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  • TIB 585L's Avatar
    9,145 posts since Apr '11
  • hgdep103's Avatar
    310 posts since Sep '16
    • Quite a fair bit of elderly onboard 3215 103 from NEX, DD deployment good cos elderly stays downstairs while younger ones move up

       

      last time, some elderly had to stand all the way because not enough seats

  • SBS 9256 X's Avatar
    2,471 posts since Sep '07
    • Who was the bus enthusiast at Blk 798 bus stop recording the loading of buses yst?

      I think that person recording the loading at that bus stop for Svc 811 & Svc 812...

  • AntiDennisLance's Avatar
    1,090 posts since Jul '03
    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      On Friday PM, I spotted 2 DDs and 2 bendies on svc 860.

      1. A95 (SMRT livery, didn't see rego)

      2. E500 (3591B)

      3. NWAB (1138M)

      4. NWAB (didn't see rego)

      Any other HC buses on 860 anyone spotted, or is it only 4?

      805 and 860 are probably slated for capacity expansion coz of the new BTO's at N5 and the new N6 batch coming up and folks moving in.  117 will see better usage of its DD's.  812 may also see a boost coz it serves the new batch N6 flats too.

      With 860 getting possible capacity boost, 804 may lose its relevance.  Those N4 flats at the tail end of the 804 loop has 103/117/805/860 where 103, 117 and 805 provides a more direct link to the MRT or interchange.  Most of the 804 route has one or more backups in the form of 103/117/800/803/805/806/860.  In fact 860 is a more direct route than 804 from the interchange for folks staying in the N3 and N4 portion of Ring Road since it doesnt make a big round to N2 first.

      Edited by AntiDennisLance 26 Jan `17, 4:46PM
  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,430 posts since May '12
    • Originally posted by AntiDennisLance:

      805 and 860 are probably slated for capacity expansion coz of the new BTO's at N5 and the new N6 batch coming up and folks moving in.  117 will see better usage of its DD's.  812 may also see a boost coz it serves the new batch N6 flats too.

      With 860 getting possible capacity boost, 804 may lose its relevance.  Those N4 flats at the tail end of the 804 loop has 103/117/805/860 where 103, 117 and 805 provides a more direct link to the MRT or interchange.  Most of the 804 route has one or more backups in the form of 103/117/800/803/805/806/860.  In fact 860 is a more direct route than 804 from the interchange for folks staying in the N3 and N4 portion of Ring Road since it doesnt make a big round to N2 first.

      You are right. 804 has totally lost its loading. You can see in "loading levels" I have documented <25 pax on every bus departing interchange on 804. It has many alternatives.

      I do feel AM loading will be better from Ring road towards MRT but PM is quite poor. 

    • Originally posted by SBS 9256 X:

      Who was the bus enthusiast at Blk 798 bus stop recording the loading of buses yst?

      I think that person recording the loading at that bus stop for Svc 811 & Svc 812...

      I was there the day before, not yesterday and I documented 804 and 860.

  • AntiDennisLance's Avatar
    1,090 posts since Jul '03
    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      You are right. 804 has totally lost its loading. You can see in "loading levels" I have documented <25 pax on every bus departing interchange on 804. It has many alternatives.

      I do feel AM loading will be better from Ring road towards MRT but PM is quite poor. 

      Oh I see. Then perhaps they can give some 804 bendies to 860 too. 804 was just a one size fits all solution to that area due to lack of buses back in the TIBS days. Now there are so many more new direct alternatives.

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,293 posts since Nov '03
  • array88's Avatar
    1,400 posts since May '14
    • Originally posted by AntiDennisLance:

      Oh I see. Then perhaps they can give some 804 bendies to 860 too. 804 was just a one size fits all solution to that area due to lack of buses back in the TIBS days. Now there are so many more new direct alternatives.

      In fact, I think it is probably time to revamp the entire Yishun feeder network. Many old feeders and intra-towns, such as 800, 804, 811 north and 812 west, are extremely winding.

  • SMB145B's Avatar
    2,252 posts since Dec '12
    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      You are right. 804 has totally lost its loading. You can see in "loading levels" I have documented <25 pax on every bus departing interchange on 804. It has many alternatives.

      I do feel AM loading will be better from Ring road towards MRT but PM is quite poor. 

      Those transferring from MRT will board it at blk 154. Is it factored in?

  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,430 posts since May '12
    • Originally posted by SMB145B:

      Those transferring from MRT will board it at blk 154. Is it factored in?

      How many board per bus? From what I have seen it can be anywhere between 20-40 pax per bus, but if you observe not even one bus left the interchange with >25 pax (see loading level thread). 

      I do feel AM loading would still be higher. Hence, can keep its fleet for now, anyway downgraded considerably to 5 SDs, 5 bendies from a full fleet bendy once!

    • Originally posted by array88:

      In fact, I think it is probably time to revamp the entire Yishun feeder network. Many old feeders and intra-towns, such as 800, 804, 811 north and 812 west, are extremely winding.

      I agree - they def should, especially with new blocks coming up at st 42/43/44/ave 6. Doesn't make sense to keep introducing duplicating feeders but a route rehaul is required. 800/804/811 all quite winding. 

    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      804 now can use 6 A22 and 4 A24..

      Current fleet observed was 5 SDs, 1 A24, 4 NWABs... so basically 5 SDs, 5 Bendies. 

    • Originally posted by AntiDennisLance:

      Oh I see. Then perhaps they can give some 804 bendies to 860 too. 804 was just a one size fits all solution to that area due to lack of buses back in the TIBS days. Now there are so many more new direct alternatives.

      860 can take in more DDs. Fleet size in PM is 13 buses (not 19) with 4 HC. Can do more HC buses given that more flats are TOP along Ring Road. And the DDs are doing quite well. Since it is more younger population, many are going upper deck. 

    • Yishun feeders

      After new operator takes over, I wouldn't be surprised if many of Yishun feeder/intra-towns become full fleet SDs:

      Full fleet SD:

      800, 803, 804, 805, 812

      * 800 - has SD loading except for Ring Road >> Interchange (also have sv 804)

      * 804 - loading dropped on account of multiple faster services 800, 803, 805, 806, 860 along its route. 

      * 805 - loading is still low, will take few years for it to warrant HC buses

      * 812 - too many buses has spread the loading + 805 takes part of the loading now + many from older flats have moved to newer flats along ring road

      Mix of SD/DD:

      806, 811, 860 (short trunk)

      * 806 - still only service to ave 6 BTOs (should be full fleet DD)

      * 811 - only service to ave 6/7 BTOs + ave 4/st 81 & industrial estate (majority DD)

      * 860 - fastest MRT connection for Ring Road residents to Khatib (majority DD)

       

       

  • SMB145B's Avatar
    2,252 posts since Dec '12
    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      Yishun feeders

      After new operator takes over, I wouldn't be surprised if many of Yishun feeder/intra-towns become full fleet SDs:

      Full fleet SD:

      800, 803, 804, 805, 812

      * 800 - has SD loading except for Ring Road >> Interchange (also have sv 804)

      * 804 - loading dropped on account of multiple faster services 800, 803, 805, 806, 860 along its route. 

      * 805 - loading is still low, will take few years for it to warrant HC buses

      * 812 - too many buses has spread the loading + 805 takes part of the loading now + many from older flats have moved to newer flats along ring road

      Mix of SD/DD:

      806, 811, 860 (short trunk)

      * 806 - still only service to ave 6 BTOs (should be full fleet DD)

      * 811 - only service to ave 6/7 BTOs + ave 4/st 81 & industrial estate (majority DD)

      * 860 - fastest MRT connection for Ring Road residents to Khatib (majority DD)

       

       

      805 can have 1 or 2 split DDs which could later used for 811 (Majority Rigids)

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,293 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      Current fleet observed was 5 SDs, 1 A24, 4 NWABs... so basically 5 SDs, 5 Bendies. 

      I prefer 6A22,3NWAB & 1A24.

  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,430 posts since May '12
    • Originally posted by SMB145B:

      805 can have 1 or 2 split DDs which could later used for 811 (Majority Rigids)

      805???

      the rigids rarely have standees. Why would you want to put DDS?? Can be considered when loading increases.

  • SMB1333T's Avatar
    508 posts since Jun '13
    • Anyway 860 had 9-10 high capacity buses yesterday.

      6 A95, 3 enviros, 1 A24 and (1 habit?)

      Many rigid slots upgraded

  • AntiDennisLance's Avatar
    1,090 posts since Jul '03
    • Originally posted by SMB1333T:

      Anyway 860 had 9-10 high capacity buses yesterday.

      6 A95, 3 enviros, 1 A24 and (1 habit?)

      Many rigid slots upgraded

      I hope wherever these HC buses are pulled from, the services get replacement HC's.

    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      805???

      the rigids rarely have standees. Why would you want to put DDS?? Can be considered when loading increases.

      Not yet. But will be required when more of the N5 and N6 BTO's TOP.

  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,430 posts since May '12
    • Originally posted by AntiDennisLance:

      Not yet. But will be required when more of the N5 and N6 BTO's TOP.

      Don't forget before they convert to DDS they will first pump up the frequency by adding many rigids. Currently operating with 5 buses, will get around 8-9 rigids at 05 min frequency. If loading still high, then will add DDS.

      Though personally I would prefer SD to DD conversion

       

    • Originally posted by SMB1333T:

      Anyway 860 had 9-10 high capacity buses yesterday.

      6 A95, 3 enviros, 1 A24 and (1 habit?)

      Many rigid slots upgraded

      Wow... that's really good.. I hope they stick to it.

      SMRT in general had a mental block to deploy DDs on feeders and short trunks. Now that they have seen that the DDs on 860 are doing well, they are introducing more DDs - a move they should have done 2 years back for the benefit of Ring road residents. 

      They should space out the buses at 05-06 mins with HC buses instead of the current 03-04 mins that is leading to massive bunching.

  • SMB145B's Avatar
    2,252 posts since Dec '12
    • Originally posted by AntiDennisLance:

      Not yet. But will be required when more of the N5 and N6 BTO's TOP.

      by the time the new operator takes over, N5 and N6 would have moved in.

    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      805???

      the rigids rarely have standees. Why would you want to put DDS?? Can be considered when loading increases.

      you said new operator taking over which meant another 2-3 years later.

      fleet size 12

      12 Rigids

      8 A22s + 4 taros

      2 DDs from 811 doing 805 during AM/PM Peak

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