go on for years - Some of them are already ten over years old (e.g. the one about North East Line) - with thousands of posts, and counting.

      However, the other forum is less active in discussions about buses, and it is even more restrictive to only experts.

      Anyway, it seems that this "Path Light" user has "migrated" over to the other forum. I know some of the people there (S**S****** C***) are here (SGforums). Please accept this "refugee". Keep him there, so he will not come here. Thanks.

      Edited by jurongresident 27 Nov `15, 9:19AM
    • BSEP Hangers?

      Apparently, BSEP bus service 258 and BSEP bus service extension of 49 do not have hangers (that show the new route) on the buses.

      Q: have they been dis-continued, or are they still in the process of printing?

      Edited by jurongresident 29 Nov `15, 8:22PM
  • array88's Avatar
    1,325 posts since May '14
    • Originally posted by jurongresident:

      BSEP Hangers?

      Apparently, BSEP bus service 258 and BSEP bus service extension of 49 do not have hangers (that show the new route) on the buses.

      Q: have they been dis-continued, or are they still in the process of printing?

      Wait for a few weeks... Nowadays hangers usually take at least half a month to be distributed

  • Gus.chong's Avatar
    9,802 posts since Jun '10
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      Edited by Gus.chong 02 Dec `15, 11:50AM
  • iveco's Avatar
    17,024 posts since Mar '04
    • Originally posted by Gus.chong:

      Registered on 01st December 2015:

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      what about the PB ones? What are their regoes?

  • SMB1614H's Avatar
    24 posts since Dec '15
  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,309 posts since May '12
    • Originally posted by SMB1614H:

      When will 983 be extended to Bukit Panjang?2015 or 2016

      Should be announced by next week is my guess.

  • TPS Timothy Mok's Avatar
    1,073 posts since Aug '07
    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      Should be announced by next week is my guess.

      Should announce 3 services by next week. 117, 805 and the extension of 983.

  • SBS2652G's Avatar
    336 posts since Sep '15
    • Originally posted by TPS Timothy Mok:

      Should announce 3 services by next week. 117, 805 and the extension of 983.

      no such service as 805. only 117 for yishun

  • SBS 9256 X's Avatar
    2,471 posts since Sep '07
    • Originally posted by SBS2652G:

      no such service as 805. only 117 for yishun

      Svc 117 will be a breakthrough after 161 & 168 entering Woodlands Regional Interchange. But history was Svc 169 was formerly under SBS...

  • Gus.chong's Avatar
    9,802 posts since Jun '10
    • Originally posted by iveco:

      what about the PB ones? What are their regoes?

      The last PB Citaro was registered around half a year ago and no PB Citaros had been registered since then...

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