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  • SMB145B's Avatar
    2,257 posts since Dec '12
    • Originally posted by iveco:

      Tampines not even due for refurbishment yet.

      Wait till you see another chaos caused by the two tampines stations.

  • gekpohboy's Avatar
    2,180 posts since Mar '16
  • TPS Timothy Mok's Avatar
    1,159 posts since Aug '07
    • If service 85 was not withdrawn, then passengers can still take service 85 to Potong Pasir, Woodleigh, Serangoon, Kovan, Hougang and Sengkang from Orchard Road; and 123 will refuse their amendment to HarbourFront. 85 can also be extended to Punggol at the same time.

      85 should have kept, 147 is the one who became full fleet DD.

  • sgbuses's Avatar
    2,358 posts since Nov '05
  • iveco's Avatar
    17,101 posts since Mar '04
  • vicamour's Avatar
    1,479 posts since Jan '09
    • That's why after i scrap my Honda car 4 years ago,I switch back to motorcycle for working purpose.My wife MPV car still got another 3 years to go and we plan to extend for another 5 years depending on the COE market.Unless i see more direct basic trunk and more longer route in future which i see wouldn't be happen 

      Friend, just forget it and renew the COE for another 10 years or get a new car if you can afford to.

      As long as the population keeps on increasing, there will always be problems with issues like transport and housing. The problem is about overpopulation here. 

      It's like a cycle. They improve things a bit, justify the improvements themselves, and then increase the population thinking that these improvements are able to handle the increase. Improvements are made to serve and improve the current capacity, not justifying for more population. Everything just goes back to square one after increasing the population, but then the costs will keep increasing and increasing after each cycle. 
      Same goes into another aspect of cycle. Increase COE prices, force people to take public transport, public transport fares increase after improve a bit, public transport becomes overcrowded, release more COEs, then the cycle goes again. It is the same thing repeating again and again for the past 20 years.  

      This is an interesting topic and some of the members here bring up some interesting points. While GCM did have some merits in many aspects, it fails to provide significant links to areas (merely just doing patchworks as highlighted by some members here), and makes it even more inconvenient and time consuming with more transfers based the hub and spoke ideology. Worse, some routes have to be break up to make it less direct. 

      Going out in future is going to be more tiring, time wasting and troublesome. Luckily with internet shopping and technological advances to work processes and communication, probably we don't have the need to go out so often in future. 

      The GCM for now is only at its infant stage, give it another 10 years and see how it goes. But if the population just keeps on increasing, all these are just merely a facet and a wasted cause. 

  • SMB145B's Avatar
    2,257 posts since Dec '12
    • Originally posted by vicamour:

      Friend, just forget it and renew the COE for another 10 years or get a new car if you can afford to.

      As long as the population keeps on increasing, there will always be problems with issues like transport and housing. The problem is about overpopulation here. 

      It's like a cycle. They improve things a bit, justify the improvements themselves, and then increase the population thinking that these improvements are able to handle the increase. Improvements are made to serve and improve the current capacity, not justifying for more population. Everything just goes back to square one after increasing the population, but then the costs will keep increasing and increasing after each cycle. 
      Same goes into another aspect of cycle. Increase COE prices, force people to take public transport, public transport fares increase after improve a bit, public transport becomes overcrowded, release more COEs, then the cycle goes again. It is the same thing repeating again and again for the past 20 years.  

      This is an interesting topic and some of the members here bring up some interesting points. While GCM did have some merits in many aspects, it fails to provide significant links to areas (merely just doing patchworks as highlighted by some members here), and makes it even more inconvenient and time consuming with more transfers based the hub and spoke ideology. Worse, some routes have to be break up to make it less direct. 

      Going out in future is going to be more tiring, time wasting and troublesome. Luckily with internet shopping and technological advances to work processes and communication, probably we don't have the need to go out so often in future. 

      The GCM for now is only at its infant stage, give it another 10 years and see how it goes. But if the population just keeps on increasing, all these are just merely a facet and a wasted cause. 

      G not thinking straight. it is not like Australia or UK where it works well. i fear that the G is just hungry for $$$. so COE up, water up, electricity up, S&CC up, ERP up, road tax up and many more up. G Screwed everything up yet the % also can go up!

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,424 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by SMB145B:

      G not thinking straight. it is not like Australia or UK where it works well. i fear that the G is just hungry for $$$. so COE up, water up, electricity up, S&CC up, ERP up, road tax up and many more up. G Screwed everything up yet the % also can go up!

      Everything up except the raise of salary

  • SMB145B's Avatar
    2,257 posts since Dec '12
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      Everything up except the raise of salary

      that's the only thing not moving or even gostan.

  • gekpohboy's Avatar
    2,180 posts since Mar '16
    • On the transfer of City Direct bus services to SBS Transit and SMRT,

      According to an article at www.zaobao.com.sg/znews/singapore/story20170417-749601,

      兀兰运输公司总经理黄业伟说:“把直达市区路线交给新捷运和SMRT经营,等于用回政府的巴士提供服务,当局只是按巴士行驶里数支付服务费,成本会比较低。 反观,私巴公司出价时就会把巴士的成本计算在内。”

      Woodlands Transport CEO say, "The transfer of City Direct bus routes to SBS Transit and SMRT is equivalent to returning to use the government buses to provide bus services. The authorities only have to consider the mileage travelled to pay the service fee, so costs is lower. Currently, the private bus operators factor the cost of the bus into the budget (that's why the asking price is higher)."

      Edited by gekpohboy 17 Apr `17, 12:35PM
    • 目前这类巴士路线共有22条,据知当中有好些巴士的车资收入,并不足以支付业者的服务费,得由政府补贴。

      Currently there are 22 City Direct bus routes, many of which do not collect enough fare revenue to pay the operator service fee, and have to rely on government subsidy.

      (What this means is that City Direct bus routes are supposed to be profitable.)

      Edited by gekpohboy 17 Apr `17, 12:33PM
    • 陆交局受询时说,这四条巴士路线 (653, 655, 656, 657) 的两年合约在今年较早时已期满。当局在重新招标时发现,“私巴公司的投标价并不物有所值”,因此决定不颁发合约。

      陆交局之后询问SMRT和新捷运是否有兴趣接手经营这些路线,两家业者同意把这些路线纳入它们原有的巴士发包经营合约中。陆交局会根据各别巴士所行驶的里数支付服务费。

      The Land Transport Authority said that the two-year contracts of these four routes (653, 655, 656, 657) already expired earlier this year. When the authority opened a new tender, they realised that "the bids from private bus operators are not worth the money", thus decided not to award the contracts.

      The Land Transport Authority then asked SMRT and SBS Transit if they are interested to take over the operations of these bus routes. The two operators agreed to absorb these routes into their existing bus contracts. The Land Transport Authority would pay the service fee (to SMRT and SBS Transit) based on the mileage of the respective bus routes.

       

      Sorry for the spam. Just wanted to share an article about the transfer of city direct bus services to SMRT and SBS Transit, which also revealed how the service fees are derived.

      In short,

      1. For public routes, only the mileage is paid.

      2. Express bus routes are supposed to be profitable.

      3. The transfer was requested by LTA.

      Edited by gekpohboy 17 Apr `17, 12:42PM
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