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  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,292 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by AJQZC:

      Mind sharing the original words of what they replied?

      I delete the reply months ago,What i remember they say the connection from Telok Kurau to Marine Terr will be lost..Rubbish to the max.If 150 skip Marine Terr and goes to Parkway and 15 skip Telok Kurau,The latter can easily get split shift DDs.

  • array88's Avatar
    1,400 posts since May '14
    • Originally posted by gekpohboy:

      For the areas already developed - like Lavender, Jurong and Bedok - if there should be, there would already be.

      For the new areas - like Punggol, Seletar and Tengah - the new bus routes are quite straightforward.

      The LTA has computer software(s) to analyse the utilisation and sustainability of bus routes.

      As a NUS student on president's scholarship, I would say that this thread is redundant.

      Explain why 46 which plies already developed areas was introduced.

      Edited by array88 05 Jul `16, 9:31AM
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      I delete the reply months ago,What i remember they say the connection from Telok Kurau to Marine Terr will be lost..Rubbish to the max.If 150 skip Marine Terr and goes to Parkway and 15 skip Telok Kurau,The latter can easily get split shift DDs.

      There should be less than 5 pax per trip using 150 from Telok Kurau to Marine Terr...

      Edited by array88 05 Jul `16, 9:34AM
    • Originally posted by autumncs:

      It would be nice if Toh Guan (IMM) has a fast service (via PIE) to Beauty World MRT, where commuters can change to Downtown Line, svc 52 or svc 985. The Toh Guan PIE exit can be quite congested during peak hours but there are no bus services using that PIE exit, which is quite a waste. Also, I'm fed up with the overcrowded East-West Line. LOL.

      It would also be nice if Toh Guan has a fast service to Jurong West, bypassing Jurong East Ave 1 & Jurong West Ave 1. The journey from IMM to Pioneer Road North on svc 502 took me around 40 minutes, which I think is ridiculous given that the fare for svc 502 is $0.60 higher than regular fares.

      Simple solution: Amend 41 to Boon Lay Way and Toh Guan Rd.

      But I guess we won't see this happen, or else 41 would have already been introduced this way...

  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,430 posts since May '12
    • Toh Guan Estate needs some bus restructuring. Almost all services are Jurong East bound. 

      41, 52, 105, 183, 333, 990 all go to Jurong East one way or the other. There is no direct service even to Lakeside and Boon Lay that are so nearby.

      My suggestions:

      41, 183, 333, 990 stay as it is and provide the necessary JE - Toh Guan MRT connection

      52 extend to Boon Lay via Jurong East Ave 1, Jurong Townhall Road, Lakeside MRT, Boon Lay Place, Boon Lay Interchange

      * This way you provide direct connection to IBP, Traders Center, IMM for people living along Chinese Garden, Lakeside, Boon Lay who have no option but to take EWL and then bus or walk

      105 extend to Bukit Batok interchange via Bukit Batok ave 1. 

      * In spite of Bukit Batok being very close to Toh Guan, there is no direct connection. 990 route is winding to Bukit Batok MRT. 

      These two changes can enhance connectivity between Toh Guan and neighbouring estates. There would still be 4 other services, hence it will not inconvenience current travelers.

      Feedback?

    • Originally posted by array88:

      Simple solution: Amend 41 to Boon Lay Way and Toh Guan Rd.

      But I guess we won't see this happen, or else 41 would have already been introduced this way...

      Won't happen because there is a sizeable number of people from Toh Guan Estate that take 41 to Beauty World MRT. 

  • lemon1974's Avatar
    9,344 posts since Dec '04
    • Originally posted by gekpohboy:

      For the areas already developed - like Lavender, Jurong and Bedok - if there should be, there would already be.

      For the new areas - like Punggol, Seletar and Tengah - the new bus routes are quite straightforward.

      The LTA has computer software(s) to analyse the utilisation and sustainability of bus routes.

      As a NUS student on president's scholarship, I would say that this thread is redundant.

      are u NUS student with president scholarship? if u got president scholarship, then u should be in US or UK.....why still stay in this forum, which u have say u will quit many times.

       

  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,430 posts since May '12
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      I delete the reply months ago,What i remember they say the connection from Telok Kurau to Marine Terr will be lost..Rubbish to the max.If 150 skip Marine Terr and goes to Parkway and 15 skip Telok Kurau,The latter can easily get split shift DDs.

      Yes it is bullshit reply. 150 is always empty except for the few times when both sv 15 and sv 155 have not arrived.

  • lemon1974's Avatar
    9,344 posts since Dec '04
    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      Toh Guan Estate needs some bus restructuring. Almost all services are Jurong East bound. 

      41, 52, 105, 183, 333, 990 all go to Jurong East one way or the other. There is no direct service even to Lakeside and Boon Lay that are so nearby.

      My suggestions:

      41, 183, 333, 990 stay as it is and provide the necessary JE - Toh Guan MRT connection

      52 extend to Boon Lay via Jurong East Ave 1, Jurong Townhall Road, Lakeside MRT, Boon Lay Place, Boon Lay Interchange

      * This way you provide direct connection to IBP, Traders Center, IMM for people living along Chinese Garden, Lakeside, Boon Lay who have no option but to take EWL and then bus or walk

      105 extend to Bukit Batok interchange via Bukit Batok ave 1. 

      * In spite of Bukit Batok being very close to Toh Guan, there is no direct connection. 990 route is winding to Bukit Batok MRT. 

      These two changes can enhance connectivity between Toh Guan and neighbouring estates. There would still be 4 other services, hence it will not inconvenience current travelers.

      Feedback?

      there is 188 to bukit batok (although not to Bukit Batok interchange)... 

      think it will be faster for ppl from Boon Lay Mrt/Lakeside Mrt to take mrt and then transfer to free shuttle to IMM... as for toh tuck HDB, there is 187 which is nearby (within walking distance or can take 333 to transfer)....

  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,430 posts since May '12
    • Originally posted by lemon1974:

      there is 188 to bukit batok (although not to Bukit Batok interchange)... 

      think it will be faster for ppl from Boon Lay Mrt/Lakeside Mrt to take mrt and then transfer to free shuttle to IMM... as for toh tuck HDB, there is 187 which is nearby (within walking distance or can take 333 to transfer)....

      True can transfer but direct is always better. Given that there are 6 services currently to MRT, I think 52/105 can be better utilized to meet direct connection needs of Toh Guan residents.

  • SMB1368T's Avatar
    1,135 posts since Mar '16
    • 114 (Sengkang to New Bridge Rd Ter)

      TPE/CTE

      Orchard Rd

      Bras Basah Rd

      Suntec City

      Raffles Ave 

      Eu Tong Sen St

      110 (Sengkang to New Bridge Rd Ter)

      KPE

      Nicoll Highway

      Esplanade Dr

      Fullerton Rd

      Shenton Way

      Cantonment Rd

      If want to go LT, tweak 114 to enter BT rd & LT rd which would otherwise be winding via TPE/CTE

      Edited by SMB1368T 05 Jul `16, 5:38PM
  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,292 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by lemon1974:

      are u NUS student with president scholarship? if u got president scholarship, then u should be in US or UK.....why still stay in this forum, which u have say u will quit many times.

       

      Hahahahahahaha good one..

    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      Toh Guan Estate needs some bus restructuring. Almost all services are Jurong East bound. 

      41, 52, 105, 183, 333, 990 all go to Jurong East one way or the other. There is no direct service even to Lakeside and Boon Lay that are so nearby.

      My suggestions:

      41, 183, 333, 990 stay as it is and provide the necessary JE - Toh Guan MRT connection

      52 extend to Boon Lay via Jurong East Ave 1, Jurong Townhall Road, Lakeside MRT, Boon Lay Place, Boon Lay Interchange

      * This way you provide direct connection to IBP, Traders Center, IMM for people living along Chinese Garden, Lakeside, Boon Lay who have no option but to take EWL and then bus or walk

      105 extend to Bukit Batok interchange via Bukit Batok ave 1. 

      * In spite of Bukit Batok being very close to Toh Guan, there is no direct connection. 990 route is winding to Bukit Batok MRT. 

      These two changes can enhance connectivity between Toh Guan and neighbouring estates. There would still be 4 other services, hence it will not inconvenience current travelers.

      Feedback?

      I would prefer Bulim take over Tuas,Joo Koon and Boon Lay while Ulu Pandan take Jurong East,Clementi and partial of Boon Lay svc.Kent Ridge,Buona Vista,Bt Merah and Harbourfront another package.Bt Batok,CCK and BPJ other new package.

  • autumncs's Avatar
    421 posts since Oct '06
    • Originally posted by lemon1974:

      there is 188 to bukit batok (although not to Bukit Batok interchange)... 

      think it will be faster for ppl from Boon Lay Mrt/Lakeside Mrt to take mrt and then transfer to free shuttle to IMM... as for toh tuck HDB, there is 187 which is nearby (within walking distance or can take 333 to transfer)....

      If I'm going to IMM from Boon Lay, I always take the MRT to Jurong East and then walk. Using the J-walk (a series of sheltered walkways linking Jurong East MRT and IMM) is actually faster than taking the free shuttle.

    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      True can transfer but direct is always better. Given that there are 6 services currently to MRT, I think 52/105 can be better utilized to meet direct connection needs of Toh Guan residents.

      Yeah, I also agree that Toh Guan has too many services to Jurong East. Amending one of the routes to serve Jurong West directly would be very helpful. 

      But then, Boon Lay interchange is already full, and an extension to Joo Koon interchange would be too long for svc 52/105. Where else can the extended service terminate? Soon Lee depot?

  • array88's Avatar
    1,400 posts since May '14
    • Originally posted by autumncs:

      Yeah, I also agree that Toh Guan has too many services to Jurong East. Amending one of the routes to serve Jurong West directly would be very helpful. 

      But then, Boon Lay interchange is already full, and an extension to Joo Koon interchange would be too long for svc 52/105. Where else can the extended service terminate? Soon Lee depot?

      I thought Boon Lay has a bit more space after Joo Koon amendments?

  • AJQZC's Avatar
    1,021 posts since Sep '08
    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      Toh Guan Estate needs some bus restructuring. Almost all services are Jurong East bound. 

      41, 52, 105, 183, 333, 990 all go to Jurong East one way or the other. There is no direct service even to Lakeside and Boon Lay that are so nearby.

      My suggestions:

      41, 183, 333, 990 stay as it is and provide the necessary JE - Toh Guan MRT connection

      52 extend to Boon Lay via Jurong East Ave 1, Jurong Townhall Road, Lakeside MRT, Boon Lay Place, Boon Lay Interchange

      * This way you provide direct connection to IBP, Traders Center, IMM for people living along Chinese Garden, Lakeside, Boon Lay who have no option but to take EWL and then bus or walk

      105 extend to Bukit Batok interchange via Bukit Batok ave 1. 

      * In spite of Bukit Batok being very close to Toh Guan, there is no direct connection. 990 route is winding to Bukit Batok MRT. 

      These two changes can enhance connectivity between Toh Guan and neighbouring estates. There would still be 4 other services, hence it will not inconvenience current travelers.

      Feedback?

      That could make 52 too long though. Also consider the alternative of 99 going to JE.

      For me, I feel that 41 has more potential to be extended:

      • Bulim Depot
      • Corporation Rd
      • Boon Lay Ave
      • Boon Lay Dr (following 246)
      • Corporation Rd
      • Boon Lay Way
      • Jurong East Ctrl
      • Toh Guan Rd
      • (usual route of 41 to Beauty World, and back).
      After which, 246's loop around Boon Lay Drive would be redundant, and it can be converted to ply Corporation Rd (to backup 178) and loop around Lakeside MRT instead.

      Only drawback would be the loss of a direct link from Jurong East Int/MRT to Toh Tuck and Beauty World.

       

      Edited by AJQZC 06 Jul `16, 12:23PM
  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,430 posts since May '12
    • Originally posted by autumncs:

      Yeah, I also agree that Toh Guan has too many services to Jurong East. Amending one of the routes to serve Jurong West directly would be very helpful. 

      But then, Boon Lay interchange is already full, and an extension to Joo Koon interchange would be too long for svc 52/105. Where else can the extended service terminate? Soon Lee depot?

      Boon Lay does have space to accommodate 1-2 services after the Joo Koon rehaul.

    • Originally posted by AJQZC:

      That could make 52 too long though. Also consider the alternative of 99 going to JE.

      For me, I feel that 41 has more potential to be extended:

      • Bulim Depot
      • Corporation Rd
      • Boon Lay Ave
      • Boon Lay Dr (following 246)
      • Corporation Rd
      • Boon Lay Way
      • Jurong East Ctrl
      • Toh Guan Rd
      • (usual route of 41 to Beauty World, and back).
      After which, 246's loop around Boon Lay Drive would be redundant, and it can be converted to ply Corporation Rd (to backup 178) and loop around Lakeside MRT instead.

      Only drawback would be the loss of a direct link from Jurong East Int/MRT to Toh Tuck and Beauty World.

       

      41 cannot be extended on Jurong East side because there is dedicated pool of people who take 41 from JE to Burgundy Hills/Toh Tuck. 

      The only alternatives is 52/105 as re-routing them at JE will not upset any commuters given that there are other alternatives. 

      52 to Boon Lay will be a bit longer but not too much also given that it will be quite fast via Boon Lay Way. Though I would like it to do Boon Lay Place, Boon Lay Ave as there are many new HDBs/amenities there that can provide direct connection beyond Lakeside.

  • Sbs6750E's Avatar
    1,930 posts since May '15
    • Originally posted by SMB1368T:

      114 (Sengkang to New Bridge Rd Ter)

      TPE/CTE

      Orchard Rd

      Bras Basah Rd

      Suntec City

      Raffles Ave 

      Eu Tong Sen St

      110 (Sengkang to New Bridge Rd Ter)

      KPE

      Nicoll Highway

      Esplanade Dr

      Fullerton Rd

      Shenton Way

      Cantonment Rd

      If want to go LT, tweak 114 to enter BT rd & LT rd which would otherwise be winding via TPE/CTE


      114 can go Sengkang West >YCK rd > CTE > TTSH > Orchard. 110 can go via MBS/MBFC.

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,292 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by Sbs6750E:


      114 can go Sengkang West >YCK rd > CTE > TTSH > Orchard. 110 can go via MBS/MBFC.

      I dont think LTA will introduce this kind of long svc anymore

  • SMB1368T's Avatar
    1,135 posts since Mar '16
    • Sengkang needs more CBD services leh...furthermore 80 and the NEL are already utilized well. Still got chance one if distance is like 117

      114 can be amended like that but I dont know if its too much depending on the necessity to enter those areas

      110 possible, though that would mean skipping Fullerton Rd

      Edited by SMB1368T 07 Jul `16, 3:24PM
  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,292 posts since Nov '03
  • SMB128B's Avatar
    4,968 posts since May '11
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      I dont think LTA will introduce this kind of long svc anymore

      Yea yea... The only thing they introduce is shitty Cheena sifang junk, and cover up when things fk up...

  • Sbs6750E's Avatar
    1,930 posts since May '15
    • Originally posted by SMB128B:

      Yea yea... The only thing they introduce is shitty Cheena sifang junk, and cover up when things fk up...


      Must show LTA video how can NEL be sometimes chaotic, just like sv 190...

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