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  • array88's Avatar
    1,400 posts since May '14
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      23:Tampines Concourse Int-Queen Street Ter

      Tampines Concourse Int

      Tampines Ave 5-2 stops

      Tampines Ave 1-5 stops

      Bedok North Rd Etxn-Express

      Bedok North Rd-1 stop

      PIE

      Jln Kolam Ayer-2 stops

      Bendemeer Rd-5 stops

      Jln Besar-3 stops

      Queen St Ter

      --------

      Queen St Ter

      Rochor Rd-1 stop

      Rochor Canal Rd-1 stop

      Serangoon Rd-8 stops

      Jln Kolam Ayer-2 stops

      PIE

      Bedok North Rd-1 stop

      Bedok North Rd Etxn-Express

      Tampines Ave 1-5 stops

      Tampines Ave 5-2 stops

      Tampines Concourse Int

       

      BCs get the chance to rest and relieve at Queen St,2 lots is enough.

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

      I would not shift 23 to Tampines Concourse... It has quite good loading from Tampines Int and few alternative services.

      Edited by array88 02 Jul `17, 9:46PM
  • SG4043S's Avatar
    15 posts since Jun '17
    • 376 (Compassvale to Fernvale Link; 386 style)

      Via

      Anchorvale Dr

      Anchorvale Lane

      Anchorvale Link (serves with NR6)

      Sengkang East Way

      Fernvale Link

      Sengkang West Ave (plies in 2 ways)

      Edited by SG4043S 02 Jul `17, 9:55PM
  • SBS3004X's Avatar
    3,491 posts since Jan '14
    • Originally posted by SG4043S:

      376 (Compassvale to Fernvale Link; 386 style)

      Via

      Anchorvale Dr

      Anchorvale Lane

      Anchorvale Link (serves with NR6)

      Sengkang East Way

      Fernvale Link

      Sengkang West Ave (plies in 2 ways)

      1: There is no right turn from Anchorvale Link to Sengkang East Ave.

      2: Residents at Fernvale Link can walk to Layar LRT to go to Sengkang. Those on the other side can walk to Sengkang West Ave to take 50 or Fernvale LRT.

      3: Your route doesn't link Fernvale Link residents with any facilities in Sengkang, besides the town centre, which is already served by LRT and existing buses, and some schools.

      Confirm will have kosong loading.

      Edited by SBS3004X 02 Jul `17, 10:06PM
  • SG4043S's Avatar
    15 posts since Jun '17
    • which explains why the routes today are satisfactory bcos the roads are complicated. Eg 329 dosent go to Buangkok like you want it to go because its near

      anyway, the route is actually turning left and not right from Anchorvale Link

      in addition, it is strange that you want 374 to enter Fernvale Link when you stated the alternatives for the residents to go to Sengkang as well. I think I remember you also stated before that you have been wanting for a route to that road eh?

      note that I am just saying

  • SBS3004X's Avatar
    3,491 posts since Jan '14
    • Originally posted by SG4043S:

      which explains why the routes today are satisfactory bcos the roads are complicated. Eg 329 dosent go to Buangkok like you want it to go because its near

      anyway, the route is actually turning left and not right from Anchorvale Link

      in addition, it is strange that you want 374 to enter Fernvale Link when you stated the alternatives for the residents to go to Sengkang as well. I think I remember you also stated before that you have been wanting for a route to that road eh?

      note that I am just saying

      My 374 extension uses the upper end of Fernvale Link.

  • SMB145B's Avatar
    2,252 posts since Dec '12
    • Originally posted by SMB315C:

      Amendments to Woodlands Town Services

      Intra-Town 911: Woodlands Int - Woodlands St 82 & Ave 3 (loop)
      - Sv902 to be withdrawn and merge with Sv911
      - Enhance connectivity to Republic Poly & Marsiling Stn
      - Commuters along the East loop travelling to Woodlands Train Checkpt can alight at Woodlands Int and take Sv856 & Sv950M
      - Commuters along the West loop travelling to Woodlands Train Checkpt can alight at Marsiling Stn and take Sv856 & Sv950M at Opp Marsiling Stn
      - Commuters travelling to Riverside Sec Sch can take Sv858, Sv900/A, Sv904, Sv913, Sv964, Sv965 & Sv969 to Blk 825 and walk

      Route :
      (East loop)
      Woodlands Int
      Woodlands Ave 2 (Non-stop)
      Woodlands Ave 9 (Republic Poly)
      Woodlands St 81 (Non-stop)
      Woodlands St 82
      Woodlands Ave 4
      Woodlands St 83
      Woodlands Ave 7
      Woodlands Int

      (West loop)
      Woodlands Int
      Woodlands Ave 3 (Non-stop)
      Woodlands St 13
      Woodlands Ctr Rd (Marsiling Pr Sch)
      Woodlands Ave 3 (Marsiling Stn)
      Woodlands St 11 (Non-stop)
      Woodlands St 13
      Woodlands Ave 3 (Non-stop)
      Woodlands Int

      Intra-Town 912: Woodlands Int - Woodlands Ave 7 & Ave 3 (loop)
      - Enhance connectivity to Fuchun CC, Woodlands Polyclinic & Marsiling Stn
      - Commuters along the East loop travelling to Woodlands Train Checkpt can alight at Woodlands Int and take Sv856 & Sv950M
      - Commuters along the West loop travelling to Woodlands Train Checkpt can alight at Opp Marsiling Stn and take Sv856 & Sv950M

      Route :
      (East loop remains the same)
      (West loop)
      Woodlands Int
      Woodlands Ave 5
      Woodlands Ave 2
      Woodlands Ave 1
      Woodlands St 41
      Woodlands Ave 1 (Fuchun CC)
      Woodlands St 31 (Woodlands Polyclinic)
      Woodlands Ave 3 (Opp Marsiling Stn)
      Woodlands Ave 1
      Woodlands St 41
      Woodlands Ave 1
      Woodlands Ave 2
      Woodlands Ave 5
      Woodlands Int

      Intra-Town 913: Woodlands Int - Woodlands Circle & Ave 3 (loop)
      - Enhance connectivity to Marsiling Stn
      - Commuters along the East loop travelling to Woodlands Train Checkpt can alight at Woodlands Int and take Sv856 & Sv950M
      - Commuters along the West loop travelling to Woodlands Train Checkpt can alight at Marsiling Stn and take Sv856 & Sv950M at Opp Marsiling Stn

      Route:
      (East loop remains the same)
      (West loop)
      Woodlands Int
      Woodlands Ave 5
      Marsiling Rise
      Marsiling Rd
      Woodlands Ctr Rd (Marsiling Pr Sch)
      Woodlands Ave 3 (Marsiling Stn)
      Woodlands St 11 (Non-stop)
      Woodlands St 13 (Blk 154)
      Woodlands Ctr Rd (Non-stop)
      Marsiling Rd
      Marsiling Rise
      Woodlands Ave 5
      Woodlands Int

      New Service 950M: Woodlands Int - Woodlands Ctr Rd (loop)
      - Alternative service between Woodlands & Woodlands Train Checkpt
      - Fleet consisting mixture of Rigid & High-capacity buses

      Route:
      Woodlands Int
      Woodlands Ave 3
      Woodlands Ctr Rd
      Woodlands Ave 3
      Woodlands Int

      Old Woodlands will be gone, for expansion of Woodlands CIQ.

      and hopefully 160, 170(X) and 950 will be mix rigid and DD fleet.

      amend 903 as well to just loop at Marsiling Estate, take note that 912A loops at Woodlands St 41.

      Edited by SMB145B 03 Jul `17, 12:44AM
  • TIB987K's Avatar
    1,925 posts since Oct '12
    • Originally posted by SBS3004X:

      Ok, but will this service not stop at Blk 531 bus stop? (The one currently only used by NR8)

      No, it will serve the bus stop and the opposite bus stop, Opp Blk 532.

      Edited by TIB987K 03 Jul `17, 12:15PM
  • Scopittabuses's Avatar
    145 posts since Mar '17
  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,293 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by array88:

      I would not shift 23 to Tampines Concourse... It has quite good loading from Tampines Int and few alternative services.

      Alternative can board opp Tampines Hub

    • Originally posted by SMB145B:

      Old Woodlands will be gone, for expansion of Woodlands CIQ.

      and hopefully 160, 170(X) and 950 will be mix rigid and DD fleet.

      amend 903 as well to just loop at Marsiling Estate, take note that 912A loops at Woodlands St 41.

      Wait long2 got DD 

  • Scopittabuses's Avatar
    145 posts since Mar '17
    • http://www.scribblemaps.com/maps/view/oMXfApK6ZV

       

      how 329 should have been constructed

  • AJQZC's Avatar
    1,021 posts since Sep '08
    • Originally posted by SBS3004X:

      Repost: Feeder 943 (with bus stops included)

      Underline: Road names

      Bold: New bus stops

      Italics: Looping point (will not call at bus stop opposite)

       

      Bukit Batok Int - Bukit Batok West Ave 2/4 (Loop)

      Bukit Batok Central

      Block 628

      Bukit Batok West Ave 3

      Bukit Batok Polyclinic

      Blk 140

      Princess Elizabeth Pri Sch

      Bukit Batok West Ave 8

      Blk 445A

      Blk 440 MSCP

      Blk 438A

      Bukit Batok West Ave 5

      Opp Blk 467

      Blk 303

      Opp Blk 532

      Opp Bukit Gombak Stn

      Blk 347

      Bukit Batok West Ave 7

      Opp HomeTeamNS

      Blk 334

      Blk 406

      Bukit Batok Rd

      Blk 402

      Bukit Batok West Ave 2

      Bukit Batok Home For The Aged

      Bukit Batok West Ave 4

      Blk 419

      Seems a bit too long when 945 / 947 are already doing the job at West Ave 2/4/5, and a merger is not suitable either. I think can cut at Bt Gombak MRT plus a loop around Bt Batok Rd. So like this:

      (943)

      • BB Int
      • BB West Ave 3   (Poly, Blk 140, PEPS)
      • BB West Ave 8   (Blk 445A, Blk 440)
      • BB West Ave 6   (Blk 442A)
      • BB Rd   (Opp Blk 437)
      • BB West Ave 5   (Opp Blk 435A, Opp Blk 467)
      • BB St 31   (Blk 309)
      • BB West Ave 5   (Bt Gombak MRT, Blk 531)
      • Loop back

      In addition to this feeder, BB West area should have about 1-2 trunk services to link to nearby towns (Jurong East / CCK / Bt Panjang / Tengah). Some considerations are as follows:

      (928)

      • BB Int
      • BB West Ave 3   (Poly)
      • BB West Ave 6   (Blk 451, Blk 461C)
      • BB West Ave 8   (Blk 438A)
      • BB West Ave 4   (Blk 419)
      • BB West Ave 7   (Blk 406)
      • BB Rd
      • Brickland Rd
      • CCK Grove
      • Keat Hong Link
      • CCK Ave 1

      • * (merge with 308 and loop around CCK MRT, as with other merged cross-town feeders such as 3, 38, 60. Minimal duplication with feeder 943.)

      (180)

      • (Existing route from Boon Lay)
      • BB Rd
      • BB West Ave 6 / 8 / 5
      • BB Rd
      • (Existing route to BPJ)
      • -
      • ** (Between 160 and 180, only one route should be changed if need be, and with minimal amendments if possible)

      (New service to Tengah)

      (New / amended service for better link to Jurong East)

      Other existing services mostly stay as they are.

      Edited by AJQZC 03 Jul `17, 3:49PM
  • iveco's Avatar
    17,089 posts since Mar '04
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      23:Tampines Concourse Int-Queen Street Ter

      Tampines Concourse Int

      Tampines Ave 5-2 stops

      Tampines Ave 1-5 stops

      Bedok North Rd Etxn-Express

      Bedok North Rd-1 stop

      PIE

      Jln Kolam Ayer-2 stops

      Bendemeer Rd-5 stops

      Jln Besar-3 stops

      Queen St Ter

      --------

      Queen St Ter

      Rochor Rd-1 stop

      Rochor Canal Rd-1 stop

      Serangoon Rd-8 stops

      Jln Kolam Ayer-2 stops

      PIE

      Bedok North Rd-1 stop

      Bedok North Rd Etxn-Express

      Tampines Ave 1-5 stops

      Tampines Ave 5-2 stops

      Tampines Concourse Int

       

      BCs get the chance to rest and relieve at Queen St,2 lots is enough.

       

       

      Some people will tell you that the looping point @ Sim Lim is too vital to be removed. They told me that when i suggested Route 23 extend to Chinatown to make up for the lost links caused by the truncation of Routes 81 & 103.

    • Originally posted by AJQZC:

      Seems a bit too long when 945 / 947 are already doing the job at West Ave 2/4/5, and a merger is not suitable either. I think can cut at Bt Gombak MRT plus a loop around Bt Batok Rd. So like this:

      (943)

      • BB Int
      • BB West Ave 3   (Poly, Blk 140, PEPS)
      • BB West Ave 8   (Blk 445A, Blk 440)
      • BB West Ave 6   (Blk 442A)
      • BB Rd   (Opp Blk 437)
      • BB West Ave 5   (Opp Blk 435A, Opp Blk 467)
      • BB St 31   (Blk 309)
      • BB West Ave 5   (Bt Gombak MRT, Blk 531)
      • Loop back

      In addition to this feeder, BB West area should have about 1-2 trunk services to link to nearby towns (Jurong East / CCK / Bt Panjang / Tengah). Some considerations are as follows:

      (928)

      • BB Int
      • BB West Ave 3   (Poly)
      • BB West Ave 6   (Blk 451, Blk 461C)
      • BB West Ave 8   (Blk 438A)
      • BB West Ave 4   (Blk 419)
      • BB West Ave 7   (Blk 406)
      • BB Rd
      • Brickland Rd
      • CCK Grove
      • Keat Hong Link
      • CCK Ave 1

      • * (merge with 308 and loop around CCK MRT, as with other merged cross-town feeders such as 3, 38, 60. Minimal duplication with feeder 943.)

      (180)

      • (Existing route from Boon Lay)
      • BB Rd
      • BB West Ave 6 / 8 / 5
      • BB Rd
      • (Existing route to BPJ)
      • -
      • ** (Between 160 and 180, only one route should be changed if need be, and with minimal amendments if possible)

      (New service to Tengah)

      (New / amended service for better link to Jurong East)

      Other existing services mostly stay as they are.

      Last time, BGB had 989, but it was merged with 185 to form 985. A short-lived variant 985W did ply BBT West Ave 5 full stretch though.

  • Waynechew1003's Avatar
    155 posts since Apr '17
    • Originally posted by CZT:

      1. 902 will highly likely be withdrawn once TEL is up and runnning, unless LTA/SMRT still want it to serve as a complimentary service

      2. idk exactly how to express myself for 950M, it seems like a good idea and a bad idea at the same time, like it kinda relieve the loading as serves as the most direct service to woodlands train checkpoint, but the thing is, correct me if im wrong, how many ppl would alight there? Can be a lot when the causeway is jammed and ppl would walk in, but i think there is a chance where not a lot of ppl will gonna use it, esp off peak periods?

      Actually I'm a RP student. Actually once TEL start running, 902 i still important because most of the students travel to WDL via bus and usually take 902 to sch. The TEL station at WDL north its at one corner and very far from the main entrance. Students rather take from int as it nearer to the classes

  • array88's Avatar
    1,400 posts since May '14
    • I know this 858 issue has been discussed countless times, but I just had a rather insane idea.

       

      Service 858: Woodlands - Changi Business Park

      Woodlands Temp Int
      (current 858 route to TPE)
      Upp Changi Rd East
      Expo Dr
      Changi South Ave 1
      Changi Business Pk Ave 1
      Changi Business Pk Ctrl 1/2
      Changi South Ave 1
      Changi Business Park Ter

       

      Service 958: Woodlands - Changi Airport (Loop)
      Calls at the following bus stops only.

      Woodlands Temp Int
      Woodlands Ave 7
      - opp Admiralty Stn / Admiralty Stn
      Sembawang Way
      - opp Sembawang Stn / Sembawang Stn
      Canberra Rd (Express)
      Sembawang Rd
      - aft Sembawang Shop Ctr / opp Sembawang Shop Ctr
      Yishun Ave 5
      - opp Blk 701A / Blk 701
      - Blk 145 / Blk 741

      Yishun Ave 2
      - opp Yishun Stn / Yishun Stn
      - opp Khatib Stn / bef Khatib Stn

      Lentor Ave (Express)
      TPE
      Jln Kayu

      - bef Seletar Camp G / aft Seletar Camp G
      TPE
      - aft Punggol Rd / bef Punggol Rd
      PIE (Express)
      Airport Blvd
      (calls at all bus stops)
      ... and loop at T3/T1/T2 and back.

      Edited by array88 03 Jul `17, 8:53PM
  • SBS3004X's Avatar
    3,491 posts since Jan '14
    • Originally posted by AJQZC:

      Seems a bit too long when 945 / 947 are already doing the job at West Ave 2/4/5, and a merger is not suitable either. I think can cut at Bt Gombak MRT plus a loop around Bt Batok Rd. So like this:

      (943)

      • BB Int
      • BB West Ave 3   (Poly, Blk 140, PEPS)
      • BB West Ave 8   (Blk 445A, Blk 440)
      • BB West Ave 6   (Blk 442A)
      • BB Rd   (Opp Blk 437)
      • BB West Ave 5   (Opp Blk 435A, Opp Blk 467)
      • BB St 31   (Blk 309)
      • BB West Ave 5   (Bt Gombak MRT, Blk 531)
      • Loop back

      In addition to this feeder, BB West area should have about 1-2 trunk services to link to nearby towns (Jurong East / CCK / Bt Panjang / Tengah). Some considerations are as follows:

      (928)

      • BB Int
      • BB West Ave 3   (Poly)
      • BB West Ave 6   (Blk 451, Blk 461C)
      • BB West Ave 8   (Blk 438A)
      • BB West Ave 4   (Blk 419)
      • BB West Ave 7   (Blk 406)
      • BB Rd
      • Brickland Rd
      • CCK Grove
      • Keat Hong Link
      • CCK Ave 1

      • * (merge with 308 and loop around CCK MRT, as with other merged cross-town feeders such as 3, 38, 60. Minimal duplication with feeder 943.)

      (180)

      • (Existing route from Boon Lay)
      • BB Rd
      • BB West Ave 6 / 8 / 5
      • BB Rd
      • (Existing route to BPJ)
      • -
      • ** (Between 160 and 180, only one route should be changed if need be, and with minimal amendments if possible)

      (New service to Tengah)

      (New / amended service for better link to Jurong East)

      Other existing services mostly stay as they are.

      Actually I did consider looping at BB Rd, but it will increase travelling time to BB MRT/Int.

      The whole point of my route not looping around BB Rd was to give residents a choice between BB and Bt Gombak MRTs.

  • SMB145B's Avatar
    2,252 posts since Dec '12
  • CZT's Avatar
    486 posts since Jun '16
    • Originally posted by Waynechew1003:

      Actually I'm a RP student. Actually once TEL start running, 902 i still important because most of the students travel to WDL via bus and usually take 902 to sch. The TEL station at WDL north its at one corner and very far from the main entrance. Students rather take from int as it nearer to the classes

      Hmm ok valid point then, maybe we will still have to see how things go in 2019 onwards then

    • Originally posted by array88:

      I know this 858 issue has been discussed countless times, but I just had a rather insane idea.

       

      Service 858: Woodlands - Changi Business Park

      Woodlands Temp Int
      (current 858 route to TPE)
      Upp Changi Rd East
      Expo Dr
      Changi South Ave 1
      Changi Business Pk Ave 1
      Changi Business Pk Ctrl 1/2
      Changi South Ave 1
      Changi Business Park Ter

       

      Service 958: Woodlands - Changi Airport (Loop)
      Calls at the following bus stops only.

      Woodlands Temp Int
      Woodlands Ave 7
      - opp Admiralty Stn / Admiralty Stn
      Sembawang Way
      - opp Sembawang Stn / Sembawang Stn
      Canberra Rd (Express)
      Sembawang Rd
      - aft Sembawang Shop Ctr / opp Sembawang Shop Ctr
      Yishun Ave 5
      - opp Blk 701A / Blk 701
      - Blk 145 / Blk 741

      Yishun Ave 2
      - opp Yishun Stn / Yishun Stn
      - opp Khatib Stn / bef Khatib Stn

      Lentor Ave (Express)
      TPE
      Jln Kayu

      - bef Seletar Camp G / aft Seletar Camp G
      TPE
      - aft Punggol Rd / bef Punggol Rd
      PIE (Express)
      Airport Blvd
      (calls at all bus stops)
      ... and loop at T3/T1/T2 and back.

      not very confident wif your 958 idea thou... idk if ppl will complain anot haha

      but ur new 858 i think its pretty ok leh, maybe consider to swap the routes, like shorten 858 to be more direct but stop at all stops along the way, while ur 958 (which i prefer to call it, let say 967) can make use of the winding route to changi business park

  • TIB987K's Avatar
    1,925 posts since Oct '12
  • CZT's Avatar
    486 posts since Jun '16
    • Originally posted by SMB145B:

      A lot of red masking tapes!

      sorry could you explain urself? Thanks

  • SMB145B's Avatar
    2,252 posts since Dec '12
    • Originally posted by TIB987K:

      Where?

      to now i still don't know the reason why cross border services aren't given any high capacity buses.

      someone mentioned there is a 150 buses limit. then due to the exchange rate between S$ and RM, the traffic on the Woodlands Crossing becomes very heavy. 170 alone had 40 KUBs, not counting 170X. we have also 160, 950 along with other buses on this very link. 

      Any 950 buses that call at opposite MSL will be full during peak hours. 856 which calls at WTCP will also be full at the same stop, despite it being a DD majority service. SMB315C had said to intro 950M between WDL and WTCP. note that transfers from any service at WTCP to bus services at WDL X-ing has a 45mins limit. is the majority doing such transfers?

      The height limit at both WDL X-ing and BSI are both 4.5m at least. this certainly allows DDs on Cross Border Services. JB-rigged buses are required for such services. SPAD cannot allow DDs to be JB-rigged? LTA does not want DDs for Cross Border Services? the U-turn under Jalan Terbau is not 4.5m?

  • array88's Avatar
    1,400 posts since May '14
    • Originally posted by SMB145B:

      to now i still don't know the reason why cross border services aren't given any high capacity buses.

      someone mentioned there is a 150 buses limit. then due to the exchange rate between S$ and RM, the traffic on the Woodlands Crossing becomes very heavy. 170 alone had 40 KUBs, not counting 170X. we have also 160, 950 along with other buses on this very link. 

      Any 950 buses that call at opposite MSL will be full during peak hours. 856 which calls at WTCP will also be full at the same stop, despite it being a DD majority service. SMB315C had said to intro 950M between WDL and WTCP. note that transfers from any service at WTCP to bus services at WDL X-ing has a 45mins limit. is the majority doing such transfers?

      The height limit at both WDL X-ing and BSI are both 4.5m at least. this certainly allows DDs on Cross Border Services. JB-rigged buses are required for such services. SPAD cannot allow DDs to be JB-rigged? LTA does not want DDs for Cross Border Services? the U-turn under Jalan Terbau is not 4.5m?

      I think SMB315C's suggestion of 950M is more to compensate for connection between Woodlands and WTCP, as he also suggested amending 911, 912, 913 to Marsiling MRT, skipping WTCP.

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