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  • carbikebus's Avatar
    21,313 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by dupdup77:

      Hi mr carbikebus, 45 pax is considered good enough for a single deck bus service. Even 30 people is considered not bad. You cannot always expect more than 60 people for a feeder service.

      Take note mr xxx loading shows substantial no of people alighting at upper serangoon crew and upper serangoon view. This shows that 324 and 102 should remain 2 separate services as they don’t go to same area as claimed. Cheers. Thanks. 

      Hahaha

  • SBS2792K's Avatar
    222 posts since Jun '17
    • Loading on 71, 1035 (6/1) from Opp Mayflower Sec Sch, SG1236T (22pax at time of boarding)

       

      +7/-0=29  Blk 223 1037

      +2/-2=29 Blk 220 1039

      +2/-1=30 Blk 310 1042

      +5/-0=35 Teck Ghee Ct 1043  (this is where a market/fc is located)
      +0/-2=33 Blk 331 1044

      +0/-0=33 MRT Bishan Depot 1047

      +1/-1=33 Opp Blk 217 1047

      +3/-27=9 Bishan MRT 1051

      +0/-0=9 RI 1057 - TRAFFIC JAM due to road construction

      +0/-0=9 Opp Blk 1004 1058

      +4/-2=11 Opp Blk 998 1059

      +2/-3=10 Blk 147 1100 - I alighted here

       

      * Strong demand from AMK to Bishan due to unique link

      * At 1051 at Bishan MRT, seen SG2017C opposite with approx 30-40 pax

      * On the same day at about 6.30pm, seen SG1145Y arrive Bishan MRT from AMK packed to the front door

       

  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,628 posts since May '12
    • Originally posted by SBS2792K:

      Loading on 71, 1035 (6/1) from Opp Mayflower Sec Sch, SG1236T (22pax at time of boarding)

       

      +7/-0=29  Blk 223 1037

      +2/-2=29 Blk 220 1039

      +2/-1=30 Blk 310 1042

      +5/-0=35 Teck Ghee Ct 1043  (this is where a market/fc is located)
      +0/-2=33 Blk 331 1044

      +0/-0=33 MRT Bishan Depot 1047

      +1/-1=33 Opp Blk 217 1047

      +3/-27=9 Bishan MRT 1051

      +0/-0=9 RI 1057 - TRAFFIC JAM due to road construction

      +0/-0=9 Opp Blk 1004 1058

      +4/-2=11 Opp Blk 998 1059

      +2/-3=10 Blk 147 1100 - I alighted here

       

      * Strong demand from AMK to Bishan due to unique link

      * At 1051 at Bishan MRT, seen SG2017C opposite with approx 30-40 pax

      * On the same day at about 6.30pm, seen SG1145Y arrive Bishan MRT from AMK packed to the front door

       

      Not surprising to see the high loading between AMK and Bishan. svc 55 between ave 10 (3 stops) and Bishan gets 70+ pax during peak. Likewise svc 50 gets around 50-60 pax between Ave 8 and Bishan. Similarly, 71 will reach 70+ pax loading during peak hours between AMK 1 and Bishan, eating into 262's loading.

    • Loading on svc 82 @ 07.40 am from Punggol Interchange

      Punggol Interchange -- 08 (0/8)

      Punggol Field -- 19 (0/11), 28 (0/9)

      Punggol Road -- 36 (-3/11), 35 (-12/11), 36  (-2/3), 51 (-3/18), 54 (-5/8), 58 (-2/6), 57 (-6/5), 58 (-3/4)

      Hougang Ave 10 -- 57 (-6/5), 35 (-25/3), 36 (-2/1), 35 (-2/1)

      Hougang Ave 2 -- 28 (-11/4)

      Upper Serangoon Rd -- 29 (-5/6), 30 (-1/2), 27 (-8/5), 28 (-1/2), 26 (-4/2), 24 (-2/0)

      Serangoon Central -- 09 (-20/5), 08 (-4/3)

      Boundary Road -- 08 (0/0)

      Upper Serangoon Rd -- 11 (0/3), 11 (0/0), 15 (-1/5), 16 (-1/2), 16 (-4/4)

      Hougang Ave 2 -- 16 (-4/4)

      Hougang Ave 10 -- 14 (-2/0), 16 (0/2), 25 (-2/11) HG MRT... I alighted here... 

      * I was supposed to do the route only till NEX but decided to stay onboard until Hougang to monitor loading on return trip.

      * Few people have said that DDs should be deployed on svc 82, but the peak loading in directon towards NEX was 58 pax between Punggol Road and Hougang MRT. Loading mostly is in its 30s.

      * Return loading as expected remains under 25 pax

      * Quite a few alternate services eat into the load (I guess). Frequency isn't superb at around 12 mins per bus.

      * Looking at the trend, I think full fleet SD still seems okay on svc 82, unless it is merged with say svc 107. 

  • array88's Avatar
    1,489 posts since May '14
    • How is 53 doing between Bishan and Serangoon?

      In fact, considering the extent it duplicates CCL and 81, it seems to me that 53 today is only useful for the PSR-CGA link and as a feeder for Lor Ah Soo...

  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,628 posts since May '12
    • Originally posted by array88:

      How is 53 doing between Bishan and Serangoon?

      In fact, considering the extent it duplicates CCL and 81, it seems to me that 53 today is only useful for the PSR-CGA link and as a feeder for Lor Ah Soo...

      You are mostly right. 53 also gets good number of pax between NEX and Boundary road, but there are alternatives here with 22 and 315. 

    • YEW Tee loading observation (302, 302A, 979)

      I was in Yew Tee area all of yesterday. 

      302

      A lot more rigids spammed in AM and PM in Yew Tee. Almost every bus leaves YT with standees whether it is bendy or SD. 302A gets around 50-60 pax. BCs do a good job of waiting for around 03 minutes at bus stop until another 302 or 979 comes at the back. Observed one bendy and one rigid on 302 both taking around 50-60 pax. 

      979 

      PM Yew TEE - Comes to Yew Tee with around 40-45 pax and gets another 40-45 pax at YT. Upper deck full. There are 3 SDs still running on 979 which should be converted to DD as well as SDs are packed to door.

      AM towards Yew Tee - Between 0730-0815am DDs are packed to door. All DDs get more than 70-80 pax before reaching Bukit Panjang. All SDs are packed to door.

      Definitely recommend 979 to be full fleet DD

    • Loading observations on Yishun feeders/intra-towns 19/01 AM. Driving around Yishun or staying stationery between 0630 and 0800am.

      800

      None of the high capacity buses or SDs had more than 50 pax on board. Surprisingly, I spotted a DD with 100+ pax along Yishun Ave 7 and then when I saw the same bus at Yishun Ring Road/Ave 2 junction, it had around 50 pax on board. School students?? But then 800 is only uni-directional, what do these people do in the opposite direction? Frequency around 04-07 mins per bus.

      803

      Buses spotted at Yishun Ave 9 had a loading of around 50-60 pax, which is v good for the short feeder. Frequency 04-05 mins.

      804

      None of the buses were packed to door. Clearly 804 has lost a lot of its loading. Most buses had loading in range of 40-60 pax. Good mix of DDs, bendies and SDs. Frequency was around 04 mins per bus.

      806

      Not a single DD or bendy was packed. This was surprising to me that 806 used to be packed to door. Frequency is outrageous at a bus every 02-03 mins. This explains. Seems like at this frequency even SDs could do the job. 

      807 towards Khatib

      What a frequency!!! There was a bus every 01-03 mins either 807 or 807A. Most 807A were SDs whereas 807 was primarily DD/bendy. Spotted 7DDs, 2 bendies and at least 7 SDs. Almost every bus was packed. DDs carried 70-90 pax, rigids were packed to door, I guess bendies had 70+ pax too. The loading on 807 has definitely increased even further with the opening of new BTOs. I would recommend to give some of the DDs from 806 to 807 and make it 80% high capacity fleet. 

      807 towards Yishun

      Loading is around 40-50 pax towards Yishun, most prefer to take it to Khatib.

      811

      Again like 806, the places where I spotted it like Ring road & Ave 9, the bus wasn't packed as I expected it to be. SDs had a good 50 pax, but most bendies and 2 DDs spotted had also around 40-60 pax max. There wasn't a single bus I spotted that had very high loading. I think this is again to do with the high number of buses (19) with frequency of 03-04 mins

      812

      I think the loading on this intratown is the lowest among the ones I spotted. Mostly around 40 pax loading. Still spotted a good number of bendies, though the number of rigids has increased too. 

      * Did'nt observe 805

  • Sbs6750E's Avatar
    1,970 posts since May '15
    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      Loading observations on Yishun feeders/intra-towns 19/01 AM. Driving around Yishun or staying stationery between 0630 and 0800am.

      800

      None of the high capacity buses or SDs had more than 50 pax on board. Surprisingly, I spotted a DD with 100+ pax along Yishun Ave 7 and then when I saw the same bus at Yishun Ring Road/Ave 2 junction, it had around 50 pax on board. School students?? But then 800 is only uni-directional, what do these people do in the opposite direction? Frequency around 04-07 mins per bus.

      803

      Buses spotted at Yishun Ave 9 had a loading of around 50-60 pax, which is v good for the short feeder. Frequency 04-05 mins.

      804

      None of the buses were packed to door. Clearly 804 has lost a lot of its loading. Most buses had loading in range of 40-60 pax. Good mix of DDs, bendies and SDs. Frequency was around 04 mins per bus.

      806

      Not a single DD or bendy was packed. This was surprising to me that 806 used to be packed to door. Frequency is outrageous at a bus every 02-03 mins. This explains. Seems like at this frequency even SDs could do the job. 

      807 towards Khatib

      What a frequency!!! There was a bus every 01-03 mins either 807 or 807A. Most 807A were SDs whereas 807 was primarily DD/bendy. Spotted 7DDs, 2 bendies and at least 7 SDs. Almost every bus was packed. DDs carried 70-90 pax, rigids were packed to door, I guess bendies had 70+ pax too. The loading on 807 has definitely increased even further with the opening of new BTOs. I would recommend to give some of the DDs from 806 to 807 and make it 80% high capacity fleet. 

      807 towards Yishun

      Loading is around 40-50 pax towards Yishun, most prefer to take it to Khatib.

      811

      Again like 806, the places where I spotted it like Ring road & Ave 9, the bus wasn't packed as I expected it to be. SDs had a good 50 pax, but most bendies and 2 DDs spotted had also around 40-60 pax max. There wasn't a single bus I spotted that had very high loading. I think this is again to do with the high number of buses (19) with frequency of 03-04 mins

      812

      I think the loading on this intratown is the lowest among the ones I spotted. Mostly around 40 pax loading. Still spotted a good number of bendies, though the number of rigids has increased too. 

      * Did'nt observe 805


      those sv 800 students board along Ring Rd when going back.

  • CZT's Avatar
    555 posts since Jun '16
    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      Loading observations on Yishun feeders/intra-towns 19/01 AM. Driving around Yishun or staying stationery between 0630 and 0800am.

      800

      None of the high capacity buses or SDs had more than 50 pax on board. Surprisingly, I spotted a DD with 100+ pax along Yishun Ave 7 and then when I saw the same bus at Yishun Ring Road/Ave 2 junction, it had around 50 pax on board. School students?? But then 800 is only uni-directional, what do these people do in the opposite direction? Frequency around 04-07 mins per bus.

      803

      Buses spotted at Yishun Ave 9 had a loading of around 50-60 pax, which is v good for the short feeder. Frequency 04-05 mins.

      804

      None of the buses were packed to door. Clearly 804 has lost a lot of its loading. Most buses had loading in range of 40-60 pax. Good mix of DDs, bendies and SDs. Frequency was around 04 mins per bus.

      806

      Not a single DD or bendy was packed. This was surprising to me that 806 used to be packed to door. Frequency is outrageous at a bus every 02-03 mins. This explains. Seems like at this frequency even SDs could do the job. 

      807 towards Khatib

      What a frequency!!! There was a bus every 01-03 mins either 807 or 807A. Most 807A were SDs whereas 807 was primarily DD/bendy. Spotted 7DDs, 2 bendies and at least 7 SDs. Almost every bus was packed. DDs carried 70-90 pax, rigids were packed to door, I guess bendies had 70+ pax too. The loading on 807 has definitely increased even further with the opening of new BTOs. I would recommend to give some of the DDs from 806 to 807 and make it 80% high capacity fleet. 

      807 towards Yishun

      Loading is around 40-50 pax towards Yishun, most prefer to take it to Khatib.

      811

      Again like 806, the places where I spotted it like Ring road & Ave 9, the bus wasn't packed as I expected it to be. SDs had a good 50 pax, but most bendies and 2 DDs spotted had also around 40-60 pax max. There wasn't a single bus I spotted that had very high loading. I think this is again to do with the high number of buses (19) with frequency of 03-04 mins

      812

      I think the loading on this intratown is the lowest among the ones I spotted. Mostly around 40 pax loading. Still spotted a good number of bendies, though the number of rigids has increased too. 

      * Did'nt observe 805

      Ohh a pity u didnt observe 805 and 860... I wonder how SMRT play ard with 860 and 807, but as far as i can rmb 860 loading dropped a lot!

      I wonder if Yishun needs a small ter at the west side (all the new flats there). If not all the new residents there need to rely more on these feeders b4 they can reach any crucial trunk services hahaha

  • Sbs6750E's Avatar
    1,970 posts since May '15
  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,628 posts since May '12
    • Originally posted by CZT:

      Ohh a pity u didnt observe 805 and 860... I wonder how SMRT play ard with 860 and 807, but as far as i can rmb 860 loading dropped a lot!

      I wonder if Yishun needs a small ter at the west side (all the new flats there). If not all the new residents there need to rely more on these feeders b4 they can reach any crucial trunk services hahaha

      I observed 860 and 883... posting it now. 

    • Loading observation on Yishun trunks 860, 883, 965A

      860

      860 is used as an alternative for 807 and people alight at bus stop before Yishun Ave 2 to go to Khatib MRT. If 860 came behind DD/bendy, it would have around 30-40 pax on it, and if behind rigid, would have around 50-55 pax on it. After this stop, bus would have 20-25 pax going forward to Ave 2 and YCK. I believe quite a few would also alight at ave 2 to transfer to other services, so loading beyond ave 2 is really questionable (or will eat into 169)

      883

      Surprised to see 4 DDs plying on it. And not surprised after seeing the loading. Almsot every 883 rigid was packed to door and DDs had 80-90 pax. There was 1 DD that may have had like 110 pax. I think fleet will be revised to 7-8 buses with 4 DDs given the high loading.

      965A/965

      The frequency of 965A/965 towards Yishun was one bus every 04-05 mins operating like feeder frequency that too mostly all DDs during that time. All buses had 40-60 pax not more, some had even lesser due to bunching. I think 965A operating like feeder as Yishun Ave 7 doesn't really have a direct feeder though there is 800/811 that takes longer to get to Yishun MRT. 

  • Sbs6750E's Avatar
    1,970 posts since May '15
  • array88's Avatar
    1,489 posts since May '14
    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      Loading observation on Yishun trunks 860, 883, 965A

      860

      860 is used as an alternative for 807 and people alight at bus stop before Yishun Ave 2 to go to Khatib MRT. If 860 came behind DD/bendy, it would have around 30-40 pax on it, and if behind rigid, would have around 50-55 pax on it. After this stop, bus would have 20-25 pax going forward to Ave 2 and YCK. I believe quite a few would also alight at ave 2 to transfer to other services, so loading beyond ave 2 is really questionable (or will eat into 169)

      883

      Surprised to see 4 DDs plying on it. And not surprised after seeing the loading. Almsot every 883 rigid was packed to door and DDs had 80-90 pax. There was 1 DD that may have had like 110 pax. I think fleet will be revised to 7-8 buses with 4 DDs given the high loading.

      965A/965

      The frequency of 965A/965 towards Yishun was one bus every 04-05 mins operating like feeder frequency that too mostly all DDs during that time. All buses had 40-60 pax not more, some had even lesser due to bunching. I think 965A operating like feeder as Yishun Ave 7 doesn't really have a direct feeder though there is 800/811 that takes longer to get to Yishun MRT. 

      Guess 860 will continue to have poor loading past Khatib until TEL2. Even after that, loading remains questionable as I'm not sure how many people will use 860's winding route to Springleaf.

      On a side note, I think time has come for 117 to be amended into Canberra.

      Edited by array88 20 Jan `18, 2:03AM
  • Travellator's Avatar
    30 posts since Aug '17
    • Loading level of Svc 26 (SD) from Toa Payoh Int  @ 1:08pm (28/12/17 Thursday) Off Peak, Bus in front = 8min, Bus behind = 11min

       

      TPY Int -- 14 (0/14)

      Lorong 6 TPY -- 15(0/1)

      Jln TPY -- 20(0/5), 23(0/3)

      Bendemeer Rd -- 17(-6/0)

      Geylang Bahru -- 18(-4/5)

      Kallang Bahru -- 20(-1/3), 20(-1/1)

      Boon Keng Rd -- 21(0/1)

      Lorong 1 Geylang -- 18(-5/2) Kallang MRT

      Sims Ave -- 17(-1/0), 13(-4/0), 13(-1/1), 11(-4/2), 12(0/1), 14(-1/3), 15(-3/4), 13(-2/0)

      Sims Ave East -- 16(0/3) Kembangan MRT

      Chai Chee Dr -- 14(-3/1), 13(-1/0)

      Chai Chee St -- 12(-2/1), 22(0/10), 22(-2/2)

      Bedok Int -- 0(-22/0) I alighted here @ 1:57pm (50 min used for the whole trip)

       

      *Highest loading = 23 pax at Jln TPY. 2nd highest loading = 22 pax at Chai Chee St.

      *Demand mostly focused at both ends of the svc, this is expected as the middle part duplicates EWL heavily.

      *Many pax alighted along Bendemeer Rd and Geylang Bahru stretch due its the only svc plying from TPY (svc 31 also plying near this area but different stretch)

      *At the other end, many pax board along Chai Chee St to transfer to Bedok MRT.

      *Demand is mediocre to moderate during this non-peak hour, with seats only filled to full at the both ends.

       

       

       

      Edited by Travellator 20 Jan `18, 11:50AM
  • JKYY's Avatar
    589 posts since Oct '17
    • I think Service 7 needs to improve its frequencies. If it continues at 30 min frequency at some points of time, the bus is filled to the brim. This service is prone to bunching from what I see.

  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,628 posts since May '12
    • 883 loading is much higher towards Yishun than Sembawang MRT even if Sembawang is closer... 

      I am surprised at how well the DDs are doing on 883. Full upper deck spotted on almost all DDs during AM towards Yishun. SDs are packed to door, which is a sign that more fleet add or DD upgrades will come in the coming months.

      Loading towards Sembawang is around 45-50 pax. 

    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      883 loading is much higher towards Yishun than Sembawang MRT even if Sembawang is closer... 

      I am surprised at how well the DDs are doing on 883. Full upper deck spotted on almost all DDs during AM towards Yishun. SDs are packed to door, which is a sign that more fleet add or DD upgrades will come in the coming months.

      Loading towards Sembawang is around 45-50 pax. 

      This morning, 883 loading was higher towards Sembawang than Yishun... almost every SD/DD had a heavy loading. There is a SD downroute from Canberra to Sembawang. 

      117 DD towards Yishun MRT had around 80 pax at around 730am. Not sure how such a high loading for this particular bus. 

  • lemon1974's Avatar
    9,561 posts since Dec '04
    • boarded sv 7 DD (SBS3667H) at around 2.10pm at orchard road (opposite 313)... lower deck fully seated with some standees. upper deck only left 10 empty seats

      very surprise to see such crowd during off peak.

      almost half the pax from upper deck alight at bugis village.

  • JKYY's Avatar
    589 posts since Oct '17
    • I confirm 100% plus chop when CRL open will have rationalisation (too many duplicative services, some are duplicative for real long) - mostly at western and central  CRL

       

      1 AMK - Hougang service

      1-2 AMK - AMK West service

      1 West Coast service

      1 Changi Village / Cargo Complex service

      Service 52 - demand will drop a lot

      Shortening of Service 89 to Compassvale?

      Rearrangement/amendment to MRT of Joo Koon services (eastern side)

      Rearrangement/amendment of services at Punggol East

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    21,313 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by JKYY:

      I confirm 100% plus chop when CRL open will have rationalisation (too many duplicative services, some are duplicative for real long) - mostly at western and central  CRL

       

      1 AMK - Hougang service

      1-2 AMK - AMK West service

      1 West Coast service

      1 Changi Village / Cargo Complex service

      Service 52 - demand will drop a lot

      Shortening of Service 89 to Compassvale?

      Rearrangement/amendment to MRT of Joo Koon services (eastern side)

      Rearrangement/amendment of services at Punggol East

      By that time our population already hit 6 million dude....

  • array88's Avatar
    1,489 posts since May '14
    • Originally posted by JKYY:

      I confirm 100% plus chop when CRL open will have rationalisation (too many duplicative services, some are duplicative for real long) - mostly at western and central  CRL

       

      1 AMK - Hougang service

      1-2 AMK - AMK West service

      1 West Coast service

      1 Changi Village / Cargo Complex service

      Service 52 - demand will drop a lot

      Shortening of Service 89 to Compassvale?

      Rearrangement/amendment to MRT of Joo Koon services (eastern side)

      Rearrangement/amendment of services at Punggol East

      CRL actually has a lot of duplicating bus services.

      AMK-Hougang services (132, 165, in some sense 74) are the obvious ones. But CRLe also duplicates quite a number of existing services, particularly the TPE services to Punggol (3, 34) and PSR-Hougang services (53, 81, possibly 72 and 89).

      Loyang services (6, 89, maybe 19) will also suffer.

      Don't think AMK-AMK West services (166, 169 etc) will be affected, because CRL goes down to Sin Ming after AMK. Much greater effects will probably be felt by long-distance services, like 52, 165 and possibly 74. 165 will die as its route duplicates entirely with CRL, unfortunately. 52's loading is already in parts so it may still experience high loading between SIM and Sin Ming.

      Most of West Coast services (especially Teban/Pandan services) actually connect to Jurong East instead of Clementi so they will still have good demand. Services like 201 and 285 to Clementi may experience some drop in demand.

      Effect on the JIS/semi-JIS services will largely depend on the exact route taken by CRL. But even then, those JIS can probably serve as feeders between CRL stations and the industrial estates.

       

      Overall, I predict we will see the greatest drop in loading on the following services:

      3, 52, 81, 89, 165, 201.

  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,628 posts since May '12
    • Why are we discussing CRL when it is only slated for 2030 (12 years from now) ???? 

  • Vampire77lim's Avatar
    131 posts since Nov '16
    • That the planning official who put the bus service 25 to upper East Coast terminal and the loading of service is not good enough  

      service 25 should   Go to Changi business terminal better than to upper East Coast terminal 

      any suggestions for it 

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