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  • Waynechew1003's Avatar
    212 posts since Apr '17
  • dandelionflower's Avatar
    1 post since Jan '18
  • AJQZC's Avatar
    1,029 posts since Sep '08
    • Originally posted by dandelionflower:

      hi, anyone out there able to advise:

      travelliing from west to airline road region

      Depending your definition of west (JW/JE/BB/BP/CCK/LCK), find a way to transfer to MRT East West Line. Then alight at Simei MRT station and board bus 9 at the bus stop (96169) before the mall, which will take you to Airline Rd.

      (You can explore other routes but this is the most direct and straightforward one. Though just hail a taxi if you are in a rush. )

      Btw next time please ask for directions (if any) at this thread instead.

  • SBS2792K's Avatar
    181 posts since Jun '17
    • Future Opening of Bidadari Int

      Summary:

      81, 82, 103 - extended from Serangoon Central to Bidadari Int

      100 - cut back to Bidadari Int; deleted sector covered by new bus service 104

      104 - New Bus Service from Bidadari Int - Toa Payoh Int

       

      Service 81

      -Current Route to Upp S'goon Rd-

      Upp S'goon Rd

      Boundary Rd

      Serangoon Ctrl (S'goon Stn)

      S'goon Ave 1

      Bidadari Pk Dr

      Bidadari Int

       

      Service 82

      -Current Route to Upp S'goon Rd-

      Upp S'goon Rd

      Boundary Rd

      Serangoon Ctrl (S'goon Stn)

      Upp S'goon Rd (Woodleigh Stn)

      Bidadari Pk Dr (Alkaff Vista/Courtview/Oasis/Lakeview)

      Bidadari Int

       

      Service 103

      -Current Route to Upp S'goon Rd-

      Upp S'goon Rd  (S'goon Stn)

      Serangoon Ctrl

      S'goon Ave 1

      Bidadari Pk Dr

      Bidadari Int


      Service 104
      Bidadari Int
      Bidadari Pk Dr
      Upp S'goon Rd
      S'goon Ave 2
      Boundary Rd
      AMK Ave 1
      Bishan Rd
      Bishan St 22
      Sin Ming Ave
      Upp Thomson Rd
      Caldecott MRT
      Lor 1 TPY
      TPY Int
      Edited by SBS2792K 12 Jan `18, 8:47AM
  • SMB1368T's Avatar
    1,213 posts since Mar '16
    • Is that why maybe 82 has DDs training on the route? 

      Edited by SMB1368T 11 Jan `18, 9:59PM
  • array88's Avatar
    1,452 posts since May '14
    • Originally posted by SBS2792K:

      Future Opening of Bidadari Int

      Summary:

      81, 82, 103 - extended from Serangoon Central to Bidadari Int

      100 - cut back to Bidadari Int; deleted sector covered by new bus service 104

      135 - cut back to Bidadari Int; deleted sector covered by new bus service 104

      104 - New Bus Service from Bidadari Int - AMK Int (Loop)

       

      Service 81

      -Current Route to Upp S'goon Rd-

      Upp S'goon Rd

      Boundary Rd

      Serangoon Ctrl (S'goon Stn)

      S'goon Ave 1

      Bidadari Pk Dr

      Bidadari Int

       

      Service 82

      -Current Route to Upp S'goon Rd-

      Upp S'goon Rd

      Boundary Rd

      Serangoon Ctrl (S'goon Stn)

      Upp S'goon Rd (Woodleigh Stn)

      Bidadari Pk Dr (Alkaff Vista/Courtview/Oasis/Lakeview)

      Bidadari Int

       

      Service 103

      -Current Route to Upp S'goon Rd-

      Upp S'goon Rd  (S'goon Stn)

      Serangoon Ctrl

      S'goon Ave 1

      Bidadari Pk Dr

      Bidadari Int


      Service 104
      Bidadari Int
      Bidadari Pk Dr
      Upp S'goon Rd
      S'goon Ave 2
      Boundary Rd
      AMK Ave 1
      AMK Ave 8
      AMK Int (Loop)

      This essentially removes the link from Upp Aljunied Rd to Serangoon (CCL and NEX) - which is not good IMO.

      Also gone is the link from Marine Parade to AMK, where 135 was stated as an alternative when 76's amendment happened.

    • Originally posted by SMB1368T:

      Is that why maybe 82 has DDs training on the route? 

      Don't think so. 82's highest loading never occurs at Serangoon.

  • SBS2792K's Avatar
    181 posts since Jun '17
    • Originally posted by array88:

      This essentially removes the link from Upp Aljunied Rd to Serangoon (CCL and NEX) - which is not good IMO.

      Also gone is the link from Marine Parade to AMK, where 135 was stated as an alternative when 76's amendment happened.

      OMG i forgot about that

  • Seveneighteightsix's Avatar
    54 posts since Nov '16
    • Originally posted by ButIAmAToilet:

      33 - Bedok - Rumah Tinggi

      63 - Eunos - Kent Ridge

      Switch routes after Tiong Bahru

      Not sure if there is any fleet restriction for 63's current route at Redhill area, so might as well let a service with SD restriction serve that area. At least the new 63 can run DDs if needed

      In addition to this, some of my suggestions to help improve bus connectivity in Redhill Estate:

      Trunk 16 (based on AJQZC's suggestion)

      Extended to HarbourFront Interchange

      via

      - Original Route - 

      Tiong Bahru Road [Redhill MRT]

      Jalan Tiong 

      Lengkok Bahru (South)

      Jalan Bukit Merah

      Henderson Road

      Telok Blangah Heights

      Telok Blangah St 31

      Telok Blangah Drive

      Henderson Road

      Telok Blangah Road

      HarbourFront Interchange

      Extended into Redhill and Telok Blangah, this amendment can provide inter-estate connections between Redhill, Bukit Merah and Telok Blangah in addition to freeing up space in Bukit Merah Interchange. (lost connections covered by 851)

       

      New Feeder Service 271 (which I did suggest once before)

      Bukit Merah Interchange <> Strathmore Avenue (Loop)

      via 

      Bukit Merah Central

      Jalan Bukit Merah

      Jalan Rumah Tinggi

      Hoy Fatt Road

      Lengkok Bahru (North)

      Redhill Road

      Redhill Close

      Tiong Bahru Road [Redhill MRT]

      Tanglin Road

      Kay Siang Road

      Dawson Road

      Strathmore Avenue

      Commonwealth Avenue

      Alexandra Road

      Tiong Bahru Road

       - rejoins route back to Bukit Merah -

      Loop service from Bt Merah to Dawson to supplement new residential developments in the area. Compliments 33's new route and serving Jalan Rumah Tinggi, allowing 33 to be extended to Bukit Merah Interchange.

      With these amendments, virtually every part of Redhill Estate now has a connection to Redhill MRT in addition to 33 to Tiong Bahru and Chinatown and 139 to Alexandra Road and River Valley. Furthermore, Telok Blangah Heights will have a link to Tiong Bahru via extended Service 16 (albeit using a windy route via Redhill) and new flats in Dawson will get an additional bus service.

      Edited by Seveneighteightsix 12 Jan `18, 12:42PM
  • array88's Avatar
    1,452 posts since May '14
    • Originally posted by Seveneighteightsix:

      In addition to this, some of my suggestions to help improve bus connectivity in Redhill Estate:

      Trunk 16 (based on AJQZC's suggestion)

      Extended to HarbourFront Interchange

      via

      - Original Route - 

      Tiong Bahru Road [Redhill MRT]

      Jalan Tiong 

      Lengkok Bahru (South)

      Jalan Bukit Merah

      Henderson Road

      Telok Blangah Heights

      Telok Blangah St 31

      Telok Blangah Drive

      Henderson Road

      Telok Blangah Road

      HarbourFront Interchange

      Extended into Redhill and Telok Blangah, this amendment can provide inter-estate connections between Redhill, Bukit Merah and Telok Blangah in addition to freeing up space in Bukit Merah Interchange. (lost connections covered by 851)

       

      New Feeder Service 271 (which I did suggest once before)

      Bukit Merah Interchange <> Strathmore Avenue (Loop)

      via 

      Bukit Merah Central

      Jalan Bukit Merah

      Jalan Rumah Tinggi

      Hoy Fatt Road

      Lengkok Bahru (North)

      Redhill Road

      Redhill Close

      Tiong Bahru Road [Redhill MRT]

      Tanglin Road

      Kay Siang Road

      Dawson Road

      Strathmore Avenue

      Commonwealth Avenue

      Alexandra Road

      Tiong Bahru Road

       - rejoins route back to Bukit Merah -

      Loop service from Bt Merah to Dawson to supplement new residential developments in the area. Compliments 33's new route and serving Jalan Rumah Tinggi, allowing 33 to be extended to Bukit Merah Interchange.

      With these amendments, virtually every part of Redhill Estate now has a connection to Redhill MRT in addition to 33 to Tiong Bahru and Chinatown and 139 to Alexandra Road and River Valley. Furthermore, Telok Blangah Heights will have a link to Tiong Bahru via extended Service 16 (albeit using a windy route via Redhill) and new flats in Dawson will get an additional bus service.

      Like your 271. Should do much better than services like 122.

      For 16, I'm not sure if it will be faster than 120 to Redhill given the winding route? And we know not many people take 120 all the way to Redhill for EWL (still don't know why - probably due to the low housing density of Telok Blangah Heights).

    • When it comes to enhancing connectivity for DTL3 stations, there's still a long way to go.

       

      Service 114: Hougang Central - Toa Payoh

      https://routes.one/idea/854

       

      - New service for Ubi Ave 4 (no service today), connecting to Ubi and MacPherson MRT. (Surprised 137 missed there)

      - Connects Kallang Way Industrial Estate to Mattar (nearest MRT), although route towards TPY is ugly; Meanwhile, connects to Toa Payoh for NSL (currently 125 only serves NEL and EWL users)

      - Connects industrial estates near Eunos Link to Ubi MRT. Currently only 87 goes to Kaki Bukit with some backtracking. Forsee heavy demand like many other services along this corridor

      - New service for Defu Ave 1 (no service today)

      - High demand anticipated during peak hours as the route passes through various industrial estates

  • Marvel68's Avatar
    276 posts since Oct '14
    • Originally posted by array88:

      Like your 271. Should do much better than services like 122.

      For 16, I'm not sure if it will be faster than 120 to Redhill given the winding route? And we know not many people take 120 all the way to Redhill for EWL (still don't know why - probably due to the low housing density of Telok Blangah Heights).

      Because taking 273 to Bukit Merah and changing to 5/16/132/851 to Redhill/Tiong Bahru MRT is faster than taking 120 all the way to Redhill...

  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,525 posts since May '12
    • Originally posted by SBS2792K:

      Future Opening of Bidadari Int

      Summary:

      81, 82, 103 - extended from Serangoon Central to Bidadari Int

      100 - cut back to Bidadari Int; deleted sector covered by new bus service 104

      104 - New Bus Service from Bidadari Int - Toa Payoh Int

       

      Service 81

      -Current Route to Upp S'goon Rd-

      Upp S'goon Rd

      Boundary Rd

      Serangoon Ctrl (S'goon Stn)

      S'goon Ave 1

      Bidadari Pk Dr

      Bidadari Int

       

      Service 82

      -Current Route to Upp S'goon Rd-

      Upp S'goon Rd

      Boundary Rd

      Serangoon Ctrl (S'goon Stn)

      Upp S'goon Rd (Woodleigh Stn)

      Bidadari Pk Dr (Alkaff Vista/Courtview/Oasis/Lakeview)

      Bidadari Int

       

      Service 103

      -Current Route to Upp S'goon Rd-

      Upp S'goon Rd  (S'goon Stn)

      Serangoon Ctrl

      S'goon Ave 1

      Bidadari Pk Dr

      Bidadari Int


      Service 104
      Bidadari Int
      Bidadari Pk Dr
      Upp S'goon Rd
      S'goon Ave 2
      Boundary Rd
      AMK Ave 1
      Bishan Rd
      Bishan St 22
      Sin Ming Ave
      Upp Thomson Rd
      Caldecott MRT
      Lor 1 TPY
      TPY Int

      Below is my take for Bidadari estate.

      43M converted to svc 104

      104: 

      Bidadari Interchange >> Upper Serangoon Road >> Bidadari Park Dr >> Serangoon Ave 1 >> NEX >> continues on current route to Buangkok Green >> Buangkok Link >> Buangkok Dr (partly under construction) >> Sengkang Central >> continues on current route to Punggol Interchange.

      81: 

      Bidadari Interchange >> Upper Serangoon Rd >> Bidadari Park Dr >> Bartley Road >> Upper Serangoon Road... continues on current route to Tampines.

      100: 

      Serangoon Interchange >> Upper Serangoon Rd >> Bartley Road >> Bidadari Park Dr >> Upper Aljunied road... continues on current route.

      * Link between Woodleigh and Upper Aljunied/Aljunied maintained by 135/155. 

      * Provides Serangoon (CCL/NEL) connection to new BTOs at Bartley Road

      135/155: No Change. DDs may do well on svc 135 once Bidadari estate is developed. 

      ---- With the above modifications, BTOs along Bidadari Park Road will be connected to Woodleigh MRT (81, 104) and Serangoon MRT (81, 100, 104)

      ---- BTOs along Bartley Road will be connected to Woodleigh MRT via svc 81, to Serangoon MRT via 81, 100, to Bartley MRT via 28, 93, 129

      82: No change or merge with 107. 

       

  • Marvel68's Avatar
    276 posts since Oct '14
    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      Below is my take for Bidadari estate.

      43M converted to svc 104

      104: 

      Bidadari Interchange >> Upper Serangoon Road >> Bidadari Park Dr >> Serangoon Ave 1 >> NEX >> continues on current route to Buangkok Green >> Buangkok Link >> Buangkok Dr (partly under construction) >> Sengkang Central >> continues on current route to Punggol Interchange.

      81: 

      Bidadari Interchange >> Upper Serangoon Rd >> Bidadari Park Dr >> Bartley Road >> Upper Serangoon Road... continues on current route to Tampines.

      100: 

      Serangoon Interchange >> Upper Serangoon Rd >> Bartley Road >> Bidadari Park Dr >> Upper Aljunied road... continues on current route.

      * Link between Woodleigh and Upper Aljunied/Aljunied maintained by 135/155. 

      * Provides Serangoon (CCL/NEL) connection to new BTOs at Bartley Road

      135/155: No Change. DDs may do well on svc 135 once Bidadari estate is developed. 

      ---- With the above modifications, BTOs along Bidadari Park Road will be connected to Woodleigh MRT (81, 104) and Serangoon MRT (81, 100, 104)

      ---- BTOs along Bartley Road will be connected to Woodleigh MRT via svc 81, to Serangoon MRT via 81, 100, to Bartley MRT via 28, 93, 129

      82: No change or merge with 107. 

       

      In addition to what you have proposed:

      Service 148: Bidadari - Toa Payoh Central (Loop)

      Bidadari Int > Bidadari Park Dr > Upp Serangoon Rd > PIE (Jln Toa Payoh) > Kim Keat Lk > Lor 6 Toa Payoh > Lor 2 Toa Payoh (TPY MRT) > Toa Payoh Ctrl > Lor 4 Toa Payoh > Continues back to Bidadari

      - Links Bidadari estate to Toa Payoh town centre as well as NSL

      - Complements 142 between Toa Payoh and Potong Pasir MRT

      Service 149: Bidadari - Kampong Ampat (Loop)

      Bidadari Int > Bidadari Pk Dr > Upp Aljunied Rd > Joo Seng Rd (New stop outside Blk 13) > Upp Aljunied Lk (New Stop opp Blk 19) > Kampong Ampat (New stop) > Joo Seng Rd (New stops opp Blk 17 and Blk 11 respectively) > Upp Aljunied Rd > Bidadari Pk Dr > Bidadari Int

      - Links Joo Seng housing and industrial estate to Woodleigh MRT

      - Can possibly be extended to serve Little Rd, Tai Seng MRT and EWL

    • Originally posted by Seveneighteightsix:

       

      New Feeder Service 271 (which I did suggest once before)

      Bukit Merah Interchange <> Strathmore Avenue (Loop)

      via 

      Bukit Merah Central

      Jalan Bukit Merah

      Jalan Rumah Tinggi

      Hoy Fatt Road

      Lengkok Bahru (North)

      Redhill Road

      Redhill Close

      Tiong Bahru Road [Redhill MRT]

      Tanglin Road

      Kay Siang Road

      Dawson Road

      Strathmore Avenue

      Commonwealth Avenue

      Alexandra Road

      Tiong Bahru Road

       - rejoins route back to Bukit Merah -

      Loop service from Bt Merah to Dawson to supplement new residential developments in the area. Compliments 33's new route and serving Jalan Rumah Tinggi, allowing 33 to be extended to Bukit Merah Interchange.

      With these amendments, virtually every part of Redhill Estate now has a connection to Redhill MRT in addition to 33 to Tiong Bahru and Chinatown and 139 to Alexandra Road and River Valley. Furthermore, Telok Blangah Heights will have a link to Tiong Bahru via extended Service 16 (albeit using a windy route via Redhill) and new flats in Dawson will get an additional bus service.

      This should have been 122's route from the start tbh...

  • array88's Avatar
    1,452 posts since May '14
    • Regarding all the suggestions to extend 81/82/43M to Bidadari, did everyone forget 116?

      And possibly 53M too, if there's a good route for it...

  • SBS2792K's Avatar
    181 posts since Jun '17
    • oh yes i forgot to mention that i have seen the floorplan

       

      BIdadari Int:

      15 rigid lots, 3 bendy lots

      3 boarding berths, 1 bendy 2 rigid

      2 alighting, 1 bendy 1 rigid

      Edited by SBS2792K 13 Jan `18, 7:57AM
  • array88's Avatar
    1,452 posts since May '14
    • Originally posted by SBS2792K:

      oh yes i forgot to mention that i have seen the floorplan

       

      BIdadari Int:

      15 rigid lots, 3 bendy lots

      3 boarding berths, 1 bendy 2 rigid

      2 alighting, 1 bendy 1 rigid

      Seriously? Bendy lots?

  • TIB987K's Avatar
    2,029 posts since Oct '12
    • [Off-topic]

      Originally posted by array88:

      Seriously? Bendy lots?

      Edited by TIB987K 13 Jan `18, 10:20PM
  • SG1131L's Avatar
    34 posts since Oct '17
  • TIB987K's Avatar
    2,029 posts since Oct '12
    • Originally posted by SG1131L:

      Got clearer picture? The picture very blur.

      Try to zoom in for the bottom image

  • SMB1368T's Avatar
    1,213 posts since Mar '16
  • array88's Avatar
    1,452 posts since May '14
    • I've been thinking about what services could possibly use bendies at Bidadari, and the only logical answer is: 53.

      So here comes my suggestions...

      Scenario 1

      Service 53: Bidadari - Changi Airport (Loop): https://routes.one/idea/860

      Service 53M: Bidadari - Hougang St 21 (Loop)

      Service 58 amendment to Bishan St 14: https://routes.one/idea/861

      Service 135 amendment to Serangoon Central: https://routes.one/idea/862

      - Allows bendies to be deployed on 53 for the heavily utilized PSR-CGA sector

      - Deleted sectors on 53: 

      • NEX - Boundary Rd: Covered by amended 135, also supplemented by 22 and 315
      • Boundary Rd - Bishan: Covered by 156
      • Bishan St 14 - AMK Ave 1 / Serangoon: Covered by amended 58
      • Lor Ah Soo - AMK Ave 1: Covered by 45
      • Lor Ah Soo - Bishan: Transfer to CCL or 58 at Upp Serangoon Rd

      - Puts 45, 53 and 53M at the same bus stops outside Serangoon MRT so that Lor Ah Soo commuters don't need to choose which one to go to

      - Improves reliability on 53 by making the route slightly shorter

      Scenario 2

      Service 53: Bidadari - Changi Airport (Loop): https://routes.one/idea/860

      Service 53M: Bidadari - Hougang St 21 (Loop)

      Service 81 extended to Bishan via 53's route: https://routes.one/idea/863

      - All deleted sectors on 53 covered by 81, except Lor Ah Soo - Bishan (transfer to 81 at Upp Serangoon Rd)

      - Commuters from Bishan / AMK Ave 1 to Tampines Rd and Pasir Ris can still take 81 which is actually faster

      Scenario 3

      Service 53: Bidadari - Changi Airport (Loop): https://routes.one/idea/860

      Service 53M renumbered to 108 and extended to Bishan via 53's route: https://routes.one/idea/864

      - All deleted sectors on 53 covered by 108; those travelling beyond Kovan can transfer to 53

      - 108 can get a few DDs as it helps both 53's and 113's heavy loading sectors at Lor Ah Soo

      - With 108, it's possible for 113 to be withdrawn or operate at reduced frequencies. 113A can definitely be withdrawn

      Edited by array88 14 Jan `18, 6:34PM
  • SMB1368T's Avatar
    1,213 posts since Mar '16
    • Any possibility that 853 would be chopped and terminate at Bidadari? Perhaps the journey to Kallang can be extended to somewhere...maybe to the future Marina South ITH?

      Edited by SMB1368T 14 Jan `18, 10:31AM
  • JKYY's Avatar
    188 posts since Oct '17
    • Originally posted by SMB1368T:

      Any possibility that 853 would be chopped and terminate at Bidadari? Perhaps the journey to Kallang can be extended to somewhere...maybe to the future Marina South ITH?

      That's what I thought too. The Yishun - AMK Ave 6 sector is covered by 851 and 852, the AMK Ave 6 - AMK Ave 8 sector is covered by 162/M, the AMK Ave 8 - Serangoon Ctrl sector is covered by 22 (135 partial) and the Serangoon Ctrl - Woodleigh sector is covered by 147 (100 and 135 partial).

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