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  • gekpohboy's Avatar
    2,180 posts since Mar '16
    • Loading on svc 651 from Jurong West Avenue 3 @ 07.46 Scania K310IB (49-seater)

      Jurong West Avenue 3 -- 2 (0/2), 9 (0/7)

      Jurong West Avenue 5 -- 13 (0/4)

      Jurong West Street 75 -- 17 (0/4)

      Jurong West Street 82 -- 17 (0/0)

      Jurong West Street 81 -- 24 (0/7), 27 (0/3)

      Jurong West Street 71 -- 29 (0/2)

      Jurong West Street 61 -- 33 (0/4), 35 (0/2)

      Anson Road -- 28 (-7/0)

      Robinson Road -- 20 (-8/0), 8 (-12/0)

      Marina Boulevard -- 6 (-2/0), 0 (-6/0) I alighted here.

      * The bus was 71% occupied when it ran express from Jurong West Street 61 to Anson Road.

      * Peak loading = 35 pax. If this was a Mercedes-Benz Citaro bus (90 pax), the bus would be 38% occupied, which is well below the maximum loading of 85%.

      * Bus ran express from 8:02am to 8:54am, and arrived at the last bus stop (Marina Bay Financial Centre) at 9:04am.

      * Traffic was slow because there was a traffic accident on the AYE, on 11 April.

      Edited by gekpohboy 20 May `17, 9:06PM
    • Loading on svc 651 from Central Boulevard @ 18.15 Scania K310IB (49-seater)

      Central Boulevard -- 1 (0/1), 14 (0/13)

      Shenton Way -- 31 (0/17), 40 (0/9)

      Jurong West Street 61 -- 35 (-5/0), 31 (-4/0)

      Jurong West Street 71 -- 28 (-3/0)

      Jurong West Street 81 -- 23 (-5/0), 21 (-2/0)

      Jurong West Street 82 -- 20 (-1/0)

      Jurong West Street 75 -- 8 (-12/0)

      Jurong West Avenue 5 -- 7 (-1/0)

      Jurong West Avenue 3 -- 2 (-5/0), 0 (-2/0) I alighted here.

      * The bus was 81% occupied when it ran express from Shenton Way to Jurong West Street 61.

      * Peak loading = 40 pax. If this was a Mercedes-Benz Citaro bus (90 pax), the bus would be 44% occupied, which is half the maximum loading of 85%.

      * Bus ran express from 6:30pm to 7:18pm, and arrived at the last bus stop (Blk 276B) at 7:32pm.

      Edited by gekpohboy 20 May `17, 9:06PM
  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,525 posts since May '12
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      Shouldn't introduce 381 in the first place,Should have an express route from PGL Int instead running like 518.

      Well I did say all the time 381 was a bad idea at this stage... even though others said NO... loading is miserable. I agree they should have launched a full day express service from Puggol to Little India/Orchard - it would have done well. 

    • Originally posted by gekpohboy:

      Loading on svc 651 from Jurong West Avenue 3 @ 07.32 Scania K310IB (49-seater)

      Jurong West Avenue 3 -- 5 (0/5), 17 (0/12)

      Jurong West Avenue 5 -- 18 (0/1)

      Jurong West Street 75 -- 25 (0/7)

      Jurong West Street 82 -- 29 (0/4)

      Jurong West Street 81 -- 32 (0/3), 36 (0/4)

      Jurong West Street 71 -- 40 (0/4)

      Jurong West Street 61 -- 43 (0/3), 43 (0/0)

      Anson Road -- 37 (-6/0)

      Robinson Road -- 25 (-12/0), 14 (-11/0)

      Marina Boulevard -- 6 (-8/0), 0 (-6/0) I alighted here.

      * The bus was 87% occupied when it ran express from Jurong West Street 61 to Anson Road.

      * Peak loading = 43 pax. If this was a Mercedes-Benz Citaro bus (90 pax), the bus would be 47% occupied, which is well below the maximum loading of 85%.

      * Bus ran express from 7:51am to 8:25am, and arrived at the last bus stop (Marina Bay Financial Centre) at 8:37am.

      For Citaro, seats are only 32-36 depending on configuration. This means for an express service, you would have many people standing... and that's not good.

    • Loading on sv 83 (17/05) @ 07.20am from Sengkang Interchange DD

      Sengkang Interchange -- 07 (0/7)

      Sengkang East Rd -- 12 (0/5), 14 (0/2)

      Compassvale St -- 17 (-2/5), 24 (-1/8)

      Punggol Road -- 18 (-9/3), 17 (-4/3)

      Punggol Field -- 18 (-1/2), 16 (-4/2), 14 (-4/2)

      Punggol East -- 12 (-2/0) I alighted here. 

      Loading on sv 381 (17/05) @07.45am from Punggol East SD

      Punggol East -- 00 (0/0)

      Punggol Field -- 04 (0/4), 07 (0/3)

      Edgefield Plains -- 13 (0/6)

      Punggol Central -- 17 (-1/5), 16 (-3/2), 07 (-9/0), 07 (0/0)

      Punggol Way -- 05 (-5/3)

      Punggol Field -- 13 (-2/10), 18 (-1/6)

      * Few people use to transfer from Punggol West town to sv 43/117/118 at Soo Teck.

      * Punggol Field -> Punggol MRT had good loading, looks like 119/382 had not called.

    • Loading on 374 from Compassvale Interchange @ 17.55 on 10/5

      Compassvale Interchange -- 02 (0/2)

      Sengkang East Way -- 21 (0/19)

      Sengkang East Rd -- 24 (-1/4)

      Anchorvale St -- 24 (0/0)

      Anchorvale Crescent -- 24 (0/0), 12 (-12/0)

      Anchorvale Rd -- 10 (-4/2)

      Sengkang West Way -- 08 (-2/0), 04 (-4/0)* I alighted here.

      * Mainly serves Anchorvale Crescent.

  • dupdup77's Avatar
    3,061 posts since Nov '13
    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      Well I did say all the time 381 was a bad idea at this stage... even though others said NO... loading is miserable. I agree they should have launched a full day express service from Puggol to Little India/Orchard - it would have done well. 

      Hi mr busanalyser, if the purpose is to have super good loading, LTA can just simply introduce a service to connect to town. So easy. 

      However, the purpose is not. It is to connect the new bus stops along Punggol east to MRT. Most new services introduced will experience such loading. Even 374 loading is equally bad. Its purpose is also to connect new stops to compassvale int. On your account of poor loading, many services which are needed will not have been introduced. Cheers. Thanks.

       

      Edited by dupdup77 21 May `17, 6:41PM
  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,584 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      Loading on sv 83 (17/05) @ 07.20am from Sengkang Interchange DD

      Sengkang Interchange -- 07 (0/7)

      Sengkang East Rd -- 12 (0/5), 14 (0/2)

      Compassvale St -- 17 (-2/5), 24 (-1/8)

      Punggol Road -- 18 (-9/3), 17 (-4/3)

      Punggol Field -- 18 (-1/2), 16 (-4/2), 14 (-4/2)

      Punggol East -- 12 (-2/0) I alighted here. 

      Loading on sv 381 (17/05) @07.45am from Punggol East SD

      Punggol East -- 00 (0/0)

      Punggol Field -- 04 (0/4), 07 (0/3)

      Edgefield Plains -- 13 (0/6)

      Punggol Central -- 17 (-1/5), 16 (-3/2), 07 (-9/0), 07 (0/0)

      Punggol Way -- 05 (-5/3)

      Punggol Field -- 13 (-2/10), 18 (-1/6)

      * Few people use to transfer from Punggol West town to sv 43/117/118 at Soo Teck.

      * Punggol Field -> Punggol MRT had good loading, looks like 119/382 had not called.

      And 83 use full DDs πŸ˜‚ 4 DD and 4 SD is more than enough

  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,525 posts since May '12
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      And 83 use full DDs πŸ˜‚ 4 DD and 4 SD is more than enough

      Full SD fleet is also okay at this stage.

    • Loading on 46 @ 07.44 from Tampines Interchange DD

      Tampines Interchange -- 00 (0/0)

      Tampines Ave 5 -- 02 (0/2), 13 (0/11)

      Tampines St 83 -- 19 (0/6), 25 (0/6)

      Tampines Ave 3 -- 28 (-4/7), 27 (-4/3)

      Tampines Ave 4 -- 27 (-3/3)

      Bedok Reservoir Rd -- 27 (0/0), 21 (-9/3) 

      Bedok North Ave 3 -- 24 (0/3), 25 (-2/3)

      Bedok North Road -- 20 (-9/3), 16 (-6/2), 14 (-2/0), 12 (-2/0) I alighted here. 

      * Peak loading = 28 pax @ Tampines Ave 3.

      * Beautiful that the bus leaves with 0 pax from Tampines Interchange teeth.png

  • Sbs6750E's Avatar
    1,953 posts since May '15
    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      Loading on 46 @ 07.44 from Tampines Interchange DD

      Tampines Interchange -- 00 (0/0)

      Tampines Ave 5 -- 02 (0/2), 13 (0/11)

      Tampines St 83 -- 19 (0/6), 25 (0/6)

      Tampines Ave 3 -- 28 (-4/7), 27 (-4/3)

      Tampines Ave 4 -- 27 (-3/3)

      Bedok Reservoir Rd -- 27 (0/0), 21 (-9/3) 

      Bedok North Ave 3 -- 24 (0/3), 25 (-2/3)

      Bedok North Road -- 20 (-9/3), 16 (-6/2), 14 (-2/0), 12 (-2/0) I alighted here. 

      * Peak loading = 28 pax @ Tampines Ave 3.

      * Beautiful that the bus leaves with 0 pax from Tampines Interchange teeth.png


      Tsk tsk tsk. Cham lah!

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,584 posts since Nov '03
    • I did some loading observation(After work/Off days) for 

      svc 12,43,62,85 & 136.

      S12:Should maintain as it is...4-5 SD is just nice.Loadings has dropped slightly over the years.

      S43:Beside weekdays peak hours,I don't think full DD is justified with added buses and 43M.Can simply put 4 SD and 43M just need a couple of DD only.

      S62:3 DD to 3 SD should be more than fine.

      85:5 SD to replace 5 DD..Waste of fuel.

      136:Need 3 DD during AM school peak hour and 4 DD during weekends.

  • Redvelvett's Avatar
    14 posts since Sep '15
  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,525 posts since May '12
    • 301 @ 07.40 Rigid

      CCK Ave 5 -- 05 (0/5) ... not a single pax on ths bus when the bus arrived, 11 (0/6)

      Keat Hong Close -- 29 (0/18), 51 (0/22)

      CCK Ave 6 -- 63 (-1/13)

      CCK Ave 1 -- 69 (-2/7) ... around 5 pax were not able to board bus

      CCK Ave 2 -- 67 (-2/0) ... around 6 pax did not board bus, 69 (-3/5) all pax boarded - I alighted here. 

      300 @ 07.55 Bendy

      CCK Ave 2 -- 07 (0/2) ... people who were not able to board 301 might have boarded this bus

      CCK Way -- 10 (0/3)

      CCK Ave 3 -- 15 (0/5), 18 (-1/4), 17 (-5/3)

      CCK Ave 4 -- 45 (-3/31), 69 (-1/25), 69 (-2/2)

      * 58 pax board along CCK Ave 4 towards CCK MRT. 

      * 301 loading has become super high due to Keat Hong Close HDBs. Needs to become full fleet DD/bendy and 300 can have more rigids as its loading is mostly at ave 4 that can be supplemented with more DDs on 983. 

  • SG5064X's Avatar
    483 posts since Dec '16
    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      301 @ 07.40 Rigid

      CCK Ave 5 -- 05 (0/5) ... not a single pax on ths bus when the bus arrived, 11 (0/6)

      Keat Hong Close -- 29 (0/18), 51 (0/22)

      CCK Ave 6 -- 63 (-1/13)

      CCK Ave 1 -- 69 (-2/7) ... around 5 pax were not able to board bus

      CCK Ave 2 -- 67 (-2/0) ... around 6 pax did not board bus, 69 (-3/5) all pax boarded - I alighted here. 

      300 @ 07.55 Bendy

      CCK Ave 2 -- 07 (0/2) ... people who were not able to board 301 might have boarded this bus

      CCK Way -- 10 (0/3)

      CCK Ave 3 -- 15 (0/5), 18 (-1/4), 17 (-5/3)

      CCK Ave 4 -- 45 (-3/31), 69 (-1/25), 69 (-2/2)

      * 58 pax board along CCK Ave 4 towards CCK MRT. 

      * 301 loading has become super high due to Keat Hong Close HDBs. Needs to become full fleet DD/bendy and 300 can have more rigids as its loading is mostly at ave 4 that can be supplemented with more DDs on 983. 

      How to increase  300 demand?Quite disappointed with 300 though 

  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,525 posts since May '12
    • Loading on 178 @ 17.45 from Boon Lay Interchange

      Boon Lay Interchange -- 24 (0/24)

      JW St 64 -- 24 (0/24)

      Boon Lay Way -- 25 (0/1), 24 (-1/0)

      Corporation Rd -- 25 (-1/2), 24 (-1/0), 14 (-10/0), 17 (0/3), 12 (-5/0), 11 (-3/2), 13 (-1/3)

      AYE -- 16 (-1/4), 18 (0/2), 18 (0/0), 18 (0/0)

      Jurong Townhall Rd -- 17 (-3/2), 17 (0/0), 10 (-7/0), 12 (0/2), 12 (0/0), 10 (-2/0), 12 (-2/5), 14 (-2/4)

      Bukit Batok Road -- 12 (0/0)

      Bukit Batok West Ave 3 -- 16 (0/4), 14 (-4/2), 14 (0/0),15 (-6/7) I alighted here.

      * Disastrous loading on 178 during prime PM peak all through

      * Bus in front = 12 min, Bus behind = 14 min. 

      * On average <20 pax throughout the route. Main loading of 20+ pax between Boon Lay and Taman Jurong (also available 30, 240 & 246).

      * I suspect the loading will improve at Woodlands Road & Marsiling estate. 

  • TIB 585L's Avatar
    9,162 posts since Apr '11
    • I find that part of 178 really redundant over the years. I only see it full at Sg Kadut

  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,525 posts since May '12
    • Originally posted by TIB 585L:

      I find that part of 178 really redundant over the years. I only see it full at Sg Kadut

      ever seen 178 with bad loading around Jurong and TJ. I thought Ill take it in peak hour to see and loading still poor. More so redundant after 49 provide direct connection between Taman Jurong and AYE to Jurong East. 

      178 can be cut short to Bukit Batok already. 66 covers Bukit Batok - Jurong East, 49 covers Jurong East - Taman Jurong.

      258 can be extended to loop at AYE to cover missing link between Corporation Rd and Boon Lay + providing direct link to Jurong West St 64/75/81/82 to Taman Jurong/Corporation Place.

      178 can have improved frequency between BBT and Woodlands, even some DDs can do well for this part of the route.

  • SMB315C's Avatar
    2,014 posts since Sep '14
    • Originally posted by TIB 585L:

      I find that part of 178 really redundant over the years. I only see it full at Sg Kadut

      Many people boarded 178 at opp Kranji Stn at 1900hr++ to 2100hr++ just now.. All buses packed full to door..

      (Meanwhile many workers boarded 925 last bus for CCK bound at Kranji Stn.. Full to door as well..)

  • TIB 585L's Avatar
    9,162 posts since Apr '11
    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      ever seen 178 with bad loading around Jurong and TJ. I thought Ill take it in peak hour to see and loading still poor. More so redundant after 49 provide direct connection between Taman Jurong and AYE to Jurong East. 

      178 can be cut short to Bukit Batok already. 66 covers Bukit Batok - Jurong East, 49 covers Jurong East - Taman Jurong.

      258 can be extended to loop at AYE to cover missing link between Corporation Rd and Boon Lay + providing direct link to Jurong West St 64/75/81/82 to Taman Jurong/Corporation Place.

      178 can have improved frequency between BBT and Woodlands, even some DDs can do well for this part of the route.


      sadly it is the only bus that travels on Corporation Rd from Corporation Dr to yung ho rd but i doubt got anyone take bus there

  • CZT's Avatar
    521 posts since Jun '16
    • My observations on my rides today:

      854 from Bedok to Yishun (cant remeber the Habit's rego but boarded it at about 937am)

      During the entire trip, there wasnt even more than 10 ppl on board at any time of the trip in the bendy bus, which was pretty shocking, given its heavy utilisation. Probably is becoz off peak but still operating at high freq, or bunching (which i doubt the case coz i dont see the bus catching up to another bus in front)

       

      256 (should be SBS3809R). Time: 2 plus pm. The entire trip from boon lay to joo koon saw NO ONE boarding the bus AT ALL, and it took less than 15 min to reach joo koon, much faster than the predicted 20 min by transitlink. Maybe the reason why it is going to be withdrawn...

  • Sbs6750E's Avatar
    1,953 posts since May '15
    • 374 loading still not there… hardly see any standing pax.
      On the other hand sv 43/M getting good loading to BGK MRT from Blk 286B stop.

  • SMB315C's Avatar
    2,014 posts since Sep '14
    • Originally posted by CZT:

      My observations on my rides today:

      256 (should be SBS3809R). Time: 2 plus pm. The entire trip from boon lay to joo koon saw NO ONE boarding the bus AT ALL, and it took less than 15 min to reach joo koon, much faster than the predicted 20 min by transitlink. Maybe the reason why it is going to be withdrawn...

      Boon Lay - Joo Koon parallel service.. Haha..

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,584 posts since Nov '03
    • 127 really need DDs ah?The only loadings i see if from Tampines Concourse if 969 havent comeπŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

  • CZT's Avatar
    521 posts since Jun '16
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      127 really need DDs ah?The only loadings i see if from Tampines Concourse if 969 havent comeπŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

      ikr, srsly why use DDs for that few stops?? Plus peak hours hows the loading to the industrial park?

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