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  • Waynechew1003's Avatar
    101 posts since Apr '17
    • Originally posted by Travellator:

      Loading level of Svc 169 (DD) from Wlds Int  @ 1225pm (17/09/17 Sunday) Off Peak, Bus in front = 10min, Bus behind = 2min

       

      Wlds Int -- 18(0/18)

      Wlds Ave 9 -- 11(-8/1), 10(-1/0), 16(-1/7), 16(-4/4), 11(-5/0) *most pax from Wlds Int alighted along this road

      Wlds Ave 8 -- 11(0/0)

      Admiralty Rd West -- 20(-1/10), 21(0/1), 17(-9/5), 21(0/4), 25(0/4) *1st stop many foreign workers boarded the bus, whereas 3rd stop many SMRT BCs alighted.

      Admiralty Rd East -- 27(0/2)

      Sembawang Rd -- 26(-2/1), 28(0/2), 27(-1/0)

      Yishun Ave 2 -- 29(0/2), 31(0/2), 28(-4/1), 15(-23/10), 12(-3/0) *as expected, highest pax alighting/boarding activity at Yishun MRT

      Yishun Ave 3 -- 15(-1/4), 17(-2/4)

      Semb Rd -- 15(-2/0), 16(0/1), 14(-2/0), 14(-1/1)

      Upp Thomson Rd -- 12(-2/0), 12(-1/1), 15(-1/4), 16(0/1), 16(-1/1), 22(-1/7), 25(0/3) *start from JCU, boarding pax started to increase due to them heading to AMK Central/Int.

      AMK Ave 1 -- 26(-2/3), 30(0/4)

      AMK Ave 3 -- 32(-1/3), 34(-1/3), 28(-6/0)

      AMK Int -- 0(-28/0) *I alighted here @ 1:34pm (69min used)

       

      * Highest no. of pax = 34, along AMK Ave 3, mostly heading to AMK Int, justified by highest no. of pax alighting at Int.

      *2nd highest no. of pax = 31, along Yishun Ave 2, two stops before Yishun MRT

      *Loading is quite good even at Sunday. Upper deck is a quarter full and lower deck all sitting occupied at its peak loading. DD provided commuters with a comfortable ride, if not SD will be packed.

      Those who frequent this svc, I think during weekday peak even DD will be fully packed within the Admiralty industrial area??

       

       

      3/4 or full depends cause 169 freq are pretty good during peak

      for morning peak, DD will be Super full even after students alighted

  • SMB128B's Avatar
    4,895 posts since May '11
    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      Saturday evening loading on svc 150 @ 17.40

      Marine Crescent -- 02 (0/0)... 2 people on board

      Marine Terrace -- 02 (-2/2), 02 (0/0)

      Marine Parade Road -- 7 (0/5)

      Telok Karau Rd -- 10 (0/3), 13 (0/3), 15 (-1/3)

      Joo Chiat Place -- 17 (-3/5), 17 (0/0)

      Still Road -- 12  (-5/0)

      Changi Road -- 8 (-4/0)

      Jalan Turi -- 9 (-1/2)

      Eunos Interchange

      * Peak loading of 17 pax

      * Bus in front = 12 min. 

      * Svc 15 in front = 05 min, svc 155 in front = 05 min.

      * Bus departing Eunos Interchange left with 04 pax on board (some may board along Sims Ave)

      * Surely a loss making service as both weekday/weekend loading hasn't taken up. 

      I took 150 during PM peak on Monday. The bus was filled to the brim. 

      And to add context, a 155 just left 5 mins ago. 

    • Originally posted by array88:

      I was wondering, even before BSEP, did 372's Anchorvale - Punggol Rd sector also have poor loading? Or were the buses also packed to the door?

      If the loading is also poor, then this part of the route could have been improved.

      Loading is indeed weaker in the east than in the West..  but I always saw the east sector for looping services..

      Maybe they can revise where 372 loops back to anchorvale.. Or better still, since gekpohboy is so worried about eastern residents having to sit so long, can just make 372 a townlink so it plies either Sengkang or Compassvale twice..

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    19,951 posts since Nov '03
    • Hope you guys email LTA regarding that 83 & 85 doesnt need full DD..Weekends svc 3 need more DD..10-13 mins per bus,PGL Field only already filled up

  • AJQZC's Avatar
    1,010 posts since Sep '08
    • 150 towards Marine Terrace spotted at 1856hrs today turning from Sims Ave into Still Rd, about 35+ pax on board with standing.

  • Travellator's Avatar
    17 posts since Aug '17
    • Loading level of Svc 55 (DD) from Upp East Coast Ter  @ 2:31pm (30/08/17 Sunday) Off Peak, Bus in front = 9min, Bus behind = 17min

       

      Upp East Coast Ter -- 2(0/2)

      Upp East Coast Rd -- 3(0/1) *all other b/s no pax boarding/alighting activity

      Bedok South Ave 1 -- no pax boarding/alighting activity

      Marine Parade Rd -- 4(0/1), 5(0/1), 7(0/2)

      Still Rd -- 9(0/2), 10(0/1), 10(-1/1)

      Jln Eunos -- 10(-5/5), 9(-1/0) *2nd highest pax boarding/alighting activity occured at Eunos MRT

      HG Ave 3 -- 8(-1/0), 7(-2/1), 6(-1/0), 4(-2/0)

      HG Ave 2 -- 2(-3/1), 4(0/2)

      AMK Ave 3 -- 4(-1/1), 7(0/3), 9(0/2), 8(-2/1)

      AMK Ave 10 -- 19(-1/12), 18(-6/5), 20(-1/3) *I alighted here @ 3:31pm (60min used)

       

      *Off peak demand is very weak throughout the route, maybe due to front bus only 9 min apart. Demand only start to pick up significantly at AMK Ave 10.

      *Highest loading = 20 pax occured at AMK Ave 10 at the bus stop I alighted. Therefore we can see that most ppl take this route for travelling to Bishan MRT from nearby AMK estate. This is also due to less bus svc in AMK Ave 10 (only svc 45 and 55).

      I guess peak hour weekday demand should be way better??

       

  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,373 posts since May '12
    • Originally posted by Travellator:

      Loading level of Svc 55 (DD) from Upp East Coast Ter  @ 2:31pm (30/08/17 Sunday) Off Peak, Bus in front = 9min, Bus behind = 17min

       

      Upp East Coast Ter -- 2(0/2)

      Upp East Coast Rd -- 3(0/1) *all other b/s no pax boarding/alighting activity

      Bedok South Ave 1 -- no pax boarding/alighting activity

      Marine Parade Rd -- 4(0/1), 5(0/1), 7(0/2)

      Still Rd -- 9(0/2), 10(0/1), 10(-1/1)

      Jln Eunos -- 10(-5/5), 9(-1/0) *2nd highest pax boarding/alighting activity occured at Eunos MRT

      HG Ave 3 -- 8(-1/0), 7(-2/1), 6(-1/0), 4(-2/0)

      HG Ave 2 -- 2(-3/1), 4(0/2)

      AMK Ave 3 -- 4(-1/1), 7(0/3), 9(0/2), 8(-2/1)

      AMK Ave 10 -- 19(-1/12), 18(-6/5), 20(-1/3) *I alighted here @ 3:31pm (60min used)

       

      *Off peak demand is very weak throughout the route, maybe due to front bus only 9 min apart. Demand only start to pick up significantly at AMK Ave 10.

      *Highest loading = 20 pax occured at AMK Ave 10 at the bus stop I alighted. Therefore we can see that most ppl take this route for travelling to Bishan MRT from nearby AMK estate. This is also due to less bus svc in AMK Ave 10 (only svc 45 and 55).

      I guess peak hour weekday demand should be way better??

       

      Firstly, I have to say nice to see you here. Your style on loading analysis is pretty similar to mine. Well drafted. 

      I have two cents to offer - It would be productive and worthwhile if you did the loading analysis on weekdays AM and PM peak rather than off-peak. You can never judge any service by its off-peak loading. 

      svc 55 ofcourse on weekdays peak is packed between Bishan and Eunos. Towards Eunos, its loading also depends on if 25/854 is right in front. The Still - Marine Parade - UEC mostly has weak loading.

  • SMB128B's Avatar
    4,895 posts since May '11
    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      Firstly, I have to say nice to see you here. Your style on loading analysis is pretty similar to mine. Well drafted. 

      I have two cents to offer - It would be productive and worthwhile if you did the loading analysis on weekdays AM and PM peak rather than off-peak. You can never judge any service by its off-peak loading. 

      svc 55 ofcourse on weekdays peak is packed between Bishan and Eunos. Towards Eunos, its loading also depends on if 25/854 is right in front. The Still - Marine Parade - UEC mostly has weak loading.

      Then I suggest you do an analysis for 150 during peak too

  • Travellator's Avatar
    17 posts since Aug '17
    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      Firstly, I have to say nice to see you here. Your style on loading analysis is pretty similar to mine. Well drafted. 

      I have two cents to offer - It would be productive and worthwhile if you did the loading analysis on weekdays AM and PM peak rather than off-peak. You can never judge any service by its off-peak loading. 

      svc 55 ofcourse on weekdays peak is packed between Bishan and Eunos. Towards Eunos, its loading also depends on if 25/854 is right in front. The Still - Marine Parade - UEC mostly has weak loading.

      Thanks for your info, and nice to see u too.

      What I'm doing is the analysis of off-peak hour demand, because some services' demand also very good at off-peak. My working hours don't allow me to observe peak hour demands.

       

  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,373 posts since May '12
    • Loading on svc 155 @ 17.18 from Toa Payoh Interchange

      Toa Payoh Interchange -- 16 (0/16)

      Lor 6 TPY -- 20 (0/4)

      Lor 4 TPY -- 24 (0/4), 26 (0/2)

      Lor 6 TPY -- 28 (0/2)

      Bradell Road -- 17 (-14/3), 19 (-3/5), 18 (-1/0), 18 (0/0), 18 (0/0)

      Upper Serangoon Rd -- 21 (0/3), 20 (-5/4)

      Upper Aljunied Rd -- 19 (-1/0), 19 (-2/2), 14 (-5/0)

      Aljunied Rd -- 13 (-3/2)

      Mattar Rd -- 12 (-3/2), 12 (0/0)

      Circuit Rd -- 13 (-3/4), 13 (-3/3), 13 (-3/3)

      Pipit Rd -- 12 (-3/2)

      Circuit Rd -- 15 (0/3)

      Merpati Rd -- 15 (0/0), 15 (0/0)

      Aljunied Rd -- 16 (-2/3), 15 (-3/2)

      Geylang East Central -- 15 (-4/4), 13 (-5/3), 15 (0/2)

      Paya Lebar MRT -- 46 (-4/35)

      Sims Ave -- 46 (-3/3), 52 (-3/9), 68 (-8/24)

      Still Road -- 67 (-4/3)

      Joo Chiat Place -- 63 (-7/3)

      Telok Karau Rd -- 55 (-10/2), 47 (-11/3), 37 (-13/3)

      East Coast Rd -- 33 (-4/0), 28 (-5/0), 24 (-4/0), 14 (-10/0)

      Siglap Rd -- 13 (-3/2)

      Marine Parade Rd -- 10 (-3/0), 8 (-2/0)

      Bedok South Ave 1 -- 6 (-6/4), 6 (0/0)

      Bedok South Rd -- 6 (0/0), 6 (0/0)

      Bedok MRT -- 13 (-5/12), 4 (-9/0)

      Bedok North Ave 3 -- 1 (-3/0)

      Bedok North St 1 -- 3 (-1/3)

      Bedok Interchange -- 00 (-3/0)

      * Loading on 155 is pathetic apart from Paya Lebar - UEC Road

      * 150 provides relief to 155 between Eunos and Telok Karau

      * 155 has two absolute rubbish loops - one in Macpherson to connect to Geylang East Central and the other from Marine Parade - Bedok MRT - Interchange. Loading on the bus during peak PM is <20 pax throughout except for Paya Lebar - UEC sector. 

  • AJQZC's Avatar
    1,010 posts since Sep '08
    • After DTL3 opening, services with expected loading increases:  

      3, 9, 18, 29, 38, 46, 60, 118, 293

      (Mainly due to unique/improved DTL3 connection, better than other services)

      =============================

      Expected loading reductions:

      5, 8, 15, 22, 23(?), 28, 59, 63, 65, 66, 225, 228, 291, 292

      (Mostly due to duplications with DTL3 sections or loss of priority due to alternative links to DTL from other services)

      =============================

      And so on (feel free to add/correct)

      Edited by AJQZC 27 Sep `17, 1:02AM
  • array88's Avatar
    1,371 posts since May '14
    • Originally posted by AJQZC:

      After DTL3 opening, services with expected loading increases:  

      3, 9, 18, 29, 38, 46, 60, 118, 293

      (Mainly due to unique/improved DTL3 connection, better than other services)

      =============================

      Expected loading reductions:

      5, 8, 15, 22, 23(?), 28, 59, 63, 65, 66, 225, 228, 291, 292

      (Mostly due to duplications with DTL3 sections or loss of priority due to alternative links to DTL from other services)

      =============================

      And so on (feel free to add/correct)

      I guess most services at Geylang Bahru area will have loading reductions except 140...

      Also, not sure if 60's loading will indeed improve. Its loading is mainly from Bedok Reservoir Rd to Eunos/Bedok stations, and now these residents can simply take DTL and walk, or transfer to other services at Ubi/Bedok North MRT.

      Edited by array88 27 Sep `17, 4:13AM
    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      Loading on svc 155 @ 17.18 from Toa Payoh Interchange

      Toa Payoh Interchange -- 16 (0/16)

      Lor 6 TPY -- 20 (0/4)

      Lor 4 TPY -- 24 (0/4), 26 (0/2)

      Lor 6 TPY -- 28 (0/2)

      Bradell Road -- 17 (-14/3), 19 (-3/5), 18 (-1/0), 18 (0/0), 18 (0/0)

      Upper Serangoon Rd -- 21 (0/3), 20 (-5/4)

      Upper Aljunied Rd -- 19 (-1/0), 19 (-2/2), 14 (-5/0)

      Aljunied Rd -- 13 (-3/2)

      Mattar Rd -- 12 (-3/2), 12 (0/0)

      Circuit Rd -- 13 (-3/4), 13 (-3/3), 13 (-3/3)

      Pipit Rd -- 12 (-3/2)

      Circuit Rd -- 15 (0/3)

      Merpati Rd -- 15 (0/0), 15 (0/0)

      Aljunied Rd -- 16 (-2/3), 15 (-3/2)

      Geylang East Central -- 15 (-4/4), 13 (-5/3), 15 (0/2)

      Paya Lebar MRT -- 46 (-4/35)

      Sims Ave -- 46 (-3/3), 52 (-3/9), 68 (-8/24)

      Still Road -- 67 (-4/3)

      Joo Chiat Place -- 63 (-7/3)

      Telok Karau Rd -- 55 (-10/2), 47 (-11/3), 37 (-13/3)

      East Coast Rd -- 33 (-4/0), 28 (-5/0), 24 (-4/0), 14 (-10/0)

      Siglap Rd -- 13 (-3/2)

      Marine Parade Rd -- 10 (-3/0), 8 (-2/0)

      Bedok South Ave 1 -- 6 (-6/4), 6 (0/0)

      Bedok South Rd -- 6 (0/0), 6 (0/0)

      Bedok MRT -- 13 (-5/12), 4 (-9/0)

      Bedok North Ave 3 -- 1 (-3/0)

      Bedok North St 1 -- 3 (-1/3)

      Bedok Interchange -- 00 (-3/0)

      * Loading on 155 is pathetic apart from Paya Lebar - UEC Road

      * 150 provides relief to 155 between Eunos and Telok Karau

      * 155 has two absolute rubbish loops - one in Macpherson to connect to Geylang East Central and the other from Marine Parade - Bedok MRT - Interchange. Loading on the bus during peak PM is <20 pax throughout except for Paya Lebar - UEC sector. 

      [Deleted]

      Also, I guess your analysis started a bit too early for demand at TPY/Woodleigh to reach the peak. Or there's 100/135 in front from Woodleigh to Upper Aljunied.

      Edited by array88 29 Sep `17, 8:34AM
  • TPS Timothy Mok's Avatar
    1,107 posts since Aug '07
    • Originally posted by AJQZC:

      After DTL3 opening, services with expected loading increases:  

      3, 9, 18, 29, 38, 46, 60, 118, 293

      (Mainly due to unique/improved DTL3 connection, better than other services)

      =============================

      Expected loading reductions:

      5, 8, 15, 22, 23(?), 28, 59, 63, 65, 66, 225, 228, 291, 292

      (Mostly due to duplications with DTL3 sections or loss of priority due to alternative links to DTL from other services)

      =============================

      And so on (feel free to add/correct)

      Once service 18 is diverted via Tampines Street 32, 33 and 34 as the loading has dramatically been low and it will drop, service 8 must stay within Tampines Avenue 2 and 7 for the fastest link. Anyway, East View Secondary School is about to close down soon so don't have to worry.

      Service 23, 65, 67 and EWL (Tanah Merah - City Hall) will sure buang.

  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,373 posts since May '12
    • Originally posted by array88:

      155's MacPherson loop does link the entire MacPherson estate to Aljunied MRT, besides 40 (which has poor frequency), although I'm not sure about the demand. Have you observed loading in the opposite direction?

      Also, I guess your analysis started a bit too early for demand at TPY/Woodleigh to reach the peak. Or there's 100/135 in front from Woodleigh to Upper Aljunied.

      155 does not go to Aljunied MRT. There is 40/63/158 from Macpherson Estate to Aljunied MRT. I think but was in prime PM peak when it was at Woodleigh - not really a timing issue. I think there just aren't enough people on the route. 

    • Originally posted by AJQZC:

      After DTL3 opening, services with expected loading increases:  

      3, 9, 18, 29, 38, 46, 60, 118, 293

      (Mainly due to unique/improved DTL3 connection, better than other services)

      =============================

      Expected loading reductions:

      5, 8, 15, 22, 23(?), 28, 59, 63, 65, 66, 225, 228, 291, 292

      (Mostly due to duplications with DTL3 sections or loss of priority due to alternative links to DTL from other services)

      =============================

      And so on (feel free to add/correct)

      118 loading already high - not sure it will make a big difference. 293 loading will get evened out between Tampines east and Tampines central. 60 loading is ought to drop and not increase.

      I think 5 may not be affected as much as it is point-to-point service. Why 63 loading will be affected? 225 loading may get split with 137. 228 loading should increase on the contrary.

  • array88's Avatar
    1,371 posts since May '14
    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      155 does not go to Aljunied MRT. There is 40/63/158 from Macpherson Estate to Aljunied MRT. I think but was in prime PM peak when it was at Woodleigh - not really a timing issue. I think there just aren't enough people on the route. 

      Sorry, recalled wrongly.

    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      118 loading already high - not sure it will make a big difference. 293 loading will get evened out between Tampines east and Tampines central. 60 loading is ought to drop and not increase.

      I think 5 may not be affected as much as it is point-to-point service. Why 63 loading will be affected? 225 loading may get split with 137. 228 loading should increase on the contrary.

      I think his point about 63 is that some of its loading at Ubi Ave 1 will be taken away by 137.

  • lemon1974's Avatar
    9,285 posts since Dec '04
    • sv50 DD (3748) pick up around 50-60 paxes at 3 bus stops along amk ave 8 toward bishan at around 840am this morning... 

  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,373 posts since May '12
    • Loading on svc 18 @ 17.45 from Bedok Interchange

      Bedok Interchange -- 34 (0/34)

      Bedok North Ave 2 -- 30 (-8/4)

      Bedok North Road -- 20 (-13/3)

      Bedok North Ave 3 -- 22 (-2/4), 21 (-3/2)

      Bedok Reservoir Rd -- 19 (-7/5), 19 (0/0)

      Tampines Ave 1 -- 35 (-2/18)

      Tampines Ave 2 -- 33 (-8/6), 32 (-5/4), 27 (-8/3), 24 (-10/7)

      Tampines Ave 7 -- 18 (-10/4), 14 (-4/0), 12 (-2/0), 4 (-8/0) I alighted here. 

      * Peak loading = 35 pax during PM peak

      * Shows modifying svc 18 is a good choice as current peak hour demand not great, just a supplementary service

      * 4 pax go to Tampines Concourse 

    • Loading on svc 38 @ 18.25 from Tampines Regional  Library The bus came from Tampines Interchange with 43 pax on board Tampines Ave 7 -- 49 (0/6), 46 (-5/2), 40 (-9/3), 31 (-13/4) Tampines Ave 2 -- 35 (-15/19) 16 pax went from Tampines...

  • TPS Timothy Mok's Avatar
    1,107 posts since Aug '07
    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      Loading on svc 18 @ 17.45 from Bedok Interchange

      Bedok Interchange -- 34 (0/34)

      Bedok North Ave 2 -- 30 (-8/4)

      Bedok North Road -- 20 (-13/3)

      Bedok North Ave 3 -- 22 (-2/4), 21 (-3/2)

      Bedok Reservoir Rd -- 19 (-7/5), 19 (0/0)

      Tampines Ave 1 -- 35 (-2/18)

      Tampines Ave 2 -- 33 (-8/6), 32 (-5/4), 27 (-8/3), 24 (-10/7)

      Tampines Ave 7 -- 18 (-10/4), 14 (-4/0), 12 (-2/0), 4 (-8/0) I alighted here. 

      * Peak loading = 35 pax during PM peak

      * Shows modifying svc 18 is a good choice as current peak hour demand not great, just a supplementary service

      * 4 pax go to Tampines Concourse 

      everything all in falling dominos.

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    19,951 posts since Nov '03
    • Observed svc 150 today

       

      Off peak average of 12-19 pax

      Peak fully seated to 10-12 standees

  • Waynechew1003's Avatar
    101 posts since Apr '17
    • Originally posted by AJQZC:

      After DTL3 opening, services with expected loading increases:  

      3, 9, 18, 29, 38, 46, 60, 118, 293

      (Mainly due to unique/improved DTL3 connection, better than other services)

      =============================

      Expected loading reductions:

      5, 8, 15, 22, 23(?), 28, 59, 63, 65, 66, 225, 228, 291, 292

      (Mostly due to duplications with DTL3 sections or loss of priority due to alternative links to DTL from other services)

      =============================

      And so on (feel free to add/correct)

      23 should be around the same as passenger do not want to take a big loop via town then to Rochor or Little India and there is student take tat bus service also.

      291 and 292 will be still ok 

      28 will still remain high esp between tai Seng to Bedok and beyond 

      46 loading may be even lower esp between tamp West - Tampines int cause tat is the main loading and when 298 starts running. Loading will be even lower

      59 should be high also. Esp between kaki Bukit -TPY

      8 still will remain high. Students from tp and Ubi still need to rely it to go to MacPherson Road. Esp MacPherson road there as a lot of buildings . Loading expected from MacPherson road -Tamp east

    • Originally posted by TPS Timothy Mok:

      Once service 18 is diverted via Tampines Street 32, 33 and 34 as the loading has dramatically been low and it will drop, service 8 must stay within Tampines Avenue 2 and 7 for the fastest link. Anyway, East View Secondary School is about to close down soon so don't have to worry.

      Service 23, 65, 67 and EWL (Tanah Merah - City Hall) will sure buang.

      Esp between expo and Changi Airport 

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