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  • Marvel68's Avatar
    327 posts since Oct '14
    • Originally posted by AJQZC:

      Are there (still) DD restrictions for the following services? (Regardless of whether there is demand for DDs)

      16, 32, 57, 63, 75, 100, 121, 123, 124, 138, 142, 155, 173, 175, 184, 195, 300, 301, 302, 315, 325, 927, 962, 973

      I'm not sure about the other services, but these are the probable and commonly guessed reasons why these services are unable to accommodate DDs to date...

      16 -  Possible height restrictions along Joo Chiat Rd

      32 - Possible restrictions along Margaret Drive (likely due to the tight turns near the Fisherman Church)

      57, 175 & 195 - possible restrictions along Depot Rd (probably low lying branches)

      63 - Restrictions along Jalan Rumah Tinggi (road looks pretty narrow and steep for DDs to climb)

      100 - Possible restrictions along Upp Aljunied Rd (low lying branches again?)

      121/124 -  Possible restrictions along Telok Blangah Way likely due to low lying branches

      123 - Restriction along Bukit Purmei Ave (difficult for DDs to do u-turn using the roundabout?)

      173/973 - Possible restrictions along Hume Ave (road too steep for DDs?)

       

  • SMB1368T's Avatar
    1,261 posts since Mar '16
    • 138 & 927 cannot due to low trees along Mandai Rd

      I wonder why 194, 167 & 980 still dont have DDs even without restrictions

  • bus555's Avatar
    10,079 posts since Dec '06
    • 63 used to have DDs but only 2 axles were allowed & prolly the 3 point turn at Jalan Rumah Tinggi make it hard

      For 32, the old SBS 5 which used to have DDs back then serve Margaret Drive so. Some people say is due to Frankel Avenue but I think is more like that the demand isn't high for DD

      173 also got Toh Tuck Rise/Lor Kismis that is not DD friendly

      There some svc that wasn't mention above but is not DD friendly like 980 due to low lying branches when it makes a left turn from Middle Road to Beach Road

  • TPS Timothy Mok's Avatar
    1,254 posts since Aug '07
    • 42 - not needed as of now.

      63 is only exclusive to your 2-axle DDs, but B5TL's possible? (Install aircon or have a window that can open for ventilation). I think 3-axle DDs is a wrong step, should follow United Kingdom's style.

      73 / 105 / 159 - Lorong Chuan bus lane entrance, the height is too low, and is because of the gradiency.

      160 / 170 - Southern Integrated Gateway (JB CIQ) and Woodlands CIQ, the height is too low.

      Edited by TPS Timothy Mok 13 Jun `17, 9:00PM
    • Certain routes are not ready for DD, even without height restrictions.

  • AJQZC's Avatar
    1,043 posts since Sep '08
    • Originally posted by Marvel68:

      I'm not sure about the other services, but these are the probable and commonly guessed reasons why these services are unable to accommodate DDs to date...

      16 -  Possible height restrictions along Joo Chiat Rd

      32 - Possible restrictions along Margaret Drive (likely due to the tight turns near the Fisherman Church)

      57, 175 & 195 - possible restrictions along Depot Rd (probably low lying branches)

      63 - Restrictions along Jalan Rumah Tinggi (road looks pretty narrow and steep for DDs to climb)

      100 - Possible restrictions along Upp Aljunied Rd (low lying branches again?)

      121/124 -  Possible restrictions along Telok Blangah Way likely due to low lying branches

      123 - Restriction along Bukit Purmei Ave (difficult for DDs to do u-turn using the roundabout?)

      173/973 - Possible restrictions along Hume Ave (road too steep for DDs?)

      Not quite sure about 57, 175, 195. In fact 195 used to have DDs a few years back iirc, and the Henderson Rd restriction was cleared for 145/176 to use DDs.

      As for 100/135/155, is there still a restriction after the Upp Aljunied Rd realignment?

      Same query for 16 with the Still Rd South diversion (though unlikely that it will use DDs anyway)

  • TIB 585L's Avatar
    9,285 posts since Apr '11
    • Originally posted by Marvel68:

      I'm not sure about the other services, but these are the probable and commonly guessed reasons why these services are unable to accommodate DDs to date...

      16 -  Possible height restrictions along Joo Chiat Rd

      32 - Possible restrictions along Margaret Drive (likely due to the tight turns near the Fisherman Church)

      57, 175 & 195 - possible restrictions along Depot Rd (probably low lying branches)

      63 - Restrictions along Jalan Rumah Tinggi (road looks pretty narrow and steep for DDs to climb)

      100 - Possible restrictions along Upp Aljunied Rd (low lying branches again?)

      121/124 -  Possible restrictions along Telok Blangah Way likely due to low lying branches

      123 - Restriction along Bukit Purmei Ave (difficult for DDs to do u-turn using the roundabout?)

      173/973 - Possible restrictions along Hume Ave (road too steep for DDs?)

       


      SMB3598 spotted TRG at Hume Ave before. 16 is coz of Joo Chiat Rd shophouse

  • SMB1368T's Avatar
    1,261 posts since Mar '16
    • 100/135/155 can have DDs actually. Its only a matter of time before they get them like 39 case

       75 is due to low demand

      Edited by SMB1368T 14 Jun `17, 5:29AM
  • AJQZC's Avatar
    1,043 posts since Sep '08
    • (Updated as of August 2017;  * represents to be confirmed)

      So to summarize:

      DDs deployed:

      • 2-10, 12-14, 17, 19-23, 25, 28, 30, 31, 35, 37, 39, 41, 43, 45-52, 54-56, 58-62, 64-67, 69, 70, 72, 74, 76, 78-81, 83, 85-90, 94-99, 101-103, 106, 107, 109, 111, 117-119, 123, 125, 127, 129, 130, 132-134, 136, 139, 143, 145, 147, 151, 153, 154, 157, 161, 163, 165, 166, 168, 169, 172, 174, 176, 179-183, 185-190, 192, 193, 196-199, 201, 222, 225, 240-243, 246-249, 251-255, 257, 258, 285, 291, 293, 334, 410, 502, 506, 513, 518, 653, 700, 850E, 851, 854, 856, 857, 860, 868, 951E, 960, 961, 963-966, 969, 972, 979, 981, 982E, 983, 985.
      •  
      • (Of which are full-fleet DDs:
      • 2, 6, 23, 35, 37, 43, 62, 65, 83, *85, 88, 89e, 118, *143, 147, *161, 168, 179, 180, 182, 192, 241, 247-249, 251-255, 257, 334, 653, 868, 972.)

      No DDs, no DD restriction (no need due to bendys / lack of demand):

      • 18, 26, 29, *32, 38, *40, *42, 82, 84, 91-93, 100, 112, 113, 115, 116, *122, 128, 135, *140, 142, 162, 167, *171, 178, 191, 194, 228, 229, 231, 232, 235, *238, *261, 262, *265, 268, 269, 282, 284, 292, 300-302, 307, *308, 315, 324, 325, 329, 333, 335, 354, 358, 359, 371, 372, 374, 381, 382, 386, 403, 655-657, 800...812, 852, 853, 855, 859, 882, 883, 900...913, 920, 922, 941, 945, 947, 962, 971E, 980, 990, 1N-6N, NR1-3, NR5-8

      No DDs, fleet restriction:

      • *11, 158   (Tanjong Rhu)
      • 15, 33, 150, 155   (Telok Kurau Rd)
      • 16   (Joo Chiat Rd)
      • 24, 27, 34, 36, 53, 858   (Airport PTB)
      • *57, 175, 195   (Depot Rd) 
      • 63   (Jln Rumah Tinggi)
      • 73, 105, 159   (Braddell Flyover - Lor Chuan)
      • *75, 184   (Cashew Rd) ??
      • 77, 156, 970   (Sixth Ave)
      • 120, 124, 273   (Telok Blangah Heights/Dr)
      • *121, 272   (Telok Blangah Cres/Rise) ??
      • 131, 141   (Farrer Park Estate)
      • *138   (Mandai Rd, near reservoir) ??
      • 138, 926, 927   (Mandai Lake Rd)
      • 160, 170, 950   (JB checkpoint / roads)
      • 173   (Toh Tuck Rise)
      • *173, 973   (Hume Ave) ??
      • 177   (Gombak Dr)
      • 200   (South Buona Vista Rd)
      • 317   (Serangoon Gardens/Berwick Dr)
      • 400   (Marina Gardens Dr)
      • 401   (East Coast Park Svc Rd)
      • 402   (Marina Coastal Dr)
      • 405, 975   (Old Lim/Choa Chu Kang Rd)
      • *925   (Sungei Kadut Estate) ??

      Feel free to comment / update.

      Previous reference here.

      Edited by AJQZC 18 Aug `17, 8:31PM
  • SMB1368T's Avatar
    1,261 posts since Mar '16
  • carbikebus's Avatar
    21,590 posts since Nov '03
    • If I'm not mistaken 195 used to have the 14.5m B10MA superlong..So i think its about Low branches issues

    • 317 its Berwick Dr and the private residential area..136 used to have DDs at Serangoon Gdns

  • Marvel68's Avatar
    327 posts since Oct '14
    • Originally posted by AJQZC:

      Not quite sure about 57, 175, 195. In fact 195 used to have DDs a few years back iirc, and the Henderson Rd restriction was cleared for 145/176 to use DDs.

      Few years? I'm pretty sure 195 never did have any DDs or at least since the past decade or so. 195 used to have a full-fleet B10M Mark III and IV buses in the past. I think you've probably confused with another service. For such a high-demand route like 195, it would not have been logical to downgrade 195 to full-fleet SDs if there was any DDs in the route in the first place...

  • TPS Timothy Mok's Avatar
    1,254 posts since Aug '07
    • Originally posted by AJQZC:

      So to summarize:

      (As of June 2017)

      DDs deployed:

      • 2-10, 12-14, 17, 19-23, 25, 28, 30, 31, 35, 37, 39, 41, 43, 45-52, 54-56, 58-62, 64-67, 69, 70, 72, 74, 76, 78-81, 83, 85-90, 94-99, 101-103, 106, 107, 109, 111, 117-119, 125, 127, 129, 130, 132-134, 136, 139, 143, 145, 147, 151, 153, 154, 157, 161, 163, 165, 166, 168, 169, 172, 174, 176, 179-183, 185-190, 192, 193, 196-199, 201, 222, 225, 240-243, 246-249, 251-255, 257, 258, 285, 291, 293, 334, 358, 359, 410, 502, 506, 513, 518, 653, 700, 851, 854, 856, 857, 860, 868, 951E, 960, 961, 963-966, 969, 972, 979, 981, 982E, 983, 985.

      No DDs, no DD restriction (no need due to bendys / lack of demand):

      • 18, 26, 29, *32, 38, *40, *42, 75, 82, 84, 91-93, 100, 112, 113, 115, 116, *122, 128, 135, *140, 142, 162, 167, *171, 178, 184, 191, 194, *200, 228, 229, 231, 232, 235, *238, *261, 262, *265, 268, 269, 282, 284, 292, 300-302, 307, 308, 315, 324, 325, 333, 335, 354, 371, 372, 374, 381, 382, 386, 403, 655-657, 800...812, 852, 853, 855, 859, 882, 883, 900, 901, 902, 903, 913, 920, 922, 941, 945, 947, 962, 971E, 980, 990, 1N-6N, NR1-3, NR5-8

      No DDs, fleet restriction:

      • *11, 158   (Tanjong Rhu)
      • 15, 33, 150, 155   (Telok Kurau Rd)
      • 16   (Joo Chiat Rd)
      • 24, 27, 34, 36, 53, 858   (Airport PTB)
      • *57, 175, 195   (Depot Rd)  ***195 used to deploy DDs ??
      • 63   (Jln Rumah Tinggi)
      • 73, 105, 159   (Braddell Flyover - Lor Chuan)
      • 77, 156, 970   (Sixth Ave)
      • 120, 124, 273   (Telok Blangah Heights/Dr)
      • *121, 272   (Telok Blangah Cres/Rise) ??
      • 131, 141   (Farrer Park Estate)
      • *138   (Mandai Rd, near reservoir) ??
      • 138, 926, 927   (Mandai Lake Rd)
      • 160, 170, 950   (JB checkpoint / roads)
      • 173   (Toh Tuck Rise)
      • *173, 973   (Hume Ave) ??
      • 177   (Gombak Dr)
      • 317   (Serangoon Gardens/Berwick Dr)
      • 400   (Marina Gardens Dr)
      • 401   (East Coast Park Svc Rd)
      • 402   (Marina Coastal Dr)
      • *405, 975   (Old Lim/Choa Chu Kang Rd) ??
      • *925   (Sungei Kadut Estate) ??

      Feel free to comment / update.

      Previous reference here.

      Their demand for night bus routes is not at the maximum capacity. Double decker can only deploy on certain festive occasions - Christmas, New Year, CNY or whenever there is a major event occurring, other than that no need.

      • 11: low demand
      • 15, 33, 150, 155: Joo Chiat Road
      • 16: Joo Chiat Road only
      • 24, 27, 34, 36, 53, 858: Changi Airport
      • 57, 175, 195: Depot Road. But since 195 used to have a bendy bus, perhaps can trial MAN A24 when SBS takes over Yishun? (because got no other choice).
      • 77, 156, 970: low demand and Sixth Avenue, although it is a rich man estate
      • 120, 124, 273: Telok Blangah Heights/Dr, very hard to maneuvere
      • 121, 272: Telok Blangah Crescent/Rise
      • 131, 141: Pek Kio
      • 173: Toh Tuck roads, although it is also rich man estate
      • 177: Gombak Drive, although it is in the army camp that has large admin and ministerial stuff, the army guys will ask for ID verification.
      • 200: South Buona Vista Road, low demand and multiple turns make it not suitable for any high-capacity fleet.
      • 317: Serangoon Gardens (but you can try taking a DD on it)
      • 400: Marina Gardens Drive (although DD can do experiment like 228, wrong deployment!)
      • 401: East Coast Park Service Road
      • 402: low demand due to Marina South Pier MRT Station and new CBTC
      • 403: low demand still
      • 405: low demand too, but how to turn at Old Choa Chu Kang Road end? Soon, it will be extended to SAFTI City building.
      • 882: low demand
      • 883: low demand
      • 975: got to go along the Old Lim Chu Kang Rd, how to get DD?

      All depots can take in double deckers since July 2015 when AMK Depot restriction is lifted.

      No one knows about 46, 83, 85, 117 and 256. They do all the testing and is positive for double decker.

      Edited by TPS Timothy Mok 14 Jun `17, 9:01PM
  • carbikebus's Avatar
    21,590 posts since Nov '03
    • 46,83,85 & 117 can have DD but not to the extend of majority or full fleet of DD!

      46:2 is enough

      83:4 DD

      85:7 DD

      117:8 DD

    • Why not create a thread for deregistering O405Gs?

  • SG5064X's Avatar
    497 posts since Dec '16
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      Why not create a thread for deregistering O405Gs?

      Created by me upon your request 

  • SMB315C's Avatar
    2,194 posts since Sep '14
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      189 currently got how many DD?That time i saw only a B9TL cameo and 1 Enviro500...

      2 only..

    • Originally posted by AJQZC:

      So to summarize:

      (As of June 2017;  * represents to be confirmed)

      DDs deployed:

      • 2-10, 12-14, 17, 19-23, 25, 28, 30, 31, 35, 37, 39, 41, 43, 45-52, 54-56, 58-62, 64-67, 69, 70, 72, 74, 76, 78-81, 83, 85-90, 94-99, 101-103, 106, 107, 109, 111, 117-119, 125, 127, 129, 130, 132-134, 136, 139, 143, 145, 147, 151, 153, 154, 157, 161, 163, 165, 166, 168, 169, 172, 174, 176, 179-183, 185-190, 192, 193, 196-199, 201, 222, 225, 240-243, 246-249, 251-255, 257, 258, 285, 291, 293, 334, 410, 502, 506, 513, 518, 653, 700, 851, 854, 856, 857, 860, 868, 951E, 960, 961, 963-966, 969, 972, 979, 981, 982E, 983, 985.
      •  
      • (Of which are full-fleet DDs:
      • 2, 6, 23, 35, 37, 43, 65, 83, 88, 118, *143, *147, *161, 168, 179, 180, 182, 192, 241, 249, 251-255, 257, 258, 334, 653, 868, 972.)

      No DDs, no DD restriction (no need due to bendys / lack of demand):

      • 18, 26, 29, *32, 38, *40, *42, 75, 82, 84, 91-93, 100, 112, 113, 115, 116, *122, 128, 135, *140, 142, 162, 167, *171, 178, 184, 191, 194, 228, 229, 231, 232, 235, *238, *261, 262, *265, 268, 269, 282, 284, 292, 300-302, 307, 308, 315, 324, 325, 333, 335, 354, 358, 359, 371, 372, 374, 381, 382, 386, 403, 655-657, 800...812, 852, 853, 855, 859, 882, 883, 900...913, 920, 922, 941, 945, 947, 962, 971E, 980, 990, 1N-6N, NR1-3, NR5-8

      No DDs, fleet restriction:

      • *11, 158   (Tanjong Rhu)
      • 15, 33, 150, 155   (Telok Kurau Rd)
      • 16   (Joo Chiat Rd)
      • 24, 27, 34, 36, 53, 858   (Airport PTB)
      • *57, 175, 195   (Depot Rd)  ***195 used to deploy DDs ??
      • 63   (Jln Rumah Tinggi)
      • 73, 105, 159   (Braddell Flyover - Lor Chuan)
      • 77, 156, 970   (Sixth Ave)
      • 120, 124, 273   (Telok Blangah Heights/Dr)
      • *121, 272   (Telok Blangah Cres/Rise) ??
      • 131, 141   (Farrer Park Estate)
      • *138   (Mandai Rd, near reservoir) ??
      • 138, 926, 927   (Mandai Lake Rd)
      • 160, 170, 950   (JB checkpoint / roads)
      • 173   (Toh Tuck Rise)
      • *173, 973   (Hume Ave) ??
      • 177   (Gombak Dr)
      • 200   (South Buona Vista Rd)
      • 317   (Serangoon Gardens/Berwick Dr)
      • 400   (Marina Gardens Dr)
      • 401   (East Coast Park Svc Rd)
      • 402   (Marina Coastal Dr)
      • 405, 975   (Old Lim/Choa Chu Kang Rd)
      • *925   (Sungei Kadut Estate) ??

      Feel free to comment / update.

      Previous reference here.

      143 have rigids once in a while..

  • SMB145B's Avatar
    2,276 posts since Dec '12
    • Originally posted by AJQZC:

      So to summarize:

      (As of June 2017;  * represents to be confirmed)

      DDs deployed:

      • 2-10, 12-14, 17, 19-23, 25, 28, 30, 31, 35, 37, 39, 41, 43, 45-52, 54-56, 58-62, 64-67, 69, 70, 72, 74, 76, 78-81, 83, 85-90, 94-99, 101-103, 106, 107, 109, 111, 117-119, 125, 127, 129, 130, 132-134, 136, 139, 143, 145, 147, 151, 153, 154, 157, 161, 163, 165, 166, 168, 169, 172, 174, 176, 179-183, 185-190, 192, 193, 196-199, 201, 222, 225, 240-243, 246-249, 251-255, 257, 258, 285, 291, 293, 334, 410, 502, 506, 513, 518, 653, 700, 851, 854, 856, 857, 860, 868, 951E, 960, 961, 963-966, 969, 972, 979, 981, 982E, 983, 985.
      •  
      • (Of which are full-fleet DDs:
      • 2, 6, 23, 35, 37, 43, 65, 83, 88, 118, *143, *147, *161, 168, 179, 180, 182, 192, 241, 249, 251-255, 257, 258, 334, 653, 868, 972.)

      No DDs, no DD restriction (no need due to bendys / lack of demand):

      • 18, 26, 29, *32, 38, *40, *42, 75, 82, 84, 91-93, 100, 112, 113, 115, 116, *122, 128, 135, *140, 142, 162, 167, *171, 178, 184, 191, 194, 228, 229, 231, 232, 235, *238, *261, 262, *265, 268, 269, 282, 284, 292, 300-302, 307, 308, 315, 324, 325, 333, 335, 354, 358, 359, 371, 372, 374, 381, 382, 386, 403, 655-657, 800...812, 852, 853, 855, 859, 882, 883, 900...913, 920, 922, 941, 945, 947, 962, 971E, 980, 990, 1N-6N, NR1-3, NR5-8

      No DDs, fleet restriction:

      • *11, 158   (Tanjong Rhu)
      • 15, 33, 150, 155   (Telok Kurau Rd)
      • 16   (Joo Chiat Rd)
      • 24, 27, 34, 36, 53, 858   (Airport PTB)
      • *57, 175, 195   (Depot Rd)  ***195 used to deploy DDs ??
      • 63   (Jln Rumah Tinggi)
      • 73, 105, 159   (Braddell Flyover - Lor Chuan)
      • 77, 156, 970   (Sixth Ave)
      • 120, 124, 273   (Telok Blangah Heights/Dr)
      • *121, 272   (Telok Blangah Cres/Rise) ??
      • 131, 141   (Farrer Park Estate)
      • *138   (Mandai Rd, near reservoir) ??
      • 138, 926, 927   (Mandai Lake Rd)
      • 160, 170, 950   (JB checkpoint / roads)
      • 173   (Toh Tuck Rise)
      • *173, 973   (Hume Ave) ??
      • 177   (Gombak Dr)
      • 200   (South Buona Vista Rd)
      • 317   (Serangoon Gardens/Berwick Dr)
      • 400   (Marina Gardens Dr)
      • 401   (East Coast Park Svc Rd)
      • 402   (Marina Coastal Dr)
      • 405, 975   (Old Lim/Choa Chu Kang Rd)
      • *925   (Sungei Kadut Estate) ??

      Feel free to comment / update.

      Previous reference here.

      265 needs DDs, likewise for 315.

      859 downgraded like from 40% bendies to full rigids

      night buses seriously no need to say, too infrequent and no standing pax.

      105 and 73 can use bendies if there are.

      858 had bendies. 

      147 is fully DD.

      167, 980 are cadidates for DD despite duplication with TSL and NSL in addtion with each other.

      386 might need DDs soon

  • TPS Timothy Mok's Avatar
    1,254 posts since Aug '07
    • Originally posted by SMB145B:

      265 needs DDs, likewise for 315.

      859 downgraded like from 40% bendies to full rigids

      night buses seriously no need to say, too infrequent and no standing pax.

      105 and 73 can use bendies if there are.

      858 had bendies. 

      147 is fully DD.

      167, 980 are cadidates for DD despite duplication with TSL and NSL in addtion with each other.

      386 might need DDs soon

      147 is only upgraded after NEL Rationalisation, losing some popular bus routes in once.

      Night buses do not have standing pax and infrequent, nowadays ppl just use Grab app - including the GrabCar, GrabShare and JustGrab. some of them put credit card for Grab.

      Edited by TPS Timothy Mok 15 Jun `17, 4:12PM
  • SMB315C's Avatar
    2,194 posts since Sep '14
    • Who's in charge of the bus scheduling? LTA or SMRT?

      From my observation, buses on services 67, 171, 180, 184, 700/A, 857, 883, 900, 901926, 963, 963E, 963R, 972, 973, 979, etc. are travelling slowly most of the time..

      Edited by SMB315C 15 Jun `17, 8:46PM
  • TIB 585L's Avatar
    9,285 posts since Apr '11
  • SMB145B's Avatar
    2,276 posts since Dec '12
    • Originally posted by SMB315C:

      Who's in charge of the bus scheduling? LTA or SMRT?

      From my observation, buses on services 67, 171, 180, 184, 700/A, 857, 883, 900, 901926, 963, 963E, 963R, 972, 973, 979, etc. are travelling slowly most of the time..

      857 is semi-express service.

      So slow that the so-called express buses lose the distinction.

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