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  • SBS2792K's Avatar
    181 posts since Jun '17
    • hahaha... 110 is so ohviously under HG SKG Package lol... but what ifbI told you 137 under bedok? hahaha heres some food for thought

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,592 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by SBS2792K:

      hahaha... 110 is so ohviously under HG SKG Package lol... but what ifbI told you 137 under bedok? hahaha heres some food for thought

      SBST is so famous for dual control depot even though the svc isn’t that far off the depot..Look at 141..

  • lemon1974's Avatar
    9,400 posts since Dec '04
    • Originally posted by dupdup77:

      Hi mr lemon1974, press release shows sembawang-yishun to be correct as up until the day the article was released 1 yr ago. It is unable to predict every new service after the day the release is official. So we can only deduce every new bus service to be separatedly negotiated with the various bus service provider. Agree? 

      Since there is no official news release about which contract 110 is under, it remains subjected to various discussions. Cheers. Thanks.

      true.. so why are you concluding that it is  under Sem-yishun contract then? when did you found that info that sem-yishun have 25 services.

      i believe that this 110 is newly planned service, (thus it is not under BSEP as well). 

  • Zinger Berger's Avatar
    2 posts since Oct '17
    • About the composition of bus packages, do note that some routes may be withdrawn. 944 and 110 may be taking the place of bus routes that may be replaced.

  • dupdup77's Avatar
    3,062 posts since Nov '13
    • Originally posted by lemon1974:

      true.. so why are you concluding that it is  under Sem-yishun contract then? when did you found that info that sem-yishun have 25 services.

      i believe that this 110 is newly planned service, (thus it is not under BSEP as well). 

      Hi mr lemon1974, yes all are only hearsay and info from landtransportguru. Heard 110 same configuration as 858. 2nd bus service from smrt to model after the expressway to CGA network. Do you have any official news that 110 is from which package?

      Yes 110 is not under BSEP. Cheers. Thanks. 

  • TPS Timothy Mok's Avatar
    1,190 posts since Aug '07
    • Originally posted by dupdup77:

      Hi mr lemon1974, yes all are only hearsay and info from landtransportguru. Heard 110 same configuration as 858. 2nd bus service from smrt to model after the expressway to CGA network. Do you have any official news that 110 is from which package?

      Yes 110 is not under BSEP. Cheers. Thanks. 

      110 is Sembawang-Yishun Bus Package for now.

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,592 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by dupdup77:

      Hi mr lemon1974, yes all are only hearsay and info from landtransportguru. Heard 110 same configuration as 858. 2nd bus service from smrt to model after the expressway to CGA network. Do you have any official news that 110 is from which package?

      Yes 110 is not under BSEP. Cheers. Thanks. 

      110 not the 80th BSEP svc are you that sure?

  • dupdup77's Avatar
    3,062 posts since Nov '13
    • Originally posted by TPS Timothy Mok:

      110 is Sembawang-Yishun Bus Package for now.

      Hi mr TPS Timothy mok, any evidence? Cheers. Thanks.

    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      110 not the 80th BSEP svc are you that sure?

      Hi mr carbikebus, poster did not indicate 110 as BSEP. Cheers. Thanks.

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,592 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by dupdup77:

      Hi mr carbikebus, poster did not indicate 110 as BSEP. Cheers. Thanks.

      There is no need to put under BSEP since they already achieved the 80th new svc after 110.

  • dupdup77's Avatar
    3,062 posts since Nov '13
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      There is no need to put under BSEP since they already achieved the 80th new svc after 110.

      Hi mr carbikebus, when they launch service 137 and 298, they introduced them as the 78th and 79th bus service under BSEP. However, nothing is said for 110. So we just wait till end of this yr when they will surely mention which is the 80th bus and the end of the 5 yr BSEP campaign since yr 2012. Cheers. Thanks.

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,592 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by dupdup77:

      Hi mr carbikebus, when they launch service 137 and 298, they introduced them as the 78th and 79th bus service under BSEP. However, nothing is said for 110. So we just wait till end of this yr when they will surely mention which is the 80th bus and the end of the 5 yr BSEP campaign since yr 2012. Cheers. Thanks.

      wakakaka

  • SMB1368T's Avatar
    1,213 posts since Mar '16
  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,592 posts since Nov '03
  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,526 posts since May '12
    • 49 and 386 counted twice.This should be changed to 248 and 110. 248 connect new links within Tuas and doesn't materialize out of rationalization. 247 does take part of 254 so understandable. 

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,592 posts since Nov '03
    • Many commuters ranting on how slow 110 is,I joyride 137 yesterday more jialat sia...Not only travel between 30-40kmh,But stop at bus stops 3x😂

  • Vampire77lim's Avatar
    116 posts since Nov '16
    • Bus service  137 are not use it no matter how will not many people are taking   

      kaki buki area and bedok north  area residents take the service  to  get area of bedok mrt area are lots of people 

       

      From paya lebar and ubi  only few people who are taking to ubi mrt  there take

  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,526 posts since May '12
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      Many commuters ranting on how slow 110 is,I joyride 137 yesterday more jialat sia...Not only travel between 30-40kmh,But stop at bus stops 3x😂

      Most new services are very slow in the beginning until their runtime is refined few months later. 

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,592 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      Most new services are very slow in the beginning until their runtime is refined few months later. 

      Yes but I don’t think 137 need any DDs for now.Best is to retuned the off peak frequency by 14-17 mins and peak hours between 8-11 mins.

  • autumncs's Avatar
    429 posts since Oct '06
    • My observations on svc 137 (on a weekend afternoon):

      I agree 137 is slow and so far not many people are taking 137 (maybe because people are still not familiar with the route).

      Between UEC terminal and UEC Rd/Bedok South Ave 3: Demand not high as commuters going to Bedok MRT can take 25, which is more frequent and faster

      Between UEC Rd/Bedok South Ave 3 and Bedok South Ave 1: Demand not high as commuters changing to EWL can take 14/48 to Tanah Merah MRT, 55 to Eunos MRT, 48 to Bugis MRT, or 10/14 to City Hall.

      Between Bedok MRT and Bedok North St 3: Demand not high because commuters can take 225G/W, which is faster and more direct. 137 is supposed to serve Heartbeat @ Bedok but the nearest stops along Bedok North St 1 and Bedok North Ave 2 are quite far away (200m). 

      Between Bedok North St 3 and Bedok North MRT: Probably the portion with the heaviest load. Even so, the seats are not fully filled.

      Between Bedok North MRT and Ubi MRT: Demand not high. Most bus stops in Kaki Bukit estate has only 1-3 people boarding or alighting. As the route is designed to primarily connect to DTL stations, it awkwardly avoids the bus stops along Bedok Reservoir Rd and Eunos Link, making it difficult to transfer between 137 and bus services along Bedok Reservoir Rd and Eunos Link (unless you walk). 

      Between Ubi MRT and Paya Lebar MRT: No demand between Ubi MRT and Ubi Ave 1, but moderate load between Ubi Ave 1 and Paya Lebar MRT.

      Between Paya Lebar MRT & Sims Place: moderate load (I'm amazed that it took LTA so long to introduce a direct service from Paya Lebar MRT to Geylang Rd (between Paya Lebar and Aljunied) after svc 71 was withdrawn in the early 1990s) 

      Travel time from Bedok MRT
      - to Bedok North St 3: about 10 min
      - to Bedok North MRT: about 15 min
      - to Ubi MRT: more than 30 min
      - to Paya Lebar MRT: more than 45 min (on 137) or less than 10 min (on EWL)

  • TPS Timothy Mok's Avatar
    1,190 posts since Aug '07
    • Originally posted by autumncs:

      My observations on svc 137 (on a weekend afternoon):

      I agree 137 is slow and so far not many people are taking 137 (maybe because people are still not familiar with the route).

      Between UEC terminal and UEC Rd/Bedok South Ave 3: Demand not high as commuters going to Bedok MRT can take 25, which is more frequent and faster

      Between UEC Rd/Bedok South Ave 3 and Bedok South Ave 1: Demand not high as commuters changing to EWL can take 14/48 to Tanah Merah MRT, 55 to Eunos MRT, 48 to Bugis MRT, or 10/14 to City Hall.

      Between Bedok MRT and Bedok North St 3: Demand not high because commuters can take 225G/W, which is faster and more direct. 137 is supposed to serve Heartbeat @ Bedok but the nearest stops along Bedok North St 1 and Bedok North Ave 2 are quite far away (200m). 

      Between Bedok North St 3 and Bedok North MRT: Probably the portion with the heaviest load. Even so, the seats are not fully filled.

      Between Bedok North MRT and Ubi MRT: Demand not high. Most bus stops in Kaki Bukit estate has only 1-3 people boarding or alighting. As the route is designed to primarily connect to DTL stations, it awkwardly avoids the bus stops along Bedok Reservoir Rd and Eunos Link, making it difficult to transfer between 137 and bus services along Bedok Reservoir Rd and Eunos Link (unless you walk). 

      Between Ubi MRT and Paya Lebar MRT: No demand between Ubi MRT and Ubi Ave 1, but moderate load between Ubi Ave 1 and Paya Lebar MRT.

      Between Paya Lebar MRT & Sims Place: moderate load (I'm amazed that it took LTA so long to introduce a direct service from Paya Lebar MRT to Geylang Rd (between Paya Lebar and Aljunied) after svc 71 was withdrawn in the early 1990s) 

      Travel time from Bedok MRT
      - to Bedok North St 3: about 10 min
      - to Bedok North MRT: about 15 min
      - to Ubi MRT: more than 30 min
      - to Paya Lebar MRT: more than 45 min (on 137) or less than 10 min (on EWL)

      Not just 71 too, even temporary 864 also a direct service from Paya Lebar MRT to Geylang Rd. It was then withdrawn when O305s began their withdrawal, and there were limited supply of Volvo Olympians.

      864 was merged with 84 to form 80. 865 and 866 are progressively renumbered to 85 and 86 so that elderly can still remember numbers while the 86x can still be used in the event 85x runs out.

      Some of the older double deckers were not immediately replaced for various reasons. These include the 1995 handover exercise (Yishun, Bukit Panjang, Northeast), 1999/00 handover exercise (Bukit Batok, Choa Chu Kang), and 2003 North East Line rationalisation. During the 2003 North East Line rationalisation, there is no production B10TL except SBS9800A. Only after the 2003 North East Line rationalisation, there are only 56 LO2X, which was withdrawn in June 2004.

      The Leyland Atlantean had started to withdraw in 5 March 1989 without a single replacement for 1977 buses, 10 June 1992 for 1978 buses all the way to 1994 and 1982 buses until 1997. This is because of newer generating bodies. The Leyland Atlantean (Alexander R) and O305s were primarily replaced from January 1999. The last LA is on January 2001 after 9669M/9670H already in service, O305s were withdrawn on June 2002 but no repainting involved.

      First LO2X to withdraw is SBS6907X, which was somewhere in 31 December 2002. SBS7196Z was withdrawn on 14 December 2003 because it came from SLBP. It realised it replaced by a random LO3X. In order to replace LO2X from SLBP and to further upgrade JIS to full double decker fleet, LO3X and VO2X first transfers were made from individual depots (with BNDEP involved). Even 291 was downgraded (or upgraded). Then, VO3X first transfers were made after B9TL CDGE and Wrights introduced.

      Edited by TPS Timothy Mok 30 Oct `17, 9:35AM
  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,526 posts since May '12
    • Originally posted by autumncs:

      My observations on svc 137 (on a weekend afternoon):

      I agree 137 is slow and so far not many people are taking 137 (maybe because people are still not familiar with the route).

      Between UEC terminal and UEC Rd/Bedok South Ave 3: Demand not high as commuters going to Bedok MRT can take 25, which is more frequent and faster

      Between UEC Rd/Bedok South Ave 3 and Bedok South Ave 1: Demand not high as commuters changing to EWL can take 14/48 to Tanah Merah MRT, 55 to Eunos MRT, 48 to Bugis MRT, or 10/14 to City Hall.

      Between Bedok MRT and Bedok North St 3: Demand not high because commuters can take 225G/W, which is faster and more direct. 137 is supposed to serve Heartbeat @ Bedok but the nearest stops along Bedok North St 1 and Bedok North Ave 2 are quite far away (200m). 

      Between Bedok North St 3 and Bedok North MRT: Probably the portion with the heaviest load. Even so, the seats are not fully filled.

      Between Bedok North MRT and Ubi MRT: Demand not high. Most bus stops in Kaki Bukit estate has only 1-3 people boarding or alighting. As the route is designed to primarily connect to DTL stations, it awkwardly avoids the bus stops along Bedok Reservoir Rd and Eunos Link, making it difficult to transfer between 137 and bus services along Bedok Reservoir Rd and Eunos Link (unless you walk). 

      Between Ubi MRT and Paya Lebar MRT: No demand between Ubi MRT and Ubi Ave 1, but moderate load between Ubi Ave 1 and Paya Lebar MRT.

      Between Paya Lebar MRT & Sims Place: moderate load (I'm amazed that it took LTA so long to introduce a direct service from Paya Lebar MRT to Geylang Rd (between Paya Lebar and Aljunied) after svc 71 was withdrawn in the early 1990s) 

      Travel time from Bedok MRT
      - to Bedok North St 3: about 10 min
      - to Bedok North MRT: about 15 min
      - to Ubi MRT: more than 30 min
      - to Paya Lebar MRT: more than 45 min (on 137) or less than 10 min (on EWL)

      Give it some time. It is too early to say anything. And 137 is mainly for connecting Bayshore to Bedok MRT, where 25 does not ply. If you want to bash services, you should do that to 46 which after couple years also has poor loading. 

  • dupdup77's Avatar
    3,062 posts since Nov '13
    • To all who have always said bus fares will keep increasing, this news release today will be a damper on your spirits. There will be no increase and bus fares will be the same in the next year (Yr 2018) to come. Cheers. Thanks. 

      Edited by dupdup77 30 Oct `17, 6:57PM
  • autumncs's Avatar
    429 posts since Oct '06
    • Originally posted by TPS Timothy Mok:

      Not just 71 too, even temporary 864 also a direct service from Paya Lebar MRT to Geylang Rd. It was then withdrawn when O305s began their withdrawal, and there were limited supply of Volvo Olympians.

      864 was merged with 84 to form 80. 865 and 866 are progressively renumbered to 85 and 86 so that elderly can still remember numbers while the 86x can still be used in the event 85x runs out.

      Some of the older double deckers were not immediately replaced for various reasons. These include the 1995 handover exercise (Yishun, Bukit Panjang, Northeast), 1999/00 handover exercise (Bukit Batok, Choa Chu Kang), and 2003 North East Line rationalisation. During the 2003 North East Line rationalisation, there is no production B10TL except SBS9800A. Only after the 2003 North East Line rationalisation, there are only 56 LO2X, which was withdrawn in June 2004.

      The Leyland Atlantean had started to withdraw in 5 March 1989 without a single replacement for 1977 buses, 10 June 1992 for 1978 buses all the way to 1994 and 1982 buses until 1997. This is because of newer generating bodies. The Leyland Atlantean (Alexander R) and O305s were primarily replaced from January 1999. The last LA is on January 2001 after 9669M/9670H already in service, O305s were withdrawn on June 2002 but no repainting involved.

      First LO2X to withdraw is SBS6907X, which was somewhere in 31 December 2002. SBS7196Z was withdrawn on 14 December 2003 because it came from SLBP. It realised it replaced by a random LO3X. In order to replace LO2X from SLBP and to further upgrade JIS to full double decker fleet, LO3X and VO2X first transfers were made from individual depots (with BNDEP involved). Even 291 was downgraded (or upgraded). Then, VO3X first transfers were made after B9TL CDGE and Wrights introduced.

      Oh dear. How could I forget 864? LOL.

    • Originally posted by dupdup77:

      To all who have always said bus fares will keep increasing, this news release today will be a damper on your spirits. There will be no increase and bus fares will be the same in the next year (Yr 2018) to come. Cheers. Thanks. 

      Haha. Recently our gahmen said they want zero car growth. If they raise transport fare, ppl sure make noise. I hope the gahmen will maintain zero growth in transport fare, to keep the zero car growth vision.

      According to the news, the gahmen is also scrapping the morning pre-peak hour free MRT trips, and is rolling out a 50 cents discount for all MRT/LRT commuters who tap in before 7:45am, regardless of destination. I feel that it's more fair, esp to those who work outside the CBD.

      To be more fair to all commuters, maybe the gahmen should expand the 50 cent discount to buses as well. 

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