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  • array88's Avatar
    1,489 posts since May '14
    • Originally posted by Waynechew1003:

      23 should be around the same as passenger do not want to take a big loop via town then to Rochor or Little India and there is student take tat bus service also.

      291 and 292 will be still ok 

      28 will still remain high esp between tai Seng to Bedok and beyond 

      46 loading may be even lower esp between tamp West - Tampines int cause tat is the main loading and when 298 starts running. Loading will be even lower

      59 should be high also. Esp between kaki Bukit -TPY

      8 still will remain high. Students from tp and Ubi still need to rely it to go to MacPherson Road. Esp MacPherson road there as a lot of buildings . Loading expected from MacPherson road -Tamp east

      Pax who do not want to go to Rochor via that big loop can alight at Jalan Besar and walk.

      46 will lose some of its loading between Tampines Central and west, but will gain loading between Tampines West MRT and Tampines West estate, and also between Bedok Reservoir MRT and Bedok Nth Rd (Fengshan).

  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,628 posts since May '12
    • Loading on svc 47 @ 18.10 from CBP DD

      Changi Business Park Central -- 40 (0/36)... 4 students on board from terminal

      Changi South Ave 2 -- 73 (0/33)... still so many private buses.. especially spotted DBS

      Changi South Ave 1 -- 79 (0/6)

      Xilin Ave -- 79 (0/0) 

      New Upper Changi Road -- 81 (0/2), 79 (-2/0)

      Tanah Merah MRT -- 58 (-41/20) ... more than half the bus alighted here.

      Bedok South Ave 3 -- 54 (-4/0) ... I alighted here.

      * svc 35 DD was packed to door when it passed at Xilin. 

      * Peak loading is CBP <> Tanah Merah, after which loading will go on dropping

      * Not sure when CBP has so much demand, why LTA is ot introducing/extending more services to CBP terminal, especially when it also has capacity. Every service seems to be extended to UEC terminal even though it is quite sparsely populated today. 

      * Private buses still in business partly due to fault of LTA of not introducing more services even though 20, 47 and 118 have proved super successful. 

      * Still should consider extending 46 to CBP given its poor loading. Can help 47 between Tanah Merah and CBP. 

       

  • SMB1368T's Avatar
    1,257 posts since Mar '16
  • lemon1974's Avatar
    9,561 posts since Dec '04
    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      Loading on svc 47 @ 18.10 from CBP DD

      Changi Business Park Central -- 40 (0/36)... 4 students on board from terminal

      Changi South Ave 2 -- 73 (0/33)... still so many private buses.. especially spotted DBS

      Changi South Ave 1 -- 79 (0/6)

      Xilin Ave -- 79 (0/0) 

      New Upper Changi Road -- 81 (0/2), 79 (-2/0)

      Tanah Merah MRT -- 58 (-41/20) ... more than half the bus alighted here.

      Bedok South Ave 3 -- 54 (-4/0) ... I alighted here.

      * svc 35 DD was packed to door when it passed at Xilin. 

      * Peak loading is CBP <> Tanah Merah, after which loading will go on dropping

      * Not sure when CBP has so much demand, why LTA is ot introducing/extending more services to CBP terminal, especially when it also has capacity. Every service seems to be extended to UEC terminal even though it is quite sparsely populated today. 

      * Private buses still in business partly due to fault of LTA of not introducing more services even though 20, 47 and 118 have proved super successful. 

      * Still should consider extending 46 to CBP given its poor loading. Can help 47 between Tanah Merah and CBP. 

       

      nothing wrong with all those private buses...

      they are paid for by the companies there such as DBS...if these companies are willing to pay for the private buses for their staff, we should be happy, cos we (taxpayers) wont have to subsidy more services. 

      we cant keep on putting more new services/extending more new services, when the main demand at CBP are during peak hours..

      My relative stay in AMK but work in DBS CBP.. she said that if there is no free shuttle from TPY to CBP, she wont be working there...  if no free shuttle, she will have to take feeder to AMK Mrt, then to Bishan MRT --> CCL --> EWL, then transfer another bus to get to DBS..   if there is a bus service from AMK to CBP, how long it will take? at least 1 1/2 hrs travel time unless it is express.  the free shuttle from TPY to CBP use PIE and took around 30 mins...and there are definitely seats available. 

  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,628 posts since May '12
    • Originally posted by lemon1974:

      nothing wrong with all those private buses...

      they are paid for by the companies there such as DBS...if these companies are willing to pay for the private buses for their staff, we should be happy, cos we (taxpayers) wont have to subsidy more services. 

      we cant keep on putting more new services/extending more new services, when the main demand at CBP are during peak hours..

      My relative stay in AMK but work in DBS CBP.. she said that if there is no free shuttle from TPY to CBP, she wont be working there...  if no free shuttle, she will have to take feeder to AMK Mrt, then to Bishan MRT --> CCL --> EWL, then transfer another bus to get to DBS..   if there is a bus service from AMK to CBP, how long it will take? at least 1 1/2 hrs travel time unless it is express.  the free shuttle from TPY to CBP use PIE and took around 30 mins...and there are definitely seats available. 

      You have a point :)

  • Marvel68's Avatar
    312 posts since Oct '14
    • Some general observations on 123's loading since its extension to Sentosa...

      IMO, 123 is not really a popular choice among Sentosa-goers as the loading during weekends between Tiong Bahru MRT and Sentosa is actually kind of poor as most pax alight at Bukit Purmei and only a handful (usually about 10 or even less) pax remain all the way till Sentosa. During weekdays peak, loading still remains strong but only between Tiong Bahru and Bukit Purmei and becomes kosong towards Sentosa while 123M has decent load to/from HBF. Loading during off peak is not really DD worthy as it is complemented well by 123M from Tiong Bahru to Lower Delta - don't really see much pax going up to the upper deck. Loading patterns remain relatively the same as before extension from Orchard/Havelock/Bukit Merah - remains moderate.

      I suggest building a pair of bus stops for 123 along Sentosa Gateway right outside VivoCity so that pax can still take 123 should they be heading towards HBF (albeit have to cross the overhead bridge and walk slightly more than 123M's stop at the entrance) and also pax taking from Sentosa can still choose to alight at HBF.

  • Path Light's Avatar
    2,074 posts since Feb '15
    • Observations on 67's loading

      67 seems to have lesser passengers due to several of them taking DTL2. Same for 171.

  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,628 posts since May '12
    • Loading on svc 110 @ Compassvale @07.44am

      Compassvale -- 08 (0/8)

      Compassvale Road -- 8 (0/0)

      Compassvale Dr -- 11 (0/3)

      Anchorvale Dr -- 15 (0/4), 17 (-1/3)

      Anchorvale Rd -- 18 (-3/4), 21 (0/3)

      Anchorvale St -- 25 (-1/5), 27 (0/2)

      Sengkang East Rd -- 28 (-4/5)

      TPE Punggol -- 55 (-11/38) * I alighted here.

      ** Main loading is from TPE Punggol stop to Changi Airport. Relieves loading on svc 858. Saw many people from 89 and 27 alight at this stop to take 110.

      ** Only 17 pax from Sengkang town take 110 to airport. 

      ** Loading within Sengkang town still low, with nearly half taking the bus to transfer to other services at Sengkang East Rd / Punggol TPE stop

      ** Two 110 buses spotted in opposite direction were empty

      ** 2 mins later there was 858 A22 with around 50 pax on board. 

      ** No need for bendies yet on this service. SDs are doing the job well. 

  • lemon1974's Avatar
    9,561 posts since Dec '04
    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      Loading on svc 110 @ Compassvale @07.44am

      Compassvale -- 08 (0/8)

      Compassvale Road -- 8 (0/0)

      Compassvale Dr -- 11 (0/3)

      Anchorvale Dr -- 15 (0/4), 17 (-1/3)

      Anchorvale Rd -- 18 (-3/4), 21 (0/3)

      Anchorvale St -- 25 (-1/5), 27 (0/2)

      Sengkang East Rd -- 28 (-4/5)

      TPE Punggol -- 55 (-11/38) * I alighted here.

      ** Main loading is from TPE Punggol stop to Changi Airport. Relieves loading on svc 858. Saw many people from 89 and 27 alight at this stop to take 110.

      ** Only 17 pax from Sengkang town take 110 to airport. 

      ** Loading within Sengkang town still low, with nearly half taking the bus to transfer to other services at Sengkang East Rd / Punggol TPE stop

      ** Two 110 buses spotted in opposite direction were empty

      ** 2 mins later there was 858 A22 with around 50 pax on board. 

      ** No need for bendies yet on this service. SDs are doing the job well. 

      110 started already? Funny how u do this loading analysis?  

      Edited by lemon1974 10 Oct `17, 9:21PM
  • SBS 6238T's Avatar
    2,427 posts since Oct '12
    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      Loading on svc 110 @ Compassvale @07.44am

      Compassvale -- 08 (0/8)

      Compassvale Road -- 8 (0/0)

      Compassvale Dr -- 11 (0/3)

      Anchorvale Dr -- 15 (0/4), 17 (-1/3)

      Anchorvale Rd -- 18 (-3/4), 21 (0/3)

      Anchorvale St -- 25 (-1/5), 27 (0/2)

      Sengkang East Rd -- 28 (-4/5)

      TPE Punggol -- 55 (-11/38) * I alighted here.

      ** Main loading is from TPE Punggol stop to Changi Airport. Relieves loading on svc 858. Saw many people from 89 and 27 alight at this stop to take 110.

      ** Only 17 pax from Sengkang town take 110 to airport. 

      ** Loading within Sengkang town still low, with nearly half taking the bus to transfer to other services at Sengkang East Rd / Punggol TPE stop

      ** Two 110 buses spotted in opposite direction were empty

      ** 2 mins later there was 858 A22 with around 50 pax on board. 

      ** No need for bendies yet on this service. SDs are doing the job well. 

      Bro,110 start operate already meh? I thought 22 October then operate,right?

  • lemon1974's Avatar
    9,561 posts since Dec '04
    • Originally posted by SBS 6238T:

      Bro,110 start operate already meh? I thought 22 October then operate,right?

      Haha. Think he forget that it have not operate n just anyhow whack the loading. So what happen to those previous past analysis? 

  • AJQZC's Avatar
    1,040 posts since Sep '08
    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      Loading on svc 110 @ Compassvale @07.44am

      Compassvale -- 08 (0/8)

      Compassvale Road -- 8 (0/0)

      Compassvale Dr -- 11 (0/3)

      Anchorvale Dr -- 15 (0/4), 17 (-1/3)

      Anchorvale Rd -- 18 (-3/4), 21 (0/3)

      Anchorvale St -- 25 (-1/5), 27 (0/2)

      Sengkang East Rd -- 28 (-4/5)

      TPE Punggol -- 55 (-11/38) * I alighted here.

      ** Main loading is from TPE Punggol stop to Changi Airport. Relieves loading on svc 858. Saw many people from 89 and 27 alight at this stop to take 110.

      ** Only 17 pax from Sengkang town take 110 to airport. 

      ** Loading within Sengkang town still low, with nearly half taking the bus to transfer to other services at Sengkang East Rd / Punggol TPE stop

      ** Two 110 buses spotted in opposite direction were empty

      ** 2 mins later there was 858 A22 with around 50 pax on board. 

      ** No need for bendies yet on this service. SDs are doing the job well. 

      Either his account got hacked / someone is impersonating him, or he's got a really good time machine.

  • SMB1368T's Avatar
    1,257 posts since Mar '16
    • Maybe he can see the future with his eyes,  or even a psycho (remember Thats So Raven? Man I miss those days...lol)

      Yep thats me

      Edited by SMB1368T 10 Oct `17, 9:55PM
  • lemon1974's Avatar
    9,561 posts since Dec '04
    • Originally posted by AJQZC:

      Either his account got hacked / someone is impersonating him, or he's got a really good time machine.

      Dun think his account got hack. 

      So right now have serious doubt about all his previous loading analysis of all other services. 

  • SBS 6238T's Avatar
    2,427 posts since Oct '12
    • Originally posted by lemon1974:

      Dun think his account got hack. 

      So right now have serious doubt about all his previous loading analysis of all other services. 

      Same here,his previous loading analysis of all other services may not be true after all

  • SMB1368T's Avatar
    1,257 posts since Mar '16
    • Lets not have accusations about this matter first. We must look for evidence first before concluding 

  • phillipC's Avatar
    1,025 posts since Feb '05
  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,628 posts since May '12
    • No one has hacked my account and ofcourse I know the start date. It is me who did the loading analysis (as a simulation). I am on the CG4 implementation team, so I do know the operating days and hours. 

      Here is how simulation works. There is data that is worked on before launching services and I use my company one to determine for 110. 

      You take into account ezlink information on svc 27 departing from Sengkang town (Don't ask me how I get this info) to Changi. 

      Then you guesstimate those within Anchorvale west town. 

      Those observed from Sengkang East Rd and TPE Punggol are actuals based on real-time observation on svc 858 (previous to this one). 

      Maybe this is complicated and not the place for it and I'll be clear to specify next time I do one.  Cheers. 

  • array88's Avatar
    1,489 posts since May '14
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    10,628 posts since May '12
    • To be honest, it was never meant for the forum. This is my cheeky son who copy pasted it from my work word file. He will be a happy person today teeth.png

  • array88's Avatar
    1,489 posts since May '14
    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      No one has hacked my account and ofcourse I know the start date. It is me who did the loading analysis (as a simulation). I am on the CG4 implementation team, so I do know the operating days and hours. 

      Here is how simulation works. There is data that is worked on before launching services and I use my company one to determine for 110. 

      You take into account ezlink information on svc 27 departing from Sengkang town (Don't ask me how I get this info) to Changi. 

      Then you guesstimate those within Anchorvale west town. 

      Those observed from Sengkang East Rd and TPE Punggol are actuals based on real-time observation on svc 858 (previous to this one). 

      Maybe this is complicated and not the place for it and I'll be clear to specify next time I do one.  Cheers. 

      Did you take into account pax who take 858 from CGA to TPE bus stop and transfer to Sengkang town, instead of 27 direct?

  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,628 posts since May '12
    • Originally posted by array88:

      Did you take into account pax who take 858 from CGA to TPE bus stop and transfer to Sengkang town, instead of 27 direct?

      Yup!! 

    • That's a huge part of it. 

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