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  • Marvel68's Avatar
    244 posts since Oct '14
    • Route Integration of 120 & 122 and amendment of service 186:

      - 122 will be withdrawn and 120 will be amended to cover 122's lost sector in Queenstown

      - 186 to cover the lost sector of 122 between Alexandra Rd and Tiong Bahru MRT while skipping Ganges Ave.

      - 121 will not be affected

      Amended 120: New Bridge Road - Commonwealth Drive

      New Bridge Road Ter

      Jalan Bukit Merah

      Kim Tian Rd

      Tiong Bahru Rd (Tiong Bahru MRT)

      Henderson Rd

      Telok Blangah Heights

      Telok Blangah Dr

      Telok Blangah Rd

      Alexandra Rd

      Jalan Bukit Merah

      Lengkok Bahru

      Redhill Rd

      Redhill Close

      Tiong Bahru Rd (Redhill MRT)

      Tanglin Rd

      Kay Siang Rd

      Margaret Dr

      Queensway

      Commonwealth Dr

      Commonwealth Ave

      Margaret Dr

      (Continue same route back to NBR Ter)

      Amended 186:

      Alexandra Rd

      Lower Delta Rd

      Tiong Bahru Rd

      Zion Rd

      Havelock Rd

      - 120's deleted sector along Alexandra Rd covered by 64, 33 & 145

      - 122's deleted sector from NBR to Tiong Bahru MRT already covered by 33, 63, 121 & 851

      - Skips a pair of bus stops along Lower Delta Rd, 3 bus stops along Jalan Bukit Merah, 2 pairs of bus stops along Tiong Bahru Road and Telok Blangah St 32.

       

      Pros:

      - Telok Blangah Heights residents gain a direct and faster link to Tiong Bahru MRT as compared to the current 120 route.

      - New link from Tiong Bahru MRT to Jalan Bukit Merah (Silat Rd)

      - Lengkok Bahru and Jalan Bukit Merah gain a new link to Redhill MRT

      - Link between Alexandra Retail Centre and Redhill MRT is maintained amd also from Telok Blangah Heights and Telok Blangah MRT.

      Cons:

      - Dawson residents lose direct link to Tiong Bahru MRT

      - Link between Redhill MRT and Jalan Bukit Merah is lost


  • CZT's Avatar
    484 posts since Jun '16
    • Originally posted by hairycrab138:

      Suggestion:

      When Bukit Panjang ITH opens:

      Service 75 withdrawn

      973 (Merge with 75) - Bukit Panjang Int to Marina Centre Terminal
      (Via Hillview / Hume Avenue)
      (All buses from 75 goes to enhancing Service 973 frequency)

      Svc 973 - Original
       
      Bukit Panjang Int
      Jelebu Road
      Bukit Panjang Road
      Pending Road
      Petir Road
      Dairy Farm Road
      Hillview Road
      Hillview Ave
      Hume Ave
      Upper Bukit Timah Road
      Service 75 route to Marina Centre Terminal

      Service 75 withdrawn

      Service 700 / 700A Amendment
      Service 75 original route
      Bukit Panjang Int
      Petir Road
      Service 700 / 700A original route 

      Service 176
      (Takeover 75's portion)
      Hillview Ave
      Hillview Road
      Upper Bukit Timah Road
      Cashew Road 
      Bukit Panjang Int

      Integrated Service 180 - Yishun to Boon Lay
      Service 171 - Yishun to Jelebu Road 
      Service 180 - Jelebu Road to Boon Lay Int
      (Service 171 deleted sector - Upper Bukit Timah Rd - Marina Centre Terminal)
      Deleted sector covered by Service 170/170A, 700/700A & 960.

      Service 177 dont call at Bukit Panjang Int - uses current route

      Service 184 & 920 as per normal.
       
      Service 922 (Amended)
      Bukit Panjang Int
      Petir Road
      Gangsa Road
      Bukit Panjang Road
      Bukit Panjang Ring Road
      Segar Road
      Bukit Panjang Ring Road (Greenridge Sec Sch)
      Fajar Road (Towards Fajar Shopping Centre)
      Segar Road
      Bukit Panjang Ring Road
      Bukit Panjang Road
      Gangsa Road
      Petir Road
      Bukit Panjang Int

      Service 970 turns straight to Bukit Panjang Road (Skips Gangsa Road)

      Service 972 as per normal.
      Service 975 as per normal.
      Service 979 / 979M to call at Bukit Panjang Int

      rationale for withdrawal/merging of 75? It seems from past posts that the withdrawal of 700/A is more likely to happen

  • Seveneighteightsix's Avatar
    44 posts since Nov '16
    • Speaking of the new Shenton Way Terminal opening, I feel that 400 be merged with 402 as the two services mostly duplicate each other.

      The new route would be the normal 400/402 route up to Marina Gardens Drive. After looping, it would turn right after exiting MG Dr and continue down towards Marina South Pier, before looping again and returning directly to Shenton Way.

      This will also most likely bring links to Marina South Pier Station as passengers from MG Dr (Gardens by the Bay, Marina Barrage) will be connected to MSP Stn first before looping back to Downtown. 

      Map: http://routes.one/idea/323

      Edited by Seveneighteightsix 02 Jun `17, 5:44PM
    • Trunk Svc 93 extension to Marina Centre

      Map and details: http://routes.one/idea/325

    • Trunk Svc 120 extension to HarbourFront and amendment to Chin Swee Rd upon opening of Kampong Bahru Terminal

      Map and details: http://routes.one/idea/326

  • TPS Timothy Mok's Avatar
    1,145 posts since Aug '07
    • Merge 120 and 402 together, become Marina South Pier -> Telok Blangah Drive (Loop). The Shenton Way part will be removed and will be replaced by North South Line which operates CBTC. but u need to go by Chin Swee Road with no bus stops affected.

  • CZT's Avatar
    484 posts since Jun '16
    • Originally posted by Seveneighteightsix:

      Speaking of the new Shenton Way Terminal opening, I feel that 400 be merged with 402 as the two services mostly duplicate each other.

      The new route would be the normal 400/402 route up to Marina Gardens Drive. After looping, it would turn right after exiting MG Dr and continue down towards Marina South Pier, before looping again and returning directly to Shenton Way.

      This will also most likely bring links to Marina South Pier Station as passengers from MG Dr (Gardens by the Bay, Marina Barrage) will be connected to MSP Stn first before looping back to Downtown. 

      Map: http://routes.one/idea/323

      yup agreed. Plus the loading for the 2 services r quite low right? Amending it would not affect too many people

  • SG5064X's Avatar
    367 posts since Dec '16
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    44 posts since Nov '16
  • SMB1368T's Avatar
    1,135 posts since Mar '16
    • just wait till Seletar Line gets ready first. Im thinking of having 886 which complements 856 in Senoko. Perhaps can run there too?

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,292 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by SG5064X:

      Merge 700A with 400 & 402 would be a great idea.

      400 & 402 still got loadings even though its not so high.402 also cater the ferry terminal pier.There will be residential at Marina South in future too.

  • SBS3004X's Avatar
    3,491 posts since Jan '14
    • Service 884

      Sembawang - Yishun

      Sembawang Int

      Sembawang Vista

      Canberra Rd

      Wellington Circle

      Montreal Dr (partial U/C)

      Canberra Dr

      Canberra Walk

      Canberra Cres

      Canberra Way

      Canberra Link

      Yishun Ave 2

      Yishun Ring Rd

      Yishun Ave 5

      Yishun Central 

      Yishun Int

  • ButIAmAToilet's Avatar
    331 posts since Jun '14
    • Some ideas for thought after DTL3 opens

      Amendment of Svc 65 via PIE/Ganges

      Current route to Bedok Reservoir

      Bedok Nth Rd (Bedok Nth MRT), PIE, Jln Kolam Ayer (missing sectors replaces by Svc 66)

      Resume route from Bendemeer/Serangoon until Dhoby Ghaut MRT

      Switch routes with Svc 64 from Dhoby Ghaut MRT - Lower Delta Rd

      Resume route to Harbourfront

       

      Svc 64 via MacPherson/Orchard

      Current route to Aljunied Rd

      Merpati/Circuit/Pipit/Mattar Rd (Mattar MRT) (R/W plates)

      Current route to Dhoby Ghaut MRT

      Svc 65 route from Dhoby Ghaut MRT - Lower Delta Rd

      Resume route to Queensway

       

      Pros

      Direct link from Bedok Reservoir to Bedok Nth MRT (no existing links)

      Direct link from Sims Estate to DTL3 (Mattar MRT)

      Retains MacPherson - Orchard link

      Cons

      Lost direct link from Kaki Bukit - Orchard (DTL3 alternative but requires transfers)

      Capacity upgrade might be needed

      Frequency from Little India - Bedok affected (due to Svc 66 coming down from JE)

  • TPS Timothy Mok's Avatar
    1,145 posts since Aug '07
    • Originally posted by ButIAmAToilet:

      Some ideas for thought after DTL3 opens

      Amendment of Svc 65 via PIE/Ganges

      Current route to Bedok Reservoir

      Bedok Nth Rd (Bedok Nth MRT), PIE, Jln Kolam Ayer (missing sectors replaces by Svc 66)

      Resume route from Bendemeer/Serangoon until Dhoby Ghaut MRT

      Switch routes with Svc 64 from Dhoby Ghaut MRT - Lower Delta Rd

      Resume route to Harbourfront

       

      Svc 64 via MacPherson/Orchard

      Current route to Aljunied Rd

      Merpati/Circuit/Pipit/Mattar Rd (Mattar MRT) (R/W plates)

      Current route to Dhoby Ghaut MRT

      Svc 65 route from Dhoby Ghaut MRT - Lower Delta Rd

      Resume route to Queensway

       

      Pros

      Direct link from Bedok Reservoir to Bedok Nth MRT (no existing links)

      Direct link from Sims Estate to DTL3 (Mattar MRT)

      Retains MacPherson - Orchard link

      Cons

      Lost direct link from Kaki Bukit - Orchard (DTL3 alternative but requires transfers)

      Capacity upgrade might be needed

      Frequency from Little India - Bedok affected (due to Svc 66 coming down from JE)

      66 go to 18 Tai Seng, then go Bedok after Mattar. Save travelling time :) Or go by KPE to Pasir Ris Interchange :)

      Edited by TPS Timothy Mok 07 Jun `17, 2:34PM
    • The suggestion of bus route from the north west to the NTU is low. Of course, it will not happen as it will waste $5,000 just to get an empty bus on public holiday or Sunday.

      Territorial restrictions are not of one key. In a nod to this, it considers demand, and the journey time taken for commuters. 161 and 168 serves Woodlands Ave 2 (to serve the future junior college that is completed in 2005). 969 serves Tampines Ave 7/Ave 9/Ave 10, but could have served Ave 5 to overcome more resident demand ratio. The 3-town restriction began in 2001 with service 168. Service 67 is not under 3-town restriction.

      Edited by TPS Timothy Mok 07 Jun `17, 2:41PM
  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,292 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by TPS Timothy Mok:

      The suggestion of bus route from the north west to the NTU is low. Of course, it will not happen as it will waste $5,000 just to get an empty bus on public holiday or Sunday.

      Territorial restrictions are not of one key. In a nod to this, it considers demand, and the journey time taken for commuters. 161 and 168 serves Woodlands Ave 2 (to serve the future junior college that is completed in 2005). 969 serves Tampines Ave 7/Ave 9/Ave 10, but could have served Ave 5 to overcome more resident demand ratio. The 3-town restriction began in 2001 with service 168. Service 67 is not under 3-town restriction.

      Are you high on weed?

  • SBS3004X's Avatar
    3,491 posts since Jan '14
    • Originally posted by TPS Timothy Mok:

      The suggestion of bus route from the north west to the NTU is low. Of course, it will not happen as it will waste $5,000 just to get an empty bus on public holiday or Sunday.

      Territorial restrictions are not of one key. In a nod to this, it considers demand, and the journey time taken for commuters. 161 and 168 serves Woodlands Ave 2 (to serve the future junior college that is completed in 2005). 969 serves Tampines Ave 7/Ave 9/Ave 10, but could have served Ave 5 to overcome more resident demand ratio. The 3-town restriction began in 2001 with service 168. Service 67 is not under 3-town restriction.

      Would you care to explain what 3-town restriction is?

      And in case you didn't know, the 'future junior college' is merging in 2019.

      Edited by SBS3004X 07 Jun `17, 5:03PM
  • iveco's Avatar
    17,089 posts since Mar '04
    • 3-town rule was a dumb regulation that only served to entrench SBS monopoly after the 1999 swaps.

  • SMB1368T's Avatar
    1,135 posts since Mar '16
    • the restriction means that routes cannot serve more than 3 estates, for eg 118 (Punggol, Tampines, CBP), though 858 is an exception

  • AJQZC's Avatar
    1,021 posts since Sep '08
    • Originally posted by SMB1368T:

      the restriction means that routes cannot serve more than 3 estates, for eg 118 (Punggol, Tampines, CBP), though 858 is an exception

      That's long outdated. Consider 106 (plus its extension from MRC to Shenton), or even 117. Plus numerous other services, old or new.

      Edited by AJQZC 07 Jun `17, 10:45PM
  • SMB1368T's Avatar
    1,135 posts since Mar '16
  • ButIAmAToilet's Avatar
    331 posts since Jun '14
    • 3-town rule only mainly applies to 39,85,161,168,965,966 and 969. But since most of them are diverted to serve the TPE stop (sengkang/punggol) and 966 serves Jln Toa Payoh, think they don't really care le

  • TPS Timothy Mok's Avatar
    1,145 posts since Aug '07
    • Originally posted by ButIAmAToilet:

      3-town rule only mainly applies to 39,85,161,168,965,966 and 969. But since most of them are diverted to serve the TPE stop (sengkang/punggol) and 966 serves Jln Toa Payoh, think they don't really care le

      3: Tampines, Pasir Ris, Changi Airport

      20: Tampines, Simei, Changi Business Park

      34: Punggol, Tampines, Changi Airport

      39: Tampines, Pasir Ris, Yishun (No extensive detouring in Yishun)

      46: Tampines, Bedok, Upper East Coast

      85: Punggol, Sengkang, Yishun (No extensive detouring in Yishun)

      102: Hougang, Sengkang, Jalan Kayu

      117: Punggol, Yishun, Sembawang

      118: Punggol, Tampines, Changi Business Park

      129: Tampines, Toa Payoh, St Michael's

      161: Hougang, Sengkang, Woodlands (No extensive detouring in Woodlands)

      168: Bedok, Tampines, Woodlands (No extensive detouring in Woodlands)

      190: Choa Chu Kang, Bukit Panjang, CBD

      965: Woodlands, Yishun, Sengkang (No extensive detouring in Sengkang)

      966: Woodlands, Bukit Panjang, Marine Parade (No extensive detouring in Bukit Panjang). It does not really care since 966 was extended to serve some stops, but avoiding Toa Payoh.

      969: Woodlands, Yishun, Tampines (No extensive detouring in Tampines)

      The "3-town rule" is also brought forward by LTA's BSEP and thus applied to other services.

      All of these routes are planned by LTA (after 1995) and prior to the LTA in 1995, the Minister dictates bus services and bus fares.

      103 was only extended to Yishun after the barriers were opened up with Yishun Avenue 8 and Seletar Aerospace Park development.

      Edited by TPS Timothy Mok 08 Jun `17, 1:01PM
    • Originally posted by AJQZC:

      That's long outdated. Consider 106 (plus its extension from MRC to Shenton), or even 117. Plus numerous other services, old or new.

      103 was originally planned to be Yishun -> Serangoon on the day when NEL opened, cutting away the New Bridge Road section that would otherwise be duplicated by 147.

      106 is oldest route so far, from Bukit Batok to Serangoon, and takes forever to achieve. When it cut back to Marina Centre and brought forward by extending to MBS, average bus drivers time is about 70 minutes.

      Only 27 (Sengkang - Hougang), 80 (Sengkang - Kovan excluding Buangkok), 107 (Hougang - Potong Pasir), 133 (Serangoon - Boon Keng) and 147 (Hougang - Outram Park excluding Dhoby Ghaut and Kovan) can run parallel to the NEL, because the load does not drop like crazy.

      Edited by TPS Timothy Mok 08 Jun `17, 1:00PM
  • dupdup77's Avatar
    3,046 posts since Nov '13
    • Originally posted by TPS Timothy Mok:

      3: Tampines, Pasir Ris, Changi Airport

      20: Tampines, Simei, Changi Business Park

      34: Punggol, Tampines, Changi Airport

      39: Tampines, Pasir Ris, Yishun (No extensive detouring in Yishun)

      46: Tampines, Bedok, Upper East Coast

      85: Punggol, Sengkang, Yishun (No extensive detouring in Yishun)

      102: Hougang, Sengkang, Jalan Kayu

      117: Punggol, Yishun, Sembawang

      118: Punggol, Tampines, Changi Business Park

      129: Tampines, Toa Payoh, St Michael's

      161: Hougang, Sengkang, Woodlands (No extensive detouring in Woodlands)

      168: Bedok, Tampines, Woodlands (No extensive detouring in Woodlands)

      190: Choa Chu Kang, Bukit Panjang, CBD

      965: Woodlands, Yishun, Sengkang (No extensive detouring in Sengkang)

      966: Woodlands, Bukit Panjang, Marine Parade (No extensive detouring in Bukit Panjang). It does not really care since 966 was extended to serve some stops, but avoiding Toa Payoh.

      969: Woodlands, Yishun, Tampines (No extensive detouring in Tampines)

      The "3-town rule" is also brought forward by LTA's BSEP and thus applied to other services.

      All of these routes are planned by LTA (after 1995) and prior to the LTA in 1995, the Minister dictates bus services and bus fares.

      103 was only extended to Yishun after the barriers were opened up with Yishun Avenue 8 and Seletar Aerospace Park development.

      Hi mr TPS Timothy Mok, 3 is tampines-pasir ris-Punggol. 3 does not go to changi airport as what you have written. Cheers. Thanks.

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