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  • TIB429E's Avatar
    1,549 posts since Dec '13
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      I would like to see this happen if they wish to eliminate the BCM.

      Marina South/New Bridge Rd/Queen St/Shenton Way/Harbourfront & Bt Merah:SBS Transit.

      Buona Vista/Kent Ridge/Clementi/Ghim Moh:SMRT Buses.

      Jurong East/Bt Batok:SBS Transit.

      Boon Lay/Tuas/Joo Koon:Tower Transit Singapore.

      Choa Chu Kang/Gali Batu/Bt Panjang:Go-Ahead Singapore.

      Woodlands/Woodlands North:SBS Transit.

      Sembawang/Yishun:Tower Transit Singapore.

      Ang Mo Kio/Yio Chu Kang:SMRT Buses.

      Bishan/Toa Payoh/St Michaels:SBS Transit.

      Changi Airport/Changi Village/Pasir Ris/Tampines North:Tower Transit Singapore.

      Tampines/Tampines Concourse/Changi Business Park:SBS Transit.

      Bedok/Upp East Coast:Go-Ahead Singapore.

      Punggol/Sengkang:SMRT Buses.

      Hougang/Buangkok/Serangoon Central:Go-Ahead Singapore.

      Eunos/Sims Place/Lor 1 Geylang/Bidadari:SBS Transit.

       

      Tower Transit : 

      Bulim 
      Jurong West 
      Sengkang-Hougang [City]

      GAS :

      Loyang 
      Bedok
      Bishan-Toa Payoh [City]

      SBS Transit : 

      Seletar 
      Clementi 
      Tampines 
      Serangoon-Eunos [City]

      SMRT : 

      Sembawang-Yishun
      Woodlands
      Choa Chu Kang
      Bukit Merah [City] 

      Welp, messy it might seems, but at least the operators alone can do dual depot control, save travelling time. 

  • iveco's Avatar
    17,099 posts since Mar '04
    • I was hoping Kumho come spice things up but it is too late now i suppose.

       

      In that case, the following is the best arrangement:

       

      TT - Bulim

              Clementi 

      GAG - Loyang

                 Hougang (if SBST retained Bukit Merah)

      SBST - Seletar

                   Bishan

                   Bukit Merah

                   Serangoon

                   Bedok

                   Tampines (if Hougang went to GAG)

      SMRT - Sembawang

                    Woodlands

                    Chua Chu Kang

                    Jurong West

      Edited by iveco 06 May `17, 1:30AM
  • gekpohboy's Avatar
    2,180 posts since Mar '16
    • Wait wait wait. Didn’t we have a thread on this “create your own package” thingy?

      Edited by gekpohboy 06 May `17, 7:57AM
  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,424 posts since Nov '03
    • Got a feeling some of GAS B9TL will be place on storage👍🏻

    • I hope LTA will consider to revised 160 & 170/A/X back to Clementi package.48 & 174/174e can go to Bukit Merah package instead.

    • I wonder why SBST havent start the single depot control like what other Operators already done..Too many depots?

  • hgdep103's Avatar
    310 posts since Sep '16
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      I wonder why SBST havent start the single depot control like what other Operators already done..Too many depots?

      because there is no need to...

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,424 posts since Nov '03
  • hgdep103's Avatar
    310 posts since Sep '16
  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,424 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by hgdep103:

      that one their own problem

      Can like that meh?They got three depots and they used to practice the style also what.

    • So you mean if GAS wins Bt Merah,Svc like 2,5 & 12 all can dual depot control?

      So SBST 852 can also Sedep/Bbdep also?

  • SMB1333T's Avatar
    515 posts since Jun '13
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      Can like that meh?They got three depots and they used to practice the style also what.

      LTA only bought over their assets. How sbst and smrt want to manage their current bus ops is still up to them. SMRT chose to change to the single depot system themselves.

      But once the new packages up for bidding i dont think such a system will be used anymore, as all services under a package will operate from a single depot (ie lta already specified all svcs under seletar package will operate from seletar depot, and bt merah package from ulu pandan depot.)

      So no way of 852 being under se and bb dual

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,424 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by SMB1333T:

      LTA only bought over their assets. How sbst and smrt want to manage their current bus ops is still up to them. SMRT chose to change to the single depot system themselves.

      But once the new packages up for bidding i dont think such a system will be used anymore, as all services under a package will operate from a single depot (ie lta already specified all svcs under seletar package will operate from seletar depot, and bt merah package from ulu pandan depot.)

      So no way of 852 being under se and bb dual

      Isn't BCM already enforce?Maybe manpower problems that hinder SBST from doing so currently?

  • iveco's Avatar
    17,099 posts since Mar '04
    • Even with BCM in full swing in Perth, some bus routes are still dual depot controlled. I know Canning contract buses under TT sometimes serve on Southern River routes, and vice versa. In the old days when Path Transit still controlled the northern suburbs, Marmion and Joondalup buses were interchangeable.

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,424 posts since Nov '03
    • 1:Bulim TTS 2016

      2:Loyang GAS 2016

      3:Seletar SBST 2017

      4:Bt Merah ???? 2017

      5:Sembawang-Yishun ???? 2020

      6:Hougang-Sengkang ???? 2021

      7:Bedok ???? 2023

      8:Choa Chu Kang-Bt Panjang 2023

      9:Tampines ???? 2023

      10:Woodlands ???? 2023

      11:Jurong West ???? 2024

      12:Serangoon-Eunos ???? 2024

      13:Clementi ???? 2025

      14:Bishan-Toa Payoh ???? 2026

       

      SBST for sure will guaranteed major share..I am not too sure about TTS,GAS and SMRT.

  • iveco's Avatar
    17,099 posts since Mar '04
  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,424 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by iveco:

      Bukit Merah and Sembawang are likely to be held by the incumbents.

      Yes if they play their lowest bidding game..

      At least give TTS and GAS 2 contract each if they really wanna the lowest biddings..

  • iveco's Avatar
    17,099 posts since Mar '04
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      Yes if they play their lowest bidding game..

      At least give TTS and GAS 2 contract each if they really wanna the lowest biddings..

      If SBST hold on to Bukit Merah GAG can have Hougang. But SBST mustn't be allowed to take part in that round.

  • dupdup77's Avatar
    3,058 posts since Nov '13
    • Originally posted by iveco:

      If SBST hold on to Bukit Merah GAG can have Hougang. But SBST mustn't be allowed to take part in that round.

      Hi mr iveco, everybody should be able to bid. Cheers. Thanks.

  • iveco's Avatar
    17,099 posts since Mar '04
    • Originally posted by dupdup77:

      Hi mr iveco, everybody should be able to bid. Cheers. Thanks.

      In Perth, TT wasn't able to defend Kalamunda after wresting Marmion. We should implenent same rule to prevent monopoly.

  • dupdup77's Avatar
    3,058 posts since Nov '13
    • Originally posted by iveco:

      In Perth, TT wasn't able to defend Kalamunda after wresting Marmion. We should implenent same rule to prevent monopoly.

      Hi mr iveco, there are already 4 here. No more monopoly. Up to the people who choose. Regardless of the need to set rules, the authorities can just pick different ones if they want to. Cheers. Thanks.

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,424 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by iveco:

      If SBST hold on to Bukit Merah GAG can have Hougang. But SBST mustn't be allowed to take part in that round.

      Trust me it won't happen..They and SMRT has shareholders to answer for.I don't mind SBST is the main player but at least gave TTS/GAS to secure at least 2 contracts each.GAS got rail experience and TTS can learn from the system also.

      GAS can retain Loyang & win CCK-BPJ while TTS retain Bulim and win HGN-SKG.

      GAS runs NSL/BPJ LRT while TTS can handle NEL/SKG-PGL LRT.

      SMRT retain SBW-YIS,Ulu Pandan and Bedok while running TEL & EWL.

      SBST retain Jurong West,Clementi,BSN-TPY,Tampines,SGN-EUN & win Woodlands and run the DTL and CCL.

    • LYDEP NS & OS: Land Transport Authority (LTA)'s Bus Service Enhancement Programme: More Buses, Better Rides. SG5139P LYDEP N/A SG5140J LYDEP SG5141G LYDEP
      SG5142D LYDEP N/A SG5157L LYDEP SG5158J LYDEP SG5159G LYDEP SG5438B LYDEP SG5439Z LYDEP SG5440T LYDEP SG5593K LYDEP SG5594H LYDEP

      LTA Storage:Should storage all these 13 DDs and take 13 SD instead.

      GAS short of SD for now.


  • SMB128B's Avatar
    4,972 posts since May '11
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      LYDEP NS & OS: Land Transport Authority (LTA)'s Bus Service Enhancement Programme: More Buses, Better Rides. SG5139P LYDEP N/A SG5140J LYDEP SG5141G LYDEP
      SG5142D LYDEP N/A SG5157L LYDEP SG5158J LYDEP SG5159G LYDEP SG5438B LYDEP SG5439Z LYDEP SG5440T LYDEP SG5593K LYDEP SG5594H LYDEP

      LTA Storage:Should storage all these 13 DDs and take 13 SD instead.

      GAS short of SD for now.


      That's utter bull.. Just look at the amount of SDs on 12. It's horrible. 

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,424 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by SMB128B:

      That's utter bull.. Just look at the amount of SDs on 12. It's horrible. 

      Compared to SBST last time:19 DD / 6 SD,Now with only 20 DD / 5 SD(Jump bus) and LTA want it that way..

      But its freaking ridiculous to see 83 & 85 full DDs when their loadings nowhere near svc 3 loadings.

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