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  • Path Light's Avatar
    1,717 posts since Feb '15
    • Originally posted by array88:

      Isn't cutting back services a part of rationalization? For example, if 171 is cut to Yishun - Bukit Panjang, it is considered rationalization.

      NEL rationalization involved shortening services too (e.g. 81, 103).

      Yes, it is

  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,373 posts since May '12
    • Loading on svc 258 @ 06.50 from Pioneer MRT DD

      Pioneer MRT -- 04 (0/4)

      JW St 61 -- 06 (0/2), 11 (0/5)

      JW St 71 -- 15 (-3/7)

      JW St 81 -- 31 (-1/17), 41 (-4/14)

      JW St 82 -- 54 (-3/16)

      JW St 75 -- 66 (-7/19), 74 (-1/9)

      JW St 64 -- 81 (0/7), 80 (-2/1), 00 (-80/0)

      loops around takes 04 minutes in total

      JW St 64 -- 02 (0/2), 05 (0/3)

      JW St 75 -- 08 (0/3), 14 (-1/7)

      JW St 82 -- 20 (0/6)

      JW St 81 -- 38 (0/18), 57 (-1/20)

      JW St 71 -- 68 (-4/15)

      JW St 61 -- 70 (-4/6), 74 (0/4)

      Pioneer MRT -- 67 (-32/27)

      I alighted here

      * Combined 256/258 has good DD worthy loading

      * 46 pax go from JW town to industrial estate with 27 boarding at Pioneer. This shows 258 serves a long distance purpose and DDs are good on this service.

      * Upper deck more than 70% full at all times

      * Looping point at JW St 64 is a waste because bus comes back empty. As I had recommended before maybe good to extend to Taman Jurong/AYE. This will provide good connection between JW and Taman Jurong estates than sending the bus back empty. (especially evening peak I can assume the bus goes empty all the way unlike AM).

    • Loading on svc 805 @ 07.20am

      Yishun Interchange -- 00 (left with no pax)

      Yishun Ave 2 -- 5 (0/5), 5 (0/0)

      Yishun Central -- 4 (-3/2)

      Yishun Ave 4 -- 4 (0/0), 3 (-1/0), 5 (0/2)

      Yishun Ave 1 -- 14 (-3/12), 24 (0/10), 29 (0/5)

      Yishun St 41 -- 44 (-1/16)

      Yishun Ring Road -- 50 (-2/8), 50 (-3/3) around 20 pax waiting for 860 which was right behind (A22)

      Yishun Ave 4 -- 60 (0/10), 68 (-1/9)

      Yishun Central -- 69 (-4/5) around 4 pax were not able to board

      Yishun Ave 2 -- 64 (-5/0), 12 (-52/0)

      * 805 will soon need DDs on massive fleet add

      * 805 is taking away loading from 812 from ave 4 to MRT

      * Even with flats along ave 1 and ave 4 not fully TOP and occupied, bus has reached maximum capacity. 

      * Will do well with DDs as those from ave 1/st 41 will prefer go upper deck.

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    19,951 posts since Nov '03
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    1,075 posts since Mar '16
  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,373 posts since May '12
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      Wahlao,You every svc you analyse all need DD huh bro?

      Are you sure I say that about every svc??? 46, 83, 85, 119, 127, 136, old 256...  (to number a few)...  don't just say anything bro. 

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    19,951 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      Are you sure I say that about every svc??? 46, 83, 85, 119, 127, 136, old 256...  (to number a few)...  don't just say anything bro. 

      Hahahahahaha πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

  • Travellator's Avatar
    17 posts since Aug '17
    • does anyone has the loading level of svc 89 and svc 27 during morning/evening peak hours? 

  • Hellenayula's Avatar
    8 posts since Aug '17
  • carbikebus's Avatar
    19,951 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by Travellator:

      does anyone has the loading level of svc 89 and svc 27 during morning/evening peak hours? 

      Obviously its heavy,27 loadings TPE-Tampines MRT & Tampines Ave 7/4/5 to Airport.

      Monday-Saturday 89 use full fleet DD while on Sundays/PHs you will see more single deckers.

  • Travellator's Avatar
    17 posts since Aug '17
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      Obviously its heavy,27 loadings TPE-Tampines MRT & Tampines Ave 7/4/5 to Airport.

      Monday-Saturday 89 use full fleet DD while on Sundays/PHs you will see more single deckers.

      I think 27's frequency is 5-10 min, so actually its quite good for a normal trunk route, but i still confuse why it's still heavy loading, maybe lack of duplicative svc for that stretch of Sengkang- Tamp Ave 10/9?? (except 168)

  • Sbs6750E's Avatar
    1,917 posts since May '15
    • Originally posted by Travellator:

      does anyone has the loading level of svc 89 and svc 27 during morning/evening peak hours? 


      89e i think is the FFW svc with highest loading. Only FFW svc to get DDs(full fleet some more) yet still quite packed. Easily can reach 90+ pax... Sv 89 weekend loading also quite good, SDs are packed to the dor during afternoons/evenings from DTE to Sengkang. This also applies to 109.

    • Originally posted by Travellator:

      I think 27's frequency is 5-10 min, so actually its quite good for a normal trunk route, but i still confuse why it's still heavy loading, maybe lack of duplicative svc for that stretch of Sengkang- Tamp Ave 10/9?? (except 168)


      Peak hrs freq is 3-4 mins(27/27A).

  • array88's Avatar
    1,371 posts since May '14
    • Originally posted by Sbs6750E:


      89e i think is the FFW svc with highest loading. Only FFW svc to get DDs(full fleet some more) yet still quite packed. Easily can reach 90+ pax... Sv 89 weekend loading also quite good, SDs are packed to the dor during afternoons/evenings from DTE to Sengkang. This also applies to 109.

      10e also used to have DDs. Not sure about now 

    • Originally posted by Travellator:

      I think 27's frequency is 5-10 min, so actually its quite good for a normal trunk route, but i still confuse why it's still heavy loading, maybe lack of duplicative svc for that stretch of Sengkang- Tamp Ave 10/9?? (except 168)

      To date, 27 is still the only direct service between Sengkang and Tampines, and the fastest service between Tampines Central and Changi Airport.

      Furthermore, 27 is prone to bunching due to tha large number of buses (as it cannot use DD) and traffic jams along TPE. It's very common to see a few 27 buses bunched together, the first one packed to the door while subsequent ones only have a few or no standing pax.

  • SBS2792K's Avatar
    92 posts since Jun '17
    • Originally posted by array88:

      10e also used to have DDs. Not sure about now 

      10e still have, full fleet

  • Travellator's Avatar
    17 posts since Aug '17
    • Thanks for all the info guys~

      And for the Hougang/Kovan residents, can i ask svc 112 and 113 which has the higher loading?

       

  • SBS7557R's Avatar
    5,317 posts since May '11
    • Not sure if anyone here really keeps track of the demand for express buses, so this is probably a first.

      Loading on sv 10e @ 1843 hrs on 170817 (last bus)

      As demand for most express services are directly between residential areas and the CBD/industrial/educational facilities, I've decided to split up the stops as follows:

      CBD stops (Boarding)

      Anson Rd - 3 (3)
      Robinson Rd - 9 (0/6), 14 (0/5), 18 (0/4)
      Fullerton Rd - 28 (0/10)
      Nicoll Highway - 30 (-2/4)

      Residential stops (Alighting)

      Mountbatten Rd - 26 (-4/0), 23 (-3/0)
      East Coast Rd - 21 (-2/0), 17 (-4/0), 15 (-2/0), 14 (-1/0), 13 (-1/0), 13 (0/0), 11 (-2/0)
      Upp East Coast Rd - 8 (-3/0), 7 (-1/0), 5 (-2/0), 5 (0/0), 4 (-1/0), 3 (-1/0), 3 (0/0), 2 (-1/0), 2 (0/0), 2 (0/0)
      Bedok Rd - 2 (0/0), 2 (0/0), 2 (-2/0)

      * 1 sv10 (SG1167J) arrived 1-2 mins before the last sv10e, so we'll take that into consideration

      * sv10e managed to overtake SG1167J (around Fullerton Rd) and reached Bedok Rd at least 10-20 mins prior, resulting in it even catching up with the front bus of sv10 (SBS7680S) in East Coast. Irregardless, both sv10 buses appear to have much higher demand than that of sv10e despite its speed (no thanks to its fares and freq)

      * 2 of the pax (likely tourists) took sv10e for 1 stop (from Fullerton Sq to Suntec)

      * So now the verdict is, with only around 30 pax using sv10e for the PM peak (I assume the loading should be a lot higher during AM peak), should sv10e just use SDs instead?

      Disclaimer: The above verdict is notwithstanding the fact that I boarded the last sv10e departure, which could probably mean that most ppl who wanted to take sv10e probably took the earlier departures instead. Another factor in play could be that the sv10 in front took hold of the bulk of sv10e's supposed loading.

  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,373 posts since May '12
    • Originally posted by Travellator:

      Thanks for all the info guys~

      And for the Hougang/Kovan residents, can i ask svc 112 and 113 which has the higher loading?

       

      Both don't have heavy loading, though 112 loading will be more than 113 any day!

    • Originally posted by array88:

      10e also used to have DDs. Not sure about now 

      10e still full fleet DD with 4/5 buses have 80-90 pax, last bus around 50-60 pax. PM loading is a bit lesser. 2/5 buses around 80-90 pax, 3/5 buses around 50-60 pax. 

    • Originally posted by SBS7557R:

      Not sure if anyone here really keeps track of the demand for express buses, so this is probably a first.

      Loading on sv 10e @ 1843 hrs on 170817 (last bus)

      As demand for most express services are directly between residential areas and the CBD/industrial/educational facilities, I've decided to split up the stops as follows:

      CBD stops (Boarding)

      Anson Rd - 3 (3)
      Robinson Rd - 9 (0/6), 14 (0/5), 18 (0/4)
      Fullerton Rd - 28 (0/10)
      Nicoll Highway - 30 (-2/4)

      Residential stops (Alighting)

      Mountbatten Rd - 26 (-4/0), 23 (-3/0)
      East Coast Rd - 21 (-2/0), 17 (-4/0), 15 (-2/0), 14 (-1/0), 13 (-1/0), 13 (0/0), 11 (-2/0)
      Upp East Coast Rd - 8 (-3/0), 7 (-1/0), 5 (-2/0), 5 (0/0), 4 (-1/0), 3 (-1/0), 3 (0/0), 2 (-1/0), 2 (0/0), 2 (0/0)
      Bedok Rd - 2 (0/0), 2 (0/0), 2 (-2/0)

      * 1 sv10 (SG1167J) arrived 1-2 mins before the last sv10e, so we'll take that into consideration

      * sv10e managed to overtake SG1167J (around Fullerton Rd) and reached Bedok Rd at least 10-20 mins prior, resulting in it even catching up with the front bus of sv10 (SBS7680S) in East Coast. Irregardless, both sv10 buses appear to have much higher demand than that of sv10e despite its speed (no thanks to its fares and freq)

      * 2 of the pax (likely tourists) took sv10e for 1 stop (from Fullerton Sq to Suntec)

      * So now the verdict is, with only around 30 pax using sv10e for the PM peak (I assume the loading should be a lot higher during AM peak), should sv10e just use SDs instead?

      Disclaimer: The above verdict is notwithstanding the fact that I boarded the last sv10e departure, which could probably mean that most ppl who wanted to take sv10e probably took the earlier departures instead. Another factor in play could be that the sv10 in front took hold of the bulk of sv10e's supposed loading.

      svc 10e should continue to be full fleet DD excpet maybe the last bus because if it is late, mostly everyone will go in svc 10 bus. Your loading is definitely affected by svc 10 just in front of it. AM loading is quite heavy on 4/5 buses. 

  • SBS2792K's Avatar
    92 posts since Jun '17
    • Originally posted by SBS7557R:

      Not sure if anyone here really keeps track of the demand for express buses, so this is probably a first.

      Loading on sv 10e @ 1843 hrs on 170817 (last bus)

      As demand for most express services are directly between residential areas and the CBD/industrial/educational facilities, I've decided to split up the stops as follows:

      CBD stops (Boarding)

      Anson Rd - 3 (3)
      Robinson Rd - 9 (0/6), 14 (0/5), 18 (0/4)
      Fullerton Rd - 28 (0/10)
      Nicoll Highway - 30 (-2/4)

      Residential stops (Alighting)

      Mountbatten Rd - 26 (-4/0), 23 (-3/0)
      East Coast Rd - 21 (-2/0), 17 (-4/0), 15 (-2/0), 14 (-1/0), 13 (-1/0), 13 (0/0), 11 (-2/0)
      Upp East Coast Rd - 8 (-3/0), 7 (-1/0), 5 (-2/0), 5 (0/0), 4 (-1/0), 3 (-1/0), 3 (0/0), 2 (-1/0), 2 (0/0), 2 (0/0)
      Bedok Rd - 2 (0/0), 2 (0/0), 2 (-2/0)

      * 1 sv10 (SG1167J) arrived 1-2 mins before the last sv10e, so we'll take that into consideration

      * sv10e managed to overtake SG1167J (around Fullerton Rd) and reached Bedok Rd at least 10-20 mins prior, resulting in it even catching up with the front bus of sv10 (SBS7680S) in East Coast. Irregardless, both sv10 buses appear to have much higher demand than that of sv10e despite its speed (no thanks to its fares and freq)

      * 2 of the pax (likely tourists) took sv10e for 1 stop (from Fullerton Sq to Suntec)

      * So now the verdict is, with only around 30 pax using sv10e for the PM peak (I assume the loading should be a lot higher during AM peak), should sv10e just use SDs instead?

      Disclaimer: The above verdict is notwithstanding the fact that I boarded the last sv10e departure, which could probably mean that most ppl who wanted to take sv10e probably took the earlier departures instead. Another factor in play could be that the sv10 in front took hold of the bulk of sv10e's supposed loading.

      1st few buses can easily have 10 ppl boarding at first stop

  • Travellator's Avatar
    17 posts since Aug '17
    • Loading level of Svc 131 from St. Michael terminal twds Bkt Merah @ 1421hrs (23/8/17)

       

      St. Michael estate -- 3 (0/3), 4(0/1), 5 (0/1), 9 (0/4)

      Balestier Rd -- 13 (0/4), 13 (-1/1), 14 (0/1)

      Thomson Rd -- 17 (0/3),

               15 (-10/8) ---->Novena MRT (many pax from St Michael/Balestier alighted here)

                 14 (-2/1)

      Norfolk Rd -- 13 (-1/0)

      Owen Rd -- 27 (-5/19)  ---> Pek Kio market (highest no. of pax boarded here)

      Dorset Rd -- 28 (0/1)

      Kg Java Rd -- 29 (0/1)

      Bkt Timah Rd -- 22 (-10/3) ---> Little India Stn

                              24 (-1/3)

      Bencoolen St -- 13 (-13/2) ---> NAFA campus (highest no. of pax alighted here)

      Bras Basah Rd -- 10 (-6/3), 11 (-1/2)

      Connaught Dr -- 10 (-1/0)

      Collyer Quay -- 12 (-3/5)

      Raffles Quay -- 17 (0/5)

      Shenton Way -- 16 (-3/2), 16 (-1/1)

      Keppel Rd -- 16 (-2/2), 17 (0/1)

      Telok Blangah Rd -- 19 (-3/5) ---> HarbourFront MRT

                                      18 (-2/1), 19 (-2/3), 18 (-1/0)

      Henderson Rd -- 19 (0/1)

      Telok Blangah Way -- 9 (-11/1)  ---> Telok Blangah Cres market

                                        9 (-2/2)

      Bkt Purmei Ave -- 9 (-2/2)

                                 9 (-2/2) ---> alighted here @ 1535hrs (74 min used)

       

      *Highest loading occured at Pek Kio due to it's the only svc that plies to Little India MRT, NAFA and city areas.

      *2nd highest loading occured between HarbourFront MRT to Telok Blangah Cres market.

      *In conclusion, demand is quite good during non-peak hours. I guess most likely loading during peak hours will be packed to the door?

       

       

       

      Edited by Travellator 03 Sep `17, 11:07AM
  • carbikebus's Avatar
    19,951 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by Travellator:

      Loading level of Svc 131 from St. Michael terminal twds Bkt Merah @ 1421hrs (23/8/17)

       

      St. Michael estate -- 3 (0/3), 4(0/1), 5 (0/1), 9 (0/4)

      Balestier Rd -- 13 (0/4), 13 (-1/1), 14 (0/1)

      Thomson Rd -- 17 (0/3),

               15 (-10/8) ---->Novena MRT (many pax from St Michael/Balestier alighted here)

                 14 (-2/1)

      Norfolk Rd -- 13 (-1/0)

      Owen Rd -- 27 (-5/19)  ---> Pek Kio market (highest no. of pax boarded here)

      Dorset Rd -- 28 (0/1)

      Kg Java Rd -- 29 (0/1)

      Bkt Timah Rd -- 22 (-10/3) ---> Little India Stn

                              24 (-1/3)

      Bencoolen St -- 13 (-13/2) ---> NAFA campus (highest no. of pax alighted here)

      Bras Basah Rd -- 10 (-6/3), 11 (-1/2)

      Connaught Dr -- 10 (-1/0)

      Collyer Quay -- 12 (-3/5)

      Raffles Quay -- 17 (0/5)

      Shenton Way -- 16 (-3/2), 16 (-1/1)

      Keppel Rd -- 16 (-2/2), 17 (0/1)

      Telok Blangah Rd -- 19 (-3/5) ---> HarbourFront MRT

                                      18 (-2/1), 19 (-2/3), 18 (-1/0)

      Henderson Rd -- 19 (0/1)

      Telok Blangah Way -- 9 (-11/1)  ---> Telok Blangah Cres market

                                        9 (-2/2)

      Bkt Purmei Ave -- 9 (-2/2)

                                 9 (-2/2) ---> alighted here @ 1535hrs (74 min used)

       

      *Highest loading occured at Pek Kio due to it's the only svc that plies to Little India MRT, NAFA and city areas.

      *2nd highest loading occured between HarbourFront MRT to Telok Blangah Cres market.

      *In conclusion, demand is quite good during non-peak hours. I guess most likely loading during peak hours will be packed to the door?

       

       

       

      So familiar eh your post

  • Travellator's Avatar
    17 posts since Aug '17
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