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  • JKYY's Avatar
    111 posts since Oct '17
    • Marina South Integrated Transport Hub will open way later (2025-2030) due to limited developments in the area and limited usage of the Marina South MRT Station when it opens in 2021, though there is a possibility of that. Bus 23 should be extended to terminate somewhere near the looping point such that Bus Captains need not drive all the way back to Tampines for a break.

  • array88's Avatar
    1,421 posts since May '14
    • IMO it's more urgent to extend 62 for a terminus as compared to 23. Now it seems unlikely that LTA will make 62 terminate at Lor 1 Geylang Ter.

  • Path Light's Avatar
    1,834 posts since Feb '15
    • Service 512

      Compassvale > Jurong East

      Sengkang Square

      Sengkang East Road

      Tampines Expressway

      Central Expressway

      Pan Island Expressway

      Lorong 6 Toa Payoh

      Pan Island Expressway

      Jurong Town Hall Road

      Boon Lay Way

      Jurong East Central

      Jurong Gateway Road

  • SMB145B's Avatar
    2,257 posts since Dec '12
    • Originally posted by array88:

      IMO it's more urgent to extend 62 for a terminus as compared to 23. Now it seems unlikely that LTA will make 62 terminate at Lor 1 Geylang Ter.

      Eunos Interchange or Sims Place Terminal

  • JKYY's Avatar
    111 posts since Oct '17
    • The looping sector of Bus 62 from Aljunied Stn bus stop to Opp Aljunied Stn bus stop is pretty redundant though when it is covered by Bus 63, 80, 100 and 158 (partially). In my opinion, shortening it to Sims Place Terminal would mean that commuters to Aljunied Stn would have to walk from the terminal or transfer to another bus. Extension to Eunos Interchange would be interesting if it went via Eunos Industrial Estate to reduce duplication along Sims Avenue and Geylang Road and new links there.

  • shellstation's Avatar
    81 posts since Aug '08
    • Seems like the new plot of flats at Tamp St 45 is almost ready. Will there be a new service or is 28 and 293 able to tank the load?

  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,463 posts since May '12
    • Originally posted by shellstation:

      Seems like the new plot of flats at Tamp St 45 is almost ready. Will there be a new service or is 28 and 293 able to tank the load?

      293 going bi-directional can definitely tank the load as some will go to DTL and some to EWL. 

  • Gus.chong's Avatar
    9,830 posts since Jun '10
    • Originally posted by JKYY:

      The looping sector of Bus 62 from Aljunied Stn bus stop to Opp Aljunied Stn bus stop is pretty redundant though when it is covered by Bus 63, 80, 100 and 158 (partially). In my opinion, shortening it to Sims Place Terminal would mean that commuters to Aljunied Stn would have to walk from the terminal or transfer to another bus. Extension to Eunos Interchange would be interesting if it went via Eunos Industrial Estate to reduce duplication along Sims Avenue and Geylang Road and new links there.

      This had to be traced back to its amendment as part of the NEL rationalisation in 2003...From a perusal of the records, the cutback to loop at Lor 1 Geylang (though no bus stops were served on that road) seems to me as a measure to prevent duplication with 2 and 12 - the route which 62 plies from Geylang to New Bridge Road is entirely the same with the former 2 services. Though it did loop at Kallang MRT for quite a period of time 2004 as part of the Lor 1 Geylang modifications.

  • dupdup77's Avatar
    3,058 posts since Nov '13
    • Originally posted by Gus.chong:

      This had to be traced back to its amendment as part of the NEL rationalisation in 2003...From a perusal of the records, the cutback to loop at Lor 1 Geylang (though no bus stops were served on that road) seems to me as a measure to prevent duplication with 2 and 12 - the route which 62 plies from Geylang to New Bridge Road is entirely the same with the former 2 services. Though it did loop at Kallang MRT for quite a period of time 2004 as part of the Lor 1 Geylang modifications.

      Hi mr Gus.chong, yes precisely. 62 duplicates 2 and 12 to new bridge road. Thus it was cut back to loop at geylang lor 1 with the bus stop nearest kallang mrt at the stop along sims ave right immediately after geylang lor 1.

      On the other hand, 2 was also cut back to new bridge road terminal because it duplicates 147 and 196 (198 a section as well) from Jalan Bukit merah all the way until buona vista. 12 used to go to buona vista too and was cut back to new bridge road upon 32 introduction. That was in the heydays. Cheers. Thanks.

      Edited by dupdup77 06 Oct `17, 7:20AM
  • iveco's Avatar
    17,101 posts since Mar '04
    • 32 used to loop at Chinatown. 198 used to serve Queenstown MRT. Having said that, i think 198 should help link Leng Kee with Queenstown MRT since there is no bus connection from there to any nearby MRT station since 139 was amended away from Redhill.

      Normal route to Commonwealth MRT, Commonwealth Ave (Queenstown MRT), Leng Kee Rd, Hoy Fatt Rd, normal route to Bukit Merah interchange. 

      Edited by iveco 06 Oct `17, 8:08AM
  • TPS Timothy Mok's Avatar
    1,160 posts since Aug '07
    • Originally posted by Gus.chong:

      This had to be traced back to its amendment as part of the NEL rationalisation in 2003...From a perusal of the records, the cutback to loop at Lor 1 Geylang (though no bus stops were served on that road) seems to me as a measure to prevent duplication with 2 and 12 - the route which 62 plies from Geylang to New Bridge Road is entirely the same with the former 2 services. Though it did loop at Kallang MRT for quite a period of time 2004 as part of the Lor 1 Geylang modifications.

      62 was cut back from New Bridge Road to Geylang Lorong 1, unrelated to NEL but because it makes people go round the world where people do not want. They cut it short only at Geylang Lorong 1. But it make sense owing to the closure of Hougang South and relocation to Punggol. so there is no more direct CBD bus service from the terminus station of the EWL West (Tuas/Joo Koon) and NEL (Punggol) unlike Pasir Ris where we have 2,12,518.

      Edited by TPS Timothy Mok 06 Oct `17, 10:06AM
  • array88's Avatar
    1,421 posts since May '14
    • Originally posted by lemon1974:

      nothing wrong with all those private buses...

      they are paid for by the companies there such as DBS...if these companies are willing to pay for the private buses for their staff, we should be happy, cos we (taxpayers) wont have to subsidy more services. 

      we cant keep on putting more new services/extending more new services, when the main demand at CBP are during peak hours..

      My relative stay in AMK but work in DBS CBP.. she said that if there is no free shuttle from TPY to CBP, she wont be working there...  if no free shuttle, she will have to take feeder to AMK Mrt, then to Bishan MRT --> CCL --> EWL, then transfer another bus to get to DBS..   if there is a bus service from AMK to CBP, how long it will take? at least 1 1/2 hrs travel time unless it is express.  the free shuttle from TPY to CBP use PIE and took around 30 mins...and there are definitely seats available. 

      Inspired by the quote above. I think it's really time for more semi-express services to CBP.

       

      Service 164: Yio Chu Kang - Changi Business Park

      https://routes.one/idea/573

       

      - Connects AMK, Bishan and Toa Payoh East directly to CBP, Tanah Merah and Bedok North Ave 3

      - Passes through major transfer hubs (AMK Ave 3, Braddell Rd, Jln Toa Payoh, Jln Kolem Ayer) for commuters from other services (as far as 966 from Woodlands/BPJ) to CBP

      - Relieves load on svc 35 at Xilin Ave

      - Enhances connectivity for Toa Payoh East (the part where 57 plies)

      - Relieves load on svc 50 from AMK Ave 8 to Bishan MRT

      - If necessary, can be made peak-hour service

    • Service 155 amendment at Bedok:

      https://routes.one/idea/574

       

      - New bus service for Bedok North St 2

      - Enhances connectivity between Bedok North and Bedok South (Temasek JC, Victoria School)

      - Improves utility for 155's route in Bedok (which is rather uselsss today)

  • autumncs's Avatar
    423 posts since Oct '06
    • Originally posted by array88:

      Service 155 amendment at Bedok:

      https://routes.one/idea/574

       

      - New bus service for Bedok North St 2

      - Enhances connectivity between Bedok North and Bedok South (Temasek JC, Victoria School)

      - Improves utility for 155's route in Bedok (which is rather uselsss today)

      I like the idea of a bus service for Bedok North St 2.

      However, I foresee some difficulty for a bus to turn right from Bedok North Ave 3 into Bedok North St 2, because Bedok North Ave 3 often has heavy traffic in both directions. LTA can install traffic lights at the junction of Ave 3 and St 2, but the new traffic lights may exacerbate the traffic jam on Ave 3 (esp northbound).

  • TPS Timothy Mok's Avatar
    1,160 posts since Aug '07
    • 137 should be diverted via Bedok North Street 1 and Bedok North Avenue 1 instead of Bedok North Street 1, Bedok North Avenue 3 and New Upper Changi Road.

      This is to prevent duplication with 155 and to ensure optimum utilisation of bus services.

      298 should be diverted via Tampines Street 41, Tampines Avenue 9, Tampines Avenue 7, Tampines Central 7 and Tampines Concourse.

      This is to prevent duplication with 129 and to ensure optimum utilisation of bus services.

      That is why they will start on 21 October 2017 as we need time to go through their bus services bit by bit to make sure it does not duplicate services that are already extended.

      Edited by TPS Timothy Mok 07 Oct `17, 10:42AM
  • autumncs's Avatar
    423 posts since Oct '06
    • Originally posted by TPS Timothy Mok:

      62 was cut back from New Bridge Road to Geylang Lorong 1, unrelated to NEL but because it makes people go round the world where people do not want. They cut it short only at Geylang Lorong 1. But it make sense owing to the closure of Hougang South and relocation to Punggol. so there is no more direct CBD bus service from the terminus station of the EWL West (Tuas/Joo Koon) and NEL (Punggol) unlike Pasir Ris where we have 2,12,518.

      Punggol used to have 82 going to the CBD but it was cut to Serangoon during the NEL rationalisation...

      The EWL used to end at Boon Lay, where 30, 174, 197 and 502 used to go to the CBD. 30 used to go to Shenton Way/Robinson Rd but was amended to bypass the CBD in the 1990s (with the bypassed portion covered by 10).

      197 used to serve Jurong East/West Ave 1 and terminated at Geylang Lor 1, but the western portion was shortened to Jurong East (with the deleted portion covered by 198) and the eastern portion extended to Bedok in the 1990s to cover the deleted 41.

      174 originally terminated in NTU, but it was amended to Boon Lay in the 1990s when NTU bus terminal closed down. (I still feel that NTU deserves its own bus terminal, like NUS Kent Ridge.)

      502 used to serve Boon Lay to Sengkang. The western portion was extended to Pioneer Rd North and later to Soon Lee Depot, while the eastern portion was amended from Sengkang to Suntec during the NEL rationalisation, later amended to a uni-directional service via Bayfront, and later amended to Shenton Way when ECP closed and MCE opened). 

  • AJQZC's Avatar
    1,021 posts since Sep '08
    • Originally posted by array88:

      Inspired by the quote above. I think it's really time for more semi-express services to CBP.

       

      Service 164: Yio Chu Kang - Changi Business Park

      https://routes.one/idea/573

       

      - Connects AMK, Bishan and Toa Payoh East directly to CBP, Tanah Merah and Bedok North Ave 3

      - Passes through major transfer hubs (AMK Ave 3, Braddell Rd, Jln Toa Payoh, Jln Kolem Ayer) for commuters from other services (as far as 966 from Woodlands/BPJ) to CBP

      - Relieves load on svc 35 at Xilin Ave

      - Enhances connectivity for Toa Payoh East (the part where 57 plies)

      - Relieves load on svc 50 from AMK Ave 8 to Bishan MRT

      - If necessary, can be made peak-hour service

      Some considerations:

      - For AMK side, can be amended to serve some of the new BTOs along Ave 1. Can even be partially merged with the rumoured service 71 if need be.

      - Can consider serving Bedok North Ave 4 area instead of Tanah Merah MRT (seeing that there is less need for it given DTL3)

      - Changi South Ave 3 to Xilin is closed for DTL3e works.

      - Route is somewhat long overall, and there may not be enough "express" elements to sway many commuters from CBP (if they still prefer existing premium services).

      Aside those, route is quite good. I like the links from AMK and Toa Payoh to Bishan MRT as well as Geylang Bahru MRT (on the PIE). Can serve as a good relief to some areas during NSL disruptions.

      ================================

      IMO a good alternative could be via Braddell Rd / Bartley Rd East directly to Bedok North Rd / Bedok Reservoir Rd / PIE / Simei Ave / Xilin Ave / CBP. Skips Toa Payoh and Bedok, but gives a much faster route to Bishan to allow for transfers.

      Edited by AJQZC 08 Oct `17, 11:17AM
    • ================================

      229 --> 149

      • - BNDEP
      • - Bedok North Ave 4 / Rd / Ave 3
      • - Bedok Reservoir Rd
      • - Bedok North Rd / Ave 1
      • - Chai Chee St / Rd
      • - New Upp Changi Rd
      • - Bedok South Rd
      • - Bedok South Ave 3
      • - UEC Rd
      • - Bedok South Rd (loop)

      This connects DTL3 to most of the remaining unconnected areas in Bedok (Chai Chee, Bedok South Rd, Bedok North Ave 4).

      Service number may be retained (if reclassified as intra-town) or changed (if reclassified as trunk). Also saves the need to introduce a new service.

      Either 7 or 40 may be amended to Chai Chee St / Rd to cover for 229's lost link.

      Edited by AJQZC 08 Oct `17, 11:08PM
  • SMB145B's Avatar
    2,257 posts since Dec '12
    • Originally posted by AJQZC:

      ================================

      229 --> 149

      • - BNDEP
      • - Bedok North Ave 4 / Rd / Ave 3
      • - Bedok Reservoir Rd
      • - Bedok North Rd / Ave 1
      • - Chai Chee St / Rd
      • - New Upp Changi Rd
      • - Bedok South Rd
      • - Bedok South Ave 3
      • - UEC Rd
      • - Bedok South Rd (loop)

      This connects DTL3 to most of the remaining unconnected areas in Bedok (Chai Chee, Bedok South Rd, Bedok North Ave 4). Saves the need to introduce a new service.

      Either 7 or 40 may be amended to Chai Chee St / Rd to cover for 229's lost link.

      why the number changed?

      it is still Bedok area, isn't it?

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,427 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by AJQZC:

      Some considerations:

      - For AMK side, can be amended to serve some of the new BTOs along Ave 1. Can even be partially merged with the rumoured service 71 if need be.

      - Can consider serving Bedok North Ave 4 area instead of Tanah Merah MRT (seeing that there is less need for it given DTL3)

      - Changi South Ave 3 to Xilin is closed for DTL3e works.

      - Route is somewhat long overall, and there may not be enough "express" elements to sway many commuters from CBP (if they still prefer existing premium services).

      Aside those, route is quite good. I like the links from AMK and Toa Payoh to Bishan MRT as well as Geylang Bahru MRT (on the PIE). Can serve as a good relief to some areas during NSL disruptions.

      ================================

      IMO a good alternative could be via Braddell Rd / Bartley Rd East directly to Bedok North Rd / Bedok Reservoir Rd / PIE / Simei Ave / Xilin Ave / CBP. Skips Toa Payoh and Bedok, but gives a much faster route to Bishan to allow for transfers.

      With the BCM,I don’t think LTA allowed new svc start from Depot anymore...And why must 149?Can simply use 1 or 164(There is 168 under Bedok).

  • Path Light's Avatar
    1,834 posts since Feb '15
    • Originally posted by autumncs:

      Punggol used to have 82 going to the CBD but it was cut to Serangoon during the NEL rationalisation...

      The EWL used to end at Boon Lay, where 30, 174, 197 and 502 used to go to the CBD. 30 used to go to Shenton Way/Robinson Rd but was amended to bypass the CBD in the 1990s (with the bypassed portion covered by 10).

      197 used to serve Jurong East/West Ave 1 and terminated at Geylang Lor 1, but the western portion was shortened to Jurong East (with the deleted portion covered by 198) and the eastern portion extended to Bedok in the 1990s to cover the deleted 41.

      174 originally terminated in NTU, but it was amended to Boon Lay in the 1990s when NTU bus terminal closed down. (I still feel that NTU deserves its own bus terminal, like NUS Kent Ridge.)

      502 used to serve Boon Lay to Sengkang. The western portion was extended to Pioneer Rd North and later to Soon Lee Depot, while the eastern portion was amended from Sengkang to Suntec during the NEL rationalisation, later amended to a uni-directional service via Bayfront, and later amended to Shenton Way when ECP closed and MCE opened). 

      How to extend 502 back to Sengkang? Any suggestions?

      Edited by Path Light 14 Nov `17, 10:02AM
  • AJQZC's Avatar
    1,021 posts since Sep '08
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      With the BCM,I don’t think LTA allowed new svc start from Depot anymore...And why must 149?Can simply use 1 or 164(There is 168 under Bedok).

      That's a shame then. Perhaps loop near BNDEP? Not sure whether extending to Simei or CBP would be helpful given the additional length.

      Using 149 because it still bears resemblance to 229. 1 can be reserved for a popular CBD--Punggol route. 164 is better utilized in either Clementi, Sengkang or central area. (P.S. no point fighting over a route numbering!)

      Edited by AJQZC 09 Oct `17, 12:06AM
  • Path Light's Avatar
    1,834 posts since Feb '15
    • Service 511

      Compassvale > Harbourfront

      Sengkang Square

      Sengkang East Road

      Tampines Expressway

      Central Expressway

      Pan Island Expressway

      Thomson Road

      Newton Road

      Scotts Road

      Paterson Road

      Irwell Bank Road

      Kim Seng Road

      Outram Road

      Tiong Bahru Road

      Lower Delta Road

      Kampong Bahru Road

      Telok Blangah Road

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,427 posts since Nov '03
    • 27M:Compassvale Int-Tampines Int(Loop)

      Weekdays:0600-2200 Weekends:0630-2130

      5 DD & 3 SD.Can reduce 4-5 svc 27 buses.

      34M:Punggol Int-Tampines Ctrl 1(Loop)

      Weekdays:0600-2100 Weekends:0630-2000

      5 DD & 1 SD.

      36M:Siglap Link-Tomlinson Rd(Loop)

      Weekdays:0630-2130 Weekends:0700-2100

      4 DD & 2 SD.

      Edited by carbikebus 14 Oct `17, 10:21AM
  • Marvel68's Avatar
    254 posts since Oct '14
    • Not sure if this is viable but once Kampong Bahru Terminal opens, 122 can be amended to do College Rd (SGH) and Jalan Bukit Merah in its return direction, and Jalan Bukit Merah > CTE > Tiong Bahru Rd in its forward direction.

      So the amended route is something like this:

      Kampong Bahru Terminal

      Jalan Bukit Merah

      CTE

      Tiong Bahru Rd

      (Continues original route)

      Tiong Bahru Rd

      (Skips Outram Rd)

      College Rd (New stop opp Duke NUS building)

      Jalan Bukit Merah

      Kampong Bahru Terminal

      I know SGH already has shuttle bus services from Outram Park MRT, but this amendment provides new connection between Tiong Bahru MRT and Duke NUS (which the shuttle bus does not directly serve), and furthermore, Silat Rd residents will now have direct access to Tiong Bahru MRT/Market. I  feel that this amendment is better than just extending 122 to Kampong Bahru from its currrent route and honestly, no one really takes 122 from Tiong Bahru MRT.

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