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  • okayla's Avatar
    4 posts since Mar '17
    • Originally posted by lemon1974:

      u wont know how SBST calculate its cost..... by bidding at 480M does not mean it will lose money..... for the first 2 package, they were still discussing with LTA on the transition of existing service into BCM.. now that is settle (and thus they know the margin they have), they can have a lower bid this time round... they also have lower set up cost/recruitment cost (and currently they have enough BCs also)..

      further first two packages, the local operators know they are just bridemaids...

      and your chicken rice example is not entirely correct as compare to SBST case... the different between SBST/woodland transport is around 20% difference.... unless you are saying that SBST is bidding at 50% of Woodland transport price...

      so u can still see $2 chicken rice in singapore as compare to S2.50 OR S3.00.

      Sorry for my bad example.

      I agree with you. Existing operators (SBST and SMRT) only need to obtain extra half of this package so it is quite easy. If that is the case, would that be the reason why some other bidders disappear this round (Keolis and Transdev etc.)? Because they know they can't achieve such low price? Then it would be very interesting to see the game and results. 

      Just feel so sad for WT. Seems they have one of the best local knowledge and highest passion, but unfortunately price was not in the low range every time.

      Edited by okayla 31 Mar `17, 6:58PM
  • carbikebus's Avatar
    21,313 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by okayla:

      Sorry for my bad example.

      I agree with you. Existing operators (SBST and SMRT) only need to obtain extra half of this package so it is quite easy. If that is the case, would that be the reason why some other bidders disappear this round (Keolis and Transdev etc.)? Because they know they can't achieve such low price? Then it would be very interesting to see the game and results. 

      Just feel so sad for WT. Seems they have one of the best local knowledge and highest passion, but unfortunately price was not in the low range every time.

      If they're so keen on low price and those two start lowering their bid,Then what's d point of BCM?Show off?

  • TIB868X's Avatar
    1,514 posts since Aug '11
    • Go-Ahead's bidding price was presumably enough on the assumption that the operating model and methods that were proposed are in use. Ever since the crisis, they were forced to tweak their operating model and methods away from the ones proposed in the bid thus their cost baseline is now different from the one proposed. It is unknown if the bidding price is still enough and sufficient after the changes.

      Edited by TIB868X 02 Apr `17, 8:40PM
  • Popokelai's Avatar
    9 posts since Feb '11
    • Wondering who the Seletar Bus Package has been awarded to? Here it is – SBS Transit Ltd (SBST)

      Under the Bus Contracting Model (BCM), SBST will operate the Seletar Bus Package of 26 bus services from the new Seletar Bus Depot. These bus services will originate from Ang Mo Kio, Yio Chu Kang and Yishun Bus Interchanges.

      As part of the 5-year contract, the 26 bus services will be implemented in five tranches from the first quarter of 2018.

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    21,313 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by Popokelai:

      Wondering who the Seletar Bus Package has been awarded to? Here it is – SBS Transit Ltd (SBST)

      Under the Bus Contracting Model (BCM), SBST will operate the Seletar Bus Package of 26 bus services from the new Seletar Bus Depot. These bus services will originate from Ang Mo Kio, Yio Chu Kang and Yishun Bus Interchanges.

      As part of the 5-year contract, the 26 bus services will be implemented in five tranches from the first quarter of 2018.

      There goes the competition....Im not suprised Bulim and Loyang will be taken over by the two incumbents later.

  • dupdup77's Avatar
    3,087 posts since Nov '13
    • Originally posted by Popokelai:

      Wondering who the Seletar Bus Package has been awarded to? Here it is – SBS Transit Ltd (SBST)

      Under the Bus Contracting Model (BCM), SBST will operate the Seletar Bus Package of 26 bus services from the new Seletar Bus Depot. These bus services will originate from Ang Mo Kio, Yio Chu Kang and Yishun Bus Interchanges.

      As part of the 5-year contract, the 26 bus services will be implemented in five tranches from the first quarter of 2018.

      Hi mr popokelai, yes I am right. In a much earlier post in sep or oct 2016, I have predicted sbs transit to win. But there are many doubters saying that the authorites reserve the 3 tenders for foreigner operators. Now I am proven right. Guess money really speaks loudly. How LTA will not award to Sbs transit in view of its super low bid? Guess they are rational when money is concerned. Cheers. Thanks.

  • gekpohboy's Avatar
    2,180 posts since Mar '16
    • SBS Transit wins the Seletar Bus Contract. The seletar bus contract comprises of 26 bus services (including 2 new BSEP services), at Ang Mo Kio, Yio Chu Kang and Yishun. The contract will commence in the first quarter of next year, and be implemented in five phases.

      Edited by gekpohboy 19 Apr `17, 7:47PM
  • TPS Timothy Mok's Avatar
    1,237 posts since Aug '07
    • Originally posted by gekpohboy:

      SBS Transit wins the Seletar Bus Contract.

      The seletar bus contract comprises of 26 bus services (including 2 new BSEP services), at Ang Mo Kio, Yio Chu Kang and Yishun.

      The contract will commence in five phases, from the first quarter of next year.

      The death of old bendy buses had already started. There will be 7 more B9TLs to replace all bendy buses on 190 first.

      The fleet of Seletar Bus Contract will have virtual reality hybrid double deckers for feeders.

      Edited by TPS Timothy Mok 19 Apr `17, 6:48PM
  • gekpohboy's Avatar
    2,180 posts since Mar '16
    • "People are like teabags. You have to put them into hot water before you know how strong they are."

      Let's see if SBS Transit can deliver good quality bus services in the Seletar Bus Contract.

      Edited by gekpohboy 19 Apr `17, 6:59PM
  • hgdep103's Avatar
    310 posts since Sep '16
    • Originally posted by dupdup77:

      Hi mr popokelai, yes I am right. In a much earlier post in sep or oct 2016, I have predicted sbs transit to win. But there are many doubters saying that the authorites reserve the 3 tenders for foreigner operators. Now I am proven right. Guess money really speaks loudly. How LTA will not award to Sbs transit in view of its super low bid? Guess they are rational when money is concerned. Cheers. Thanks.

      it just happened that SBST's tender had better quality than the others, thats all

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    21,313 posts since Nov '03
    • I don't see foreign operators have any chances if pricing was the key factor in future.

      If SMRT turn to bid absurb lowest bidding in the coming Bt Merah package too..

      Then,Its really goodbye and farewell to both Tower Transit and Go Ahead😂

  • azharjj's Avatar
    6,471 posts since Aug '07
  • dupdup77's Avatar
    3,087 posts since Nov '13
    • Originally posted by hgdep103:

      it just happened that SBST's tender had better quality than the others, thats all

      Hi mr hgdep103, that is just a smokescreen on the outer front to connect with people. They will not divulge whatever goes inside the boardroom. Cheers. Thanks.

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    21,313 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by hgdep103:

      it just happened that SBST's tender had better quality than the others, thats all

      480 million is very very hard to resist,Shareholders somemore.

      They have lost svc 2,3,6,12,15,17,34,36,41,43,49,62

      66,78,79,82,83,84,85,96,97,97e,98,118,119,136,143

      183,282,284,285,333,334,335,354,358,359,382,386

      403 & 518 but gain 800,803,804,805,806,811,812

      850e,851,852 & 860 and a new Depot..

      I predict Bt Merah will be won closely by both SBST and SMRT

    • Originally posted by azharjj:

      So are we expecting like for eg a KUB on 851? Haha

      SBST A22 & A95...I doubt they want the Enviro500 

  • hgdep103's Avatar
    310 posts since Sep '16
    • Originally posted by azharjj:

      So are we expecting like for eg a KUB on 851? Haha

      can happen... there will be no change to the current fleet on SBST side so dont be shocked if VSO or CDGE appears on ex SMRT services

  • gekpohboy's Avatar
    2,180 posts since Mar '16
    • Finally, a true blue Singaporean company that has proven track record.

      SMRT, next time bid lower than SBS Transit, okay? You also another company wth proven track record. All the best for the Ulu Pandan bus tender.

  • Formususeonly's Avatar
    224 posts since Sep '16
  • azharjj's Avatar
    6,471 posts since Aug '07
    • Maybe the bukit merah package goes to SMRT buses? Anything can happen. Somemore SMRT buses loses a number of svcs alrdy.

      Edited by azharjj 19 Apr `17, 7:30PM
  • gekpohboy's Avatar
    2,180 posts since Mar '16
    • Erm... first of all, I don't think SBS Transit is allowed to use buses from its other bus depots; only those that are in Seletar, Loyang and Bulim depots.

      Secondly, given the low asking price, I have a feeling that SBS Transit might have asked for a uniform bus fleet to use. Aka. Volvo B9TL Wright and Mercedes Benz Citaro.

      Whatever they do to cut cost, just don't upset the bus drivers... and everything should be okay.

      Edited by gekpohboy 19 Apr `17, 7:48PM
  • carbikebus's Avatar
    21,313 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by gekpohboy:

      Erm... first of all, I don't think SBS Transit is allowed to use buses from its other bus depots; only those that are in Seletar, Loyang and Bulim depots.

      Secondly, given the low asking price, I have a feeling that SBS Transit might have asked for a uniform bus fleet to use. Aka. Volvo B9TL Wright and Mercedes Benz Citaro.

      Whatever they do to cut cost, just don't upset the bus drivers... and everything should be okay.

      Possible too given SMRT have B9TL and Citaro too.

  • TIB429E's Avatar
    1,549 posts since Dec '13
    • Originally posted by Formususeonly:

      YES ! SBS Operating MAN A95 is my dream come true . Yes ah ! 

      Dont be too happy...who knows only Wright and Citaro icon_lol.gif

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    21,313 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by gekpohboy:

      Finally, a true blue Singaporean company that has proven track record.

      SMRT, next time bid lower than SBS Transit, okay? You also another company wth proven track record. All the best for the Ulu Pandan bus tender.

      100 million dollars cheaper who would resist?

  • TIB429E's Avatar
    1,549 posts since Dec '13
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      Possible too given SMRT have B9TL and Citaro too.

      Could probably explain why some Wrights and Citaro are still having SBST stickers inside? 

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    21,313 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by TIB429E:

      Could probably explain why some Wrights and Citaro are still having SBST stickers inside? 

      Hahaha i really wish they use only B9TL and Citaro for their Yishun svc.

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