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  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,463 posts since May '12
    • Loading on svc 71 @ 7.30am from AMK Ave 3

      ** assuming starting point ** 

      AMK Ave 3 -- 13 (0/13)

      AMK Ave 1 -- 22 (0/9), 32 (0/10), 43 (-1/12), 55 (0/12), 68 (-1/14)

      Bishan Road -- 68 (0/0), 69 (-1/2), 17 (-60/8) Bishan MRT. I alighted here

      ** Pax from AMK Ave 1 prefer 71 to 262 when going southbound to city (CCL/NSL)

      ** DDs make sense as loading is high towards Bishan in AM and high in PM from Bishan to Mayflower estate, especially when bus picks some pax from AMK Ave 4 towards Bishan, loading can go 80+ pax

      ** 262 has arrived 05 mins before, and next 262 is after 03 mins. 

       

       

    • ** Route is simulated, just in case you don't get it ** 

  • array88's Avatar
    1,420 posts since May '14
    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      Loading on svc 71 @ 7.30am from AMK Ave 3

      ** assuming starting point ** 

      AMK Ave 3 -- 13 (0/13)

      AMK Ave 1 -- 22 (0/9), 32 (0/10), 43 (-1/12), 55 (0/12), 68 (-1/14)

      Bishan Road -- 68 (0/0), 69 (-1/2), 17 (-60/8) Bishan MRT. I alighted here

      ** Pax from AMK Ave 1 prefer 71 to 262 when going southbound to city (CCL/NSL)

      ** DDs make sense as loading is high towards Bishan in AM and high in PM from Bishan to Mayflower estate, especially when bus picks some pax from AMK Ave 4 towards Bishan, loading can go 80+ pax

      ** 262 has arrived 05 mins before, and next 262 is after 03 mins. 

       

       

      It's amazing how your estimated 71 loading is higher than 110... I always expected it to be the other way round. Probably because of 71's heavy duplication along AMK Ave 4.

       

      Are you going to do simulation on 137/298/807/860 extension as well?

      Edited by array88 12 Oct `17, 2:04AM
  • AJQZC's Avatar
    1,021 posts since Sep '08
    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      ** Route is simulated, just in case you don't get it ** 

      Wow, seems that you're on a simulation team that's managing way more than just CGA T4 stuff. tongue.png

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,423 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by AJQZC:

      Wow, seems that you're on a simulation team that's managing way more than just CGA T4 stuff. tongue.png

      Maybe he work for Shenzhen Bus co

  • lemon1974's Avatar
    9,368 posts since Dec '04
    • Originally posted by AJQZC:

      Wow, seems that you're on a simulation team that's managing way more than just CGA T4 stuff. tongue.png

      Err.  You know I know everyone know can already.  now the show is sequel n must make it more realistic. 

  • dupdup77's Avatar
    3,058 posts since Nov '13
    • Originally posted by lemon1974:

      Err.  You know I know everyone know can already.  now the show is sequel n must make it more realistic. 

      Hi mr lemon1974, I think all this simulation has sort of defeated the real objective of this loading thread. It used to be great and it provides people a real life situation of the passengers for certain bus services. But now, it becomes just like works behind computers. Cheers. Thanks.

  • AJQZC's Avatar
    1,021 posts since Sep '08
    • Originally posted by dupdup77:

      Hi mr lemon1974, I think all this simulation has sort of defeated the real objective of this loading thread. It used to be great and it provides people a real life situation of the passengers for certain bus services. But now, it becomes just like works behind computers. Cheers. Thanks.

      Can consider creating a new thread for such simulations.

  • SBS2792K's Avatar
    148 posts since Jun '17
    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      Loading on svc 71 @ 7.30am from AMK Ave 3

      ** assuming starting point ** 

      AMK Ave 3 -- 13 (0/13)

      AMK Ave 1 -- 22 (0/9), 32 (0/10), 43 (-1/12), 55 (0/12), 68 (-1/14)

      Bishan Road -- 68 (0/0), 69 (-1/2), 17 (-60/8) Bishan MRT. I alighted here

      ** Pax from AMK Ave 1 prefer 71 to 262 when going southbound to city (CCL/NSL)

      ** DDs make sense as loading is high towards Bishan in AM and high in PM from Bishan to Mayflower estate, especially when bus picks some pax from AMK Ave 4 towards Bishan, loading can go 80+ pax

      ** 262 has arrived 05 mins before, and next 262 is after 03 mins. 

       

       

      if this is an actual official set of data used by LTA, i can see why their route planning screws up so often... expectations vs reality is so different

       

      trust me, the loading wont be so high considering how the stops along amk ave 1 are struggling to have passengers throughout the day esp around blk 333 needless to say peak hours

  • SMB1368T's Avatar
    1,178 posts since Mar '16
    • Shall we just rename this thread instead? I also notice how bus svcs like 12 & 28 are underestimated with this method

      Edited by SMB1368T 12 Oct `17, 3:15PM
  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,463 posts since May '12
    • OK. ILL STOP. LETS BRING IT BACK TO ORIGINAL PURPOSE.

      If anyone is interested in simulation, pm me!! 

  • Loriwade's Avatar
    8 posts since Oct '17
  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,463 posts since May '12
    • Loading observation in Tuas this week:

      247 -  I observed this service for first time, but AM loading between 7-8am seems very good on 247

      192 / 193 - both are now getting some loading in the opposite direction as a feeder from Tuas MRT stations

      182 - still observed good 70-80 pax loading on DDs

      248 - wasn't able to observe!

       

  • Waynechew1003's Avatar
    187 posts since Apr '17
    • Loading for 76 still weekends is rather poor.

      off peak weekdays and peak weekends are okay

      possible for 76 weekends to be half SD half DD

  • SMB315C's Avatar
    1,984 posts since Sep '14
    • Loading on Sv858 for Monday PM Peak (23102017)
      - Bus: Citaro (SG1696Z)
      - Headway according to app: SD > 7 mins > SD (My bus) > 8 mins > SD

      // Boarded from 46009 @ 1804hr //
      Woodlands Sq
      46009 +21 -0 = 21

      W'lands Ave 7
      46281 +1 -0 = 22
      46391 +1 -0 = 23

      W'lands Ave 4
      46401 +2 -6 = 19
      46411 +2 -8 = 13

      W'lands Ave 9
      46461 +6 -1 = 18
      46471 +8 -1 = 25
      46481 +14 -2 = 37 @ 1823hr

      Gambas Ave
      46731 +5 -0 = 42
      46741 +4 -1 = 45

      W'lands Ave 7
      47621 +10 -0 = 55 @ 1828hr

      Sembawang Way
      58381 +4 -1 = 58
      58229 +2 -1 = 59
      58219 +23 -22 = 60 @ 1835hr

      Canberra Rd
      58159 +0 -0 = 60
      58109 +6 -1 = 65

      Sembawang Rd
      58029 +1 -5 = 61
      58019 +13 -13 = 61 @ 1841hr
      // Alighted at 58019 @ 1841hr //

  • SMB128B's Avatar
    4,972 posts since May '11
    • Originally posted by SMB315C:

      Loading on Sv858 for Monday PM Peak (23102017)
      - Bus: Citaro (SG1696Z)
      - Headway according to app: SD > 7 mins > SD (My bus) > 8 mins > SD

      // Boarded from 46009 @ 1804hr //
      Woodlands Sq
      46009 +21 -0 = 21

      W'lands Ave 7
      46281 +1 -0 = 22
      46391 +1 -0 = 23

      W'lands Ave 4
      46401 +2 -6 = 19
      46411 +2 -8 = 13

      W'lands Ave 9
      46461 +6 -1 = 18
      46471 +8 -1 = 25
      46481 +14 -2 = 37 @ 1823hr

      Gambas Ave
      46731 +5 -0 = 42
      46741 +4 -1 = 45

      W'lands Ave 7
      47621 +10 -0 = 55 @ 1828hr

      Sembawang Way
      58381 +4 -1 = 58
      58229 +2 -1 = 59
      58219 +23 -22 = 60 @ 1835hr

      Canberra Rd
      58159 +0 -0 = 60
      58109 +6 -1 = 65

      Sembawang Rd
      58029 +1 -5 = 61
      58019 +13 -13 = 61 @ 1841hr
      // Alighted at 58019 @ 1841hr //

      Haha, should try the CGA stretch and experience for yourself what a fuck up the LTA and SMRT has caused

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,423 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by SMB128B:

      Haha, should try the CGA stretch and experience for yourself what a fuck up the LTA and SMRT has caused

      Today got 1 LG A22 doing 858..

    • 121 should get 2 split DDs,Loading during peak hours is quite high although off peak loadings is very bad.

  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,463 posts since May '12
    • Originally posted by SMB315C:

      Loading on Sv858 for Monday PM Peak (23102017)
      - Bus: Citaro (SG1696Z)
      - Headway according to app: SD > 7 mins > SD (My bus) > 8 mins > SD

      // Boarded from 46009 @ 1804hr //
      Woodlands Sq
      46009 +21 -0 = 21

      W'lands Ave 7
      46281 +1 -0 = 22
      46391 +1 -0 = 23

      W'lands Ave 4
      46401 +2 -6 = 19
      46411 +2 -8 = 13

      W'lands Ave 9
      46461 +6 -1 = 18
      46471 +8 -1 = 25
      46481 +14 -2 = 37 @ 1823hr

      Gambas Ave
      46731 +5 -0 = 42
      46741 +4 -1 = 45

      W'lands Ave 7
      47621 +10 -0 = 55 @ 1828hr

      Sembawang Way
      58381 +4 -1 = 58
      58229 +2 -1 = 59
      58219 +23 -22 = 60 @ 1835hr

      Canberra Rd
      58159 +0 -0 = 60
      58109 +6 -1 = 65

      Sembawang Rd
      58029 +1 -5 = 61
      58019 +13 -13 = 61 @ 1841hr
      // Alighted at 58019 @ 1841hr //

      Impressive to see high loading between Sembawang MRT and Sembawang Rd. 

  • array88's Avatar
    1,420 posts since May '14
  • SBS2792K's Avatar
    148 posts since Jun '17
    • Originally posted by array88:

      Has anyone observed 139M's loading after 129's introduction? 

      still remains about same... ppl prefer waiting in aircon bah

  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,463 posts since May '12
    • Loading on svc 410G @ 17.48 from Bishan Interchange

      Bishan Interchange -- 35 (0/35)

      Bishan St 13 -- 25 (-10/0), 14 (-14/3)

      Bishan St 12 -- 5 (-11/2)

      Bishan St 11 -- 5 (-2/2)

      Bishan St 21 -- 8 (0/3), 6 (-2/0)

      Marymount Rd -- 19 (-2/15)

      Shunfu Rd -- 17 (-4/2)

      Sing Ming Rd -- 16 (-7/6)

      Upper Thomson Rd -- 21 (-3/8), 20 (-7/6), 23 (-3/6)

      Sing Ming Ave -- 22 (-5/4) I alighted here. 

      * Bus in front = 06 min, bus behind = 06 min.

      * Peak loading at first stop = 35 pax.

      * Feeder service between Bishan St 12/13 to Bishan MRT (35 pax). Hardly anyone takes from Bishan to Marymount. Again there is unique loading between Marymount MRT and Upper Thomson but not that heavy even though it was prime peak of around 6pm. 

      * 410G/410W should split into two routes to cater to its own high loading sectors. 

  • SG1131L's Avatar
    12 posts since Oct '17
    • Loading on svc 298

      Date: 27 October 2017 (Friday)

      Time: 5:27pm to 6:14pm

      Tampines Concourse — 3 (0/3)

      Tampines Ctrl 1 — 4 (0/1)

      Tampines Ave 7 — 3 (-1/0)

      Tampines Ave 4 — 8 (0/5), 9 (0/1), 12 (0/3)

      Tampines St 82 — 9 (-6/3)

      Tampines Ave 3 — 7 (-2/0), 7 (0/0)

      Tampines Ave 8 — 7 (0/0)

      Tampines Ave 5 — 7 (0/0)

      Tampines Ave 10 — 7 (0/0)

      Tampines St 86 — 1 (-6/0)

      Tampines Ave 1 — 2 (0/1)

      Tampines Ave 8 — 2 (0/0)

      Tampines Ave 3 — 2 (0/0), 2 (0/0)

      Tampines St 82 — 4 (0/2)

      Tampines Ave 4 — 3 (-1/0), 3 (0/0), 0 (-3/0)

      Tampines Ave 7 — 0 (0/0)

      Tampines Ctrl 1 — 0 (0/0)

      Tampines Concourse — 0 (0/0)

      * Highest loading: 12 passengers to Tampines St 86, 4 passengers to Tampines Concourse

      * Zero boarding and alighting observed from Tampines Ave 8 to Tampines Ave 10, mainly because that area is mostly under construction.

      * Zero boarding and alighting observed from Tampines Ave 8 to Tampines Ave 3, probably because that area already has many bus routes; no need for another bus route.

      * Zero boarding and alighting observed from Tampines Ave 7 to Tampines Concourse, mainly because that area is relatively undeveloped.

      * To improve the loading, the authorities can consider increasing awareness of the route, and connecting the route to Tampines West station at Tampines Ave 4.

      * The upcoming developments around Tampines Ave 8 may increase the loading by 50 passengers, assuming every bus stop has 10 passengers boarding or alighting.

      * This route may be well-received in future.

      Edited by SG1131L 01 Nov `17, 5:55PM
  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,423 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by SG1131L:

      Loading on svc 298

      Date: 27 October 2017 (Friday)

      Time: 5:27pm to 6:14pm

      Tampines Concourse — 3 (0,3)

      Tampines Ctrl 1 — 4 (0,1)

      Tampines Ave 7 — 3 (-1,0)

      Tampines Ave 4 — 8 (0,5), 9 (0,1), 12 (0,3)

      Tampines St 82 — 9 (-6,3)

      Tampines Ave 3 — 7 (-2,0), 7 (0,0)

      Tampines Ave 8 — 7 (0,0)

      Tampines Ave 5 — 7 (0,0)

      Tampines Ave 10 — 7 (0,0)

      Tampines St 86 — 1 (-6,0)

      Tampines Ave 1 — 2 (0,1)

      Tampines Ave 8 — 2 (0,0)

      Tampines Ave 3 — 2 (0,0), 2 (0,0)

      Tampines St 82 — 4 (0,2)

      Tampines Ave 4 — 3 (-1,0), 3 (0,0), 0 (-3,0)

      Tampines Ave 7 — 0 (0,0)

      Tampines Ctrl 1 — 0 (0,0)

      Tampines Concourse — 0 (0,0)

      * Highest loading: 12 passengers to Tampines St 86, 4 passengers to Tampines Concourse

      * Zero boarding and alighting observed from Tampines Ave 8 to Tampines Ave 10, mainly because that area is mostly under construction.

      * Zero boarding and alighting observed from Tampines Ave 8 to Tampines Ave 3, probably because that area already has many bus routes; no need for another bus route.

      * Zero boarding and alighting observed from Tampines Ave 7 to Tampines Concourse, mainly because that area is relatively undeveloped.

      * To improve the loading, the authorities can consider increasing awareness of the route, and connecting the route to Tampines West station at Tampines Ave 4.

      * The upcoming developments around Tampines Ave 8 may increase the loading by 50 passengers, assuming every bus stop has 10 passengers boarding or alighting.

      * This route may be well-received in future.

      Don’t worry too much,Bus routes all under LTA not under operators anymore.

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