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  • carbikebus's Avatar
    19,047 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by lemon1974:

      whether it is useful for those paxes  alighing at admiralty mrt station, we shall wait and see.

      but we can see the no of paxes left behind at the previous bus stops...when such 3 door A22 are deploy on 913/903/912 etc etc... 

      Can just install 10 priority seats then others is standing area,Can ask STK to provide mat for senior citizens...Wakakaka

  • lemon1974's Avatar
    9,187 posts since Dec '04
    • accordingly to news report, seating capacity of this 3 door A22 is 24 only.. plus another 66 standees capacity..  current A22 is 35 seat....

      whether it can squeeze 66 standees is another issue.. 

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    19,047 posts since Nov '03
  • randomguy10's Avatar
    205 posts since Dec '13
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      Do you guys think that LTA will purchase the 3 doors A22 in future?

      I dont think the 12m SD 3 Door trial will be successful. The ratio of seating passengers to standing passengers is too small. One bad thing about bendies was that it's high capacity involves more standing capacity than seating capcity.

      3 Door DD could help improve the efficiency and layover time and also be able to provide more seating capacity so it is kind of best of both world. SO I think this one will succeed. Only down side is the need to go up and come down, which may not be the best for our aging population especially for short distance commutes. But for trunk routes, this bus will be very good to improve passenger flow.

      Feeder best option imo will still be a mix of 18m 3door buses and 12m 2door SD. 12m 3door DD mixed with 12m 2door SD will be next best option.

      For trunks, 12m 3door DD mixed with 12m 2door SD is good. With more MRT connections, i believe DDs can compensate abit of capacity to have an extra staircase to speed up layover times. Eventually Singapore can work towards 3Door DD fleet

  • Formususeonly's Avatar
    132 posts since Sep '16
    • Originally posted by randomguy10:

      I dont think the 12m SD 3 Door trial will be successful. The ratio of seating passengers to standing passengers is too small. One bad thing about bendies was that it's high capacity involves more standing capacity than seating capcity.

      3 Door DD could help improve the efficiency and layover time and also be able to provide more seating capacity so it is kind of best of both world. SO I think this one will succeed. Only down side is the need to go up and come down, which may not be the best for our aging population especially for short distance commutes. But for trunk routes, this bus will be very good to improve passenger flow.

      Feeder best option imo will still be a mix of 18m 3door buses and 12m 2door SD. 12m 3door DD mixed with 12m 2door SD will be next best option.

      For trunks, 12m 3door DD mixed with 12m 2door SD is good. With more MRT connections, i believe DDs can compensate abit of capacity to have an extra staircase to speed up layover times. Eventually Singapore can work towards 3Door DD fleet

      Let me remind you what LTA wants to achieve - BETTER WAITING TIME . What this means is that LTA will tend to favour buses with more doors to let more passengers to disembark more quickly than before . Number of seats ? Yeah they count too but LTA main priority is WAITING TIME . The faster the passenger get out of the bus the faster the bus leaves the bus stop and picks up more passenger . 

  • azharjj's Avatar
    6,383 posts since Aug '07
    • spotted the 3 door MAN A22 together with 3 facelift MAN A95 with rego plate 2 days ago at STK lakeside

      Edited by azharjj 20 Apr `17, 7:32AM
  • TIB429E's Avatar
    1,541 posts since Dec '13
    • Originally posted by randomguy10:

      I dont think the 12m SD 3 Door trial will be successful. The ratio of seating passengers to standing passengers is too small. One bad thing about bendies was that it's high capacity involves more standing capacity than seating capcity.

      3 Door DD could help improve the efficiency and layover time and also be able to provide more seating capacity so it is kind of best of both world. SO I think this one will succeed. Only down side is the need to go up and come down, which may not be the best for our aging population especially for short distance commutes. But for trunk routes, this bus will be very good to improve passenger flow.

      Feeder best option imo will still be a mix of 18m 3door buses and 12m 2door SD. 12m 3door DD mixed with 12m 2door SD will be next best option.

      For trunks, 12m 3door DD mixed with 12m 2door SD is good. With more MRT connections, i believe DDs can compensate abit of capacity to have an extra staircase to speed up layover times. Eventually Singapore can work towards 3Door DD fleet

      Sadly, they aren't working smart icon_lol.gif

      Instead of giving incentives to driver for meeting a certain target of being on time, they extend the journey time. Which makes driver drive slowly.

      But imo, the A95 3-door DD isn't ideal yet. More waiting time is needed for passengers going down, thanks to the extra gate. Would prefer them trying out the ADL 3 door version though..might be better than this A95.

  • SMB145B's Avatar
    2,115 posts since Dec '12
  • SMB128B's Avatar
    4,827 posts since May '11
    • Originally posted by TIB429E:

      Sadly, they aren't working smart icon_lol.gif

      Instead of giving incentives to driver for meeting a certain target of being on time, they extend the journey time. Which makes driver drive slowly.

      But imo, the A95 3-door DD isn't ideal yet. More waiting time is needed for passengers going down, thanks to the extra gate. Would prefer them trying out the ADL 3 door version though..might be better than this A95.

      Hmm.. That's funny, given how the public were the ones themselves who voted for the A95 back then, now regretting on their decisions?

      This forum included. Everybody was praising the A95 and saying how the ADL is "unsuitable" and "impractical", and now?

  • CB2883J's Avatar
    317 posts since Sep '15
    • Originally posted by SMB128B:

      Hmm.. That's funny, given how the public were the ones themselves who voted for the A95 back then, now regretting on their decisions?

      This forum included. Everybody was praising the A95 and saying how the ADL is "unsuitable" and "impractical", and now?

      That’s not the issue. At least, not to me. Many still prefer the A95’s door design. It’s the kay kiang barrier that is the problem.

  • SMB145B's Avatar
    2,115 posts since Dec '12
    • Wrights = Upgraded CDGEs

      E500s = Wrights with rear plug sliding door

      A95s = Modern WAB-ed VO3x's 

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    19,047 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by TIB429E:

      Sadly, they aren't working smart icon_lol.gif

      Instead of giving incentives to driver for meeting a certain target of being on time, they extend the journey time. Which makes driver drive slowly.

      But imo, the A95 3-door DD isn't ideal yet. More waiting time is needed for passengers going down, thanks to the extra gate. Would prefer them trying out the ADL 3 door version though..might be better than this A95.

      Swiss Postauto ordered 13m three doors Enviro500 sucessfully with engine

    • They favoured MAN because the authorised dealer is ST a Temasek company

  • sgbuses's Avatar
    2,329 posts since Nov '05
    • Originally posted by SMB128B:

      Hmm.. That's funny, given how the public were the ones themselves who voted for the A95 back then, now regretting on their decisions?

      This forum included. Everybody was praising the A95 and saying how the ADL is "unsuitable" and "impractical", and now?

      Thank you for speaking my mind.

      It still baffles me how the MAN A95 has at least 6 exterior variants in Singapore alone. Whatever happened to standardization?

      Edited by sgbuses 28 Apr `17, 1:23AM
    • Originally posted by TIB429E:

      Sadly, they aren't working smart icon_lol.gif

      Instead of giving incentives to driver for meeting a certain target of being on time, they extend the journey time. Which makes driver drive slowly.

      But imo, the A95 3-door DD isn't ideal yet. More waiting time is needed for passengers going down, thanks to the extra gate. Would prefer them trying out the ADL 3 door version though..might be better than this A95.

      And passengers will continue not moving to the rear at the lower deck...

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    19,047 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by sgbuses:

      Thank you for speaking my mind.

      It still baffles me how the MAN A95 has at least 6 exterior variants in Singapore alone. Whatever happened to standardization?

      Ya ha,What happened to standardization?

  • ND323F's Avatar
    20 posts since Mar '17
  • carbikebus's Avatar
    19,047 posts since Nov '03
  • ND323F's Avatar
    20 posts since Mar '17
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      What kind of bus is this?ADL Enviro500 Hybrid?

      no, it's the bus pertaining to this thread's topic

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    19,047 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by ND323F:

      no, it's the bus pertaining to this thread's topic

      Why can't they use SG1750?

  • ND323F's Avatar
    20 posts since Mar '17
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      Why can't they use SG1750?

      because 4 header is for prototype.

       

      only exception is 5999, something went wrong

  • SMB145B's Avatar
    2,115 posts since Dec '12
    • Originally posted by ND323F:

      because 4 header is for prototype.

       

      only exception is 5999, something went wrong

      huh?

      what happened to 5999? and is 4002 the same?

  • Royce SBS3979H's Avatar
    120 posts since Oct '16
    • SG4xxx is reserved for Single Decker Demonstrator & MAN ND323F 12.8m is a Double Decker Demonstrator.

  • sgbuses's Avatar
    2,329 posts since Nov '05
    • Originally posted by SMB145B:

      huh?

      what happened to 5999? and is 4002 the same?

      Transperth style fleet numbering is not designed to be that logical in the first place.

  • ND323F's Avatar
    20 posts since Mar '17
    • Originally posted by SMB145B:

      huh?

      what happened to 5999? and is 4002 the same?

      what I meant was 4xxx header is supposed to be prototype bus, the 12.8m double decker supposed to have a 4xxx header. but somehow it was given 5999

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