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  • SMB128B's Avatar
    4,981 posts since May '11
    • Originally posted by iveco:

      So? There is nothing we all can do.

       

      Anyway, Bukit Merah contract tender closes at the end of the month IIRC. Let's watch the drama unfold when the shortlist is revealed.

      The winner of the package will also be released at the end of the month. 

      Just look at which one offered the lowest price.

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,592 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by SMB128B:

      The winner of the package will also be released at the end of the month. 

      Just look at which one offered the lowest price.

      If TTS or GAS wins i will cut my hair bald.

      Who want to bet with me that SBST will win this package.Our new Tpt Ministar is king of saving cost mah..He also favour local co more

  • wsy1234's Avatar
    1,633 posts since Aug '07
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      If TTS or GAS wins i will cut my hair bald.

      Who want to bet with me that SBST will win this package.Our new Tpt Ministar is king of saving cost mah..He also favour local co more

      I perfer other companies win than the two local companies. even with other local company it ok not smrt or sbst. or else no point going for this bidding waste time. 

    • if LTA can force smrt to do just train service it will be welcome by many people. 

  • iveco's Avatar
    17,123 posts since Mar '04
    • If WTS joined with TongTar and Aedge and put in a really low bid, they might get it.

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,592 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by iveco:

      If WTS joined with TongTar and Aedge and put in a really low bid, they might get it.

      Those putting the lowest bids already got businesses here,First timer how to put lower cost?

      If SBST 400m,SMRT 395m,TTS 385m & GAS 375m do you think LTA still consider the lowest bid for this case?

  • SMB128B's Avatar
    4,981 posts since May '11
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      Those putting the lowest bids already got businesses here,First timer how to put lower cost?

      If SBST 400m,SMRT 395m,TTS 385m & GAS 375m do you think LTA still consider the lowest bid for this case?

      Of course! It's not as if their BCs have died on the job or they blew up their BYD (or destroyed any bus for their matter)

  • iveco's Avatar
    17,123 posts since Mar '04
    • Originally posted by SMB128B:

      Of course! It's not as if their BCs have died on the job or they blew up their BYD (or destroyed any bus for their matter)

      I remember a CNG-powered King Long blew up due to a fuel leak, killing the driver. Which company was it?

  • SMB128B's Avatar
    4,981 posts since May '11
    • Originally posted by iveco:

      I remember a CNG-powered King Long blew up due to a fuel leak, killing the driver. Which company was it?

      Oh well that's unfortunate. Doesn't matter, they managed Loyang well and they gave lowest price!

      After all, if we can give OKP the contract for the flyover why not do the same for BCM?

  • iveco's Avatar
    17,123 posts since Mar '04
    • Originally posted by SMB128B:

      Oh well that's unfortunate. Doesn't matter, they managed Loyang well and they gave lowest price!

      After all, if we can give OKP the contract for the flyover why not do the same for BCM?

      GAG so far so good. Can't say the same about Sun Gee. It was their bus that blew up due to design flaws. But then again, Transperth had 6 CNG buses burn down, albeit without fatalities. One of these vehicles (TP1610) was allocated to TT.

      WTS bid unsuccessfully for 3 contracts despite their long history as a private operator and their cool fleet. One thing i noticed is they always bid high.

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,592 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by iveco:

      GAG so far so good. Can't say the same about Sun Gee. It was their bus that blew up due to design flaws. But then again, Transperth had 6 CNG buses burn down, albeit without fatalities. One of these vehicles (TP1610) was allocated to TT.

      WTS bid unsuccessfully for 3 contracts despite their long history as a private operator and their cool fleet. One thing i noticed is they always bid high.

      WTS won't win the contract for sure.Theyre the most renowned private company in Singapore without any influential shareholders and sadly our gahmen don't like that.Now they're also outsourcing contractors to run Shuttle service for them..Already got so many complaine for Punggol and ALPS shuttle.Why they bid the highest?Simple because they know run public buses is different from private buses..

  • iveco's Avatar
    17,123 posts since Mar '04
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      WTS won't win the contract for sure.Theyre the most renowned private company in Singapore without any influential shareholders and sadly our gahmen don't like that.Now they're also outsourcing contractors to run Shuttle service for them..Already got so many complaine for Punggol and ALPS shuttle.Why they bid the highest?Simple because they know run public buses is different from private buses..

      That's why i said they need to put in a joint bid with other operators, especially those with a history of running PPSS routes.

      If they had LTY or Raymond Lim on their board, different story for sure.

      Edited by iveco 18 Aug `17, 9:56PM
  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,592 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by iveco:

      That's why i said they need to put in a joint bid with other operators, especially those with a history of running PPSS routes.

      If they had LTY or Raymond Lim on their board, different story for sure.

      No,No WTS please..Don't ask me why but having to work for them last time its enough.

  • iveco's Avatar
    17,123 posts since Mar '04
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      No,No WTS please..Don't ask me why but having to work for them last time its enough.

      Seems contrary to what you said on the previous page. confused.png

      Originally posted by carbikebus:

      Problem is naming,What to use?Singapore Urban Bus?Let Temasek buy 20% of the share also.If LTA gives them the 3 packages on permanent basis I'll be glad to join.

       

      Edited by iveco 18 Aug `17, 10:04PM
  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,592 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by SMB128B:

      Of course! It's not as if their BCs have died on the job or they blew up their BYD (or destroyed any bus for their matter)

      Maybe yes under LTY regime last time but not the current one

    • Chat with a few ARM from SBST and senior timekeeper from SMRT asking why i join foreign company which got no future and guarantee...Sad right

  • phillipC's Avatar
    1,014 posts since Feb '05
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      If TTS or GAS wins i will cut my hair bald.

      Who want to bet with me that SBST will win this package.Our new Tpt Ministar is king of saving cost mah..He also favour local co more

      Second that, probably or 99% will go to SBST

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,592 posts since Nov '03
    • If they want to recoup all losses why not just eradicate the BCM?

      After 2021 just invite reputable local private operators to form a 3rd operators to join SBST & SMRT?Save all the hassle of wayang again and again..

      SBST:Boon Lay-Joo Koon,Clementi-Buona Vista,Woodlands,Hougang-Sengkang,

      Tampines-Changi Biz Park,Bishan-Toa Payoh & Ang Mo Kio-Yio Chu Kang.

      SMRT:Choa Chu Kang-Bukit Panjang,Ulu Pandan,Serangoon-Eunos & Bedok.

      3rd local co:Pasir Ris-Punggol,Bukit Batok-Jurong East(4 Clementi svc xchange) &

      Sembawang-Yishun.

  • sgbuses's Avatar
    2,363 posts since Nov '05
  • iveco's Avatar
    17,123 posts since Mar '04
    • Bukit Merah contract only attracted 6 bidders. WTS stayed home this time, but GSH still upbeat.

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,592 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by iveco:

      Bukit Merah contract only attracted 6 bidders. WTS stayed home this time, but GSH still upbeat.

      Because they know the incumbents too agressive until have to resort bidding the lowest..And the new Tpt Ministar to wrap thing up..

  • TIB987K's Avatar
    2,033 posts since Oct '12
    • BUS SERVICES CONTINUE TO IMPROVE SINCE TRANSITION TO BCM

      News Releases
      4 Sep 2017

       

      • Less crowding on about three quarters of bus services during peak periods
      • Additional wait time reduced by 25% for 292 bus services
      • 14 new bus services added by year-end
      • 1,000 more bus captains, 80% locals
      • Close to $4 billion in subsidies over next five years under bus contracting
         

      1.  Our public bus industry fully transitioned to the bus contracting model (BCM) in September 2016.[1] Under the BCM, LTA determines the bus services to be provided and sets service standards. This enables the Government to introduce new bus services, and reduce wait time and crowdedness. To support the higher service standards, the Government will be subsidising close to $4 billion over the next five years to enhance bus services as we progressively build up our rail capacity.

      2.  O
      ver the last twelve months, two bus packages, i.e. Seletar and Bukit Merah, were put up for open tender. SBS Transit was awarded the Seletar package in April 2017 and will operate from the new Seletar bus depot by first quarter of 2018. The Bukit Merah bus package is currently under evaluation and expected to be implemented by end-2018.

      Higher Service Standards for Bus Commuters

      3.  To shorten wait time for commuters, an additional 96 buses were injected to improve 114 services. As a result, all bus services around the island now have scheduled headways of no more than 15 minutes during the morning and evening peak periods. More than half of the bus services have scheduled headways of 10 minutes or less. Feeder services run at even shorter intervals, between six to eight minutes. This has led to less crowding on about three quarters of bus services during peak periods.[2]

      4.  Bus arrivals have become more regular with the introduction of the Bus Service Reliability Framework (BSRF) as part of BCM. For the 292 high frequency bus services that are assessed on Excess Wait Time, the average additional wait time has been reduced by around 25% since transition to BCM. Of the 73 low frequency bus services assessed on On Time Adherence, 49 have shown improvement in their punctuality. As all bus services are now required to meet BSRF standards, commuters can expect further improvement to bus service reliability.

      5.  Connectivity has also been enhanced, as 10 new services have been added to the bus network since September 2016, with four more to be introduced by the end of the year. Together, these 14 new bus services will enhance connectivity in areas including Ang Mo Kio, Bedok, Bishan, Bukit Batok, Bukit Panjang, Hougang, Punggol, Sembawang, Sengkang, Tampines, Toa Payoh, Tuas, Whampoa and Yishun.[3]

      More Attractive Careers for Bus Workforce

      6.  Our bus workforce has benefitted from BCM due to increased competition from more industry players. All public bus operators have improved working conditions and employment terms in order to attract and retain bus captains. Since the implementation of the first bus package last May, more than 1,000 bus captains have joined the industry, of whom 80% are locals.[4]

      7.  Our bus workforce is key to the delivery of quality services under BCM. As such, we launched the Singapore Bus Academy in October 2016 to continually upgrade and professionalise our bus workforce. To date, more than 1,200 trainees from 42 intakes have completed the Enhanced Vocational Licence Training Programme. Moving forward, courses will also be developed for other bus professionals, including service controllers and bus technicians. Besides serving as a training centre, the Singapore Bus Academy will also serve as a career resource centre for those who are keen to embark on a career in the public bus industry.
       


      [1] This includes the two bus packages awarded to Tower Transit and Go-Ahead through open tenders, and the twelve packages that are operated by the incumbent operators, SBS Transit and SMRT Buses.

      [2] Measured as the proportion of bus services that have seen an improvement in average loading during peak periods between September 2016 and July 2017, compared with the same period a year ago.


      [3] Services 127, 129, 247, 248, 329, 374, 381, 883, 944 and 973 have already been introduced. More details on the other four new services will be announced later this year.

      [4] Locals include both Singaporeans and permanent residents.

      goo.gl/3vbJFK

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,592 posts since Nov '03
  • iveco's Avatar
    17,123 posts since Mar '04
    • If SMRT wins they might make 170X operate out of BPJ and renumber it as 974.

    • Originally posted by TIB987K:

      BUS SERVICES CONTINUE TO IMPROVE SINCE TRANSITION TO BCM

      News Releases
      4 Sep 2017

       

      • Less crowding on about three quarters of bus services during peak periods
      • Additional wait time reduced by 25% for 292 bus services
      • 14 new bus services added by year-end
      • 1,000 more bus captains, 80% locals
      • Close to $4 billion in subsidies over next five years under bus contracting
         

      1.  Our public bus industry fully transitioned to the bus contracting model (BCM) in September 2016.[1] Under the BCM, LTA determines the bus services to be provided and sets service standards. This enables the Government to introduce new bus services, and reduce wait time and crowdedness. To support the higher service standards, the Government will be subsidising close to $4 billion over the next five years to enhance bus services as we progressively build up our rail capacity.

      2.  O
      ver the last twelve months, two bus packages, i.e. Seletar and Bukit Merah, were put up for open tender. SBS Transit was awarded the Seletar package in April 2017 and will operate from the new Seletar bus depot by first quarter of 2018. The Bukit Merah bus package is currently under evaluation and expected to be implemented by end-2018.

      Higher Service Standards for Bus Commuters

      3.  To shorten wait time for commuters, an additional 96 buses were injected to improve 114 services. As a result, all bus services around the island now have scheduled headways of no more than 15 minutes during the morning and evening peak periods. More than half of the bus services have scheduled headways of 10 minutes or less. Feeder services run at even shorter intervals, between six to eight minutes. This has led to less crowding on about three quarters of bus services during peak periods.[2]

      4.  Bus arrivals have become more regular with the introduction of the Bus Service Reliability Framework (BSRF) as part of BCM. For the 292 high frequency bus services that are assessed on Excess Wait Time, the average additional wait time has been reduced by around 25% since transition to BCM. Of the 73 low frequency bus services assessed on On Time Adherence, 49 have shown improvement in their punctuality. As all bus services are now required to meet BSRF standards, commuters can expect further improvement to bus service reliability.

      5.  Connectivity has also been enhanced, as 10 new services have been added to the bus network since September 2016, with four more to be introduced by the end of the year. Together, these 14 new bus services will enhance connectivity in areas including Ang Mo Kio, Bedok, Bishan, Bukit Batok, Bukit Panjang, Hougang, Punggol, Sembawang, Sengkang, Tampines, Toa Payoh, Tuas, Whampoa and Yishun.[3]

      More Attractive Careers for Bus Workforce

      6.  Our bus workforce has benefitted from BCM due to increased competition from more industry players. All public bus operators have improved working conditions and employment terms in order to attract and retain bus captains. Since the implementation of the first bus package last May, more than 1,000 bus captains have joined the industry, of whom 80% are locals.[4]

      7.  Our bus workforce is key to the delivery of quality services under BCM. As such, we launched the Singapore Bus Academy in October 2016 to continually upgrade and professionalise our bus workforce. To date, more than 1,200 trainees from 42 intakes have completed the Enhanced Vocational Licence Training Programme. Moving forward, courses will also be developed for other bus professionals, including service controllers and bus technicians. Besides serving as a training centre, the Singapore Bus Academy will also serve as a career resource centre for those who are keen to embark on a career in the public bus industry.


      [1] This includes the two bus packages awarded to Tower Transit and Go-Ahead through open tenders, and the twelve packages that are operated by the incumbent operators, SBS Transit and SMRT Buses.

      [2] Measured as the proportion of bus services that have seen an improvement in average loading during peak periods between September 2016 and July 2017, compared with the same period a year ago.


      [3] Services 127, 129, 247, 248, 329, 374, 381, 883, 944 and 973 have already been introduced. More details on the other four new services will be announced later this year.

      [4] Locals include both Singaporeans and permanent residents.

      goo.gl/3vbJFK

      247 and 248 introduced but 256 got axed.

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