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  • carbikebus's Avatar
    21,582 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by SG1131L:

      Gali Batu that one is bus terminal. I don’t remember they got say that Gali Batu on top will build bus depot. All I know is that they will build a bus terminal, probably similar to the bus terminal above EWL Tuas Depot.

      It’s under planning,beside the MRT station.The terminal we already acknowledge 

    • Originally posted by SG1131L:

      Recently, the government announced the stations and alignments of Jurong Region Line. I only have one comment: the station are obviously designed with future developments in mind. Otherwise, who’s going to contribute money to the line when it begins revenue service 8 years from now? I’m writing this with the “Peng Kang Hill” station in mind. 不可能 they will build a MRT station in the middle of nowhere, where people usually won’t go. Or build a MRT station at a location where there’s already very good public transport connections to existing MRT stations. (Eg. Gek Poh) For sure they have plans to rejuvenate the existing areas along the Jurong Region Line, otherwise why would they even have this line - besides serving the upcoming Tengah residential town?

      Jurong West is old, and would require some form of gentrification in about 10-20 years’ time. Likewise for the older part of Choa Chu Kang. And of course, Jurong East Toh Guan area.

      To some extent, Jurong Region Line is like the Docksland Light Railway in London. Docksland Light Railway helped to rejuvenate the Docksland area which became run down after its original trade gradually faded away due to some industrial revolution. Jurong Region Line, in this case, seems to have the purpose of revitalizing the western part of Singapore (Jurong West, Jurong East, Bukit Batok, Choa Chu Kang), so that it does not deteriorate into some rundown area in future.

      Meanwhile, the government also has plans to rejuvenate the eastern part of Singapore after the Paya Lebar Airport relocates to Changi. Everywhere is rejuvenating, and Jurong Region Line is just one of the measures to implement the rejuvenation.

      Singapore will have a population of more than 6.5m in future excluding foreign workers,So what do you think?Now even Tuas is lively at night with FWs.

    • Originally posted by lemon1974:

      If u look at the masterplan where the SEDEP/LYDEP is, they also never change the planning also... so are they going to build another few replacement depots in 5-10 years time? SEDEP cost S$70 million to built..(exclude land cost)...loyang depot cost $60 million..

      Hahaha,By looking at the structure many would think its an interim depot that would last only few years..But again I don’t think Gov is dumb enough to built 60-70m depot and demolished in a few years time right?

  • SG1131L's Avatar
    196 posts since Oct '17
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      Hahaha,By looking at the structure many would think its an interim depot that would last only few years..But again I don’t think Gov is dumb enough to built 60-70m depot and demolished in a few years time right?

      Yes.

    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      Singapore will have a population of more than 6.5m in future excluding foreign workers,So what do you think?Now even Tuas is lively at night with FWs.

      I know.

    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      It’s under planning,beside the MRT station.The terminal we already acknowledge 

      Which MRT station? Where you get the information from?

  • lemon1974's Avatar
    9,594 posts since Dec '04
    • Originally posted by SG1131L:

      Recently, the government announced the stations and alignments of Jurong Region Line. I only have one comment: the station are obviously designed with future developments in mind. Otherwise, who’s going to contribute money to the line when it begins revenue service 8 years from now? I’m writing this with the “Peng Kang Hill” station in mind. 不可能 they will build a MRT station in the middle of nowhere, where people usually won’t go. Or build a MRT station at a location where there’s already very good public transport connections to existing MRT stations. (Eg. Gek Poh) For sure they have plans to rejuvenate the existing areas along the Jurong Region Line, otherwise why would they even have this line - besides serving the upcoming Tengah residential town?

      Jurong West is old, and would require some form of gentrification in about 10-20 years’ time. Likewise for the older part of Choa Chu Kang. And of course, Jurong East Toh Guan area.

       

      they just name it as peng kang hill only ...the exact location is at Nanyang Dr if you bother to google (near Wee Kim Wee school of communication/medical school (at the edge of the NTU/Safti)..  and who know, later on, they will have a naming exercise to RENAME these station..  

      tawau is another station which is really in the middle of no where... 

      Edited by lemon1974 11 May `18, 5:15PM
  • SG1131L's Avatar
    196 posts since Oct '17
    • During the Mahathir era, usually the more upscale infrastructure projects like LRT they would ask the private sector to co-fund, or fund entirely. (Eg. The STAR LRT) but those projects failed and had to be bailed out by the government because of (1) the lack of integration with other public transport routes, and (2) the surrounding areas were probably less-developed then.

      I know this is not related to Mahathir.

      My point is, large-scale infrastructure projects that require a lot of money, for example LRT and bus depot, the government is already asking the private sector for help to co-fund it (unless they got a lot of money). Let alone use it for a short period of time and then demolish it.

      Bus depots are long-term investments. They are permanent, not temporary.

      Edited by SG1131L 11 May `18, 9:43PM
  • carbikebus's Avatar
    21,582 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by SG1131L:

      Which MRT station? Where you get the information from?

      Beside MRT depot i mean

    • Originally posted by lemon1974:

      they just name it as peng kang hill only ...the exact location is at Nanyang Dr if you bother to google (near Wee Kim Wee school of communication/medical school (at the edge of the NTU/Safti)..  and who know, later on, they will have a naming exercise to RENAME these station..  

      tawau is another station which is really in the middle of no where... 

      They should consider GekPoh also...This station should be very famous i guaranteed you

  • JonathanLeongCK's Avatar
    21 posts since Jan '18
    • Do anybody think that the stations for the JRL are located too close to each other, to the extent that MRT operations may not be practical. For example, the distance between Bahar Junction and Gek Poh (less than 2 bus stops) and the three stations within NTU.

       

      The distance between Bahar Junction and Jurong West could also be a little to close. Same for the distance between Jurong West and Corporation.

       

      I have a feeling this line will end up to be like BPLRT...

       

      Regards,

      Jonathan Leong CK

      Edited by JonathanLeongCK 12 May `18, 1:42AM
  • SG1131L's Avatar
    196 posts since Oct '17
    • About the Jurong Region Line, there is a long-time concern that Pioneer Primary School may be affected because the campus happens to be in the trajectory.

      What I feel is, it won’t be affected. In fact, the “tight turning” part already got me thinking of the skytrain at Changi Airport. Most probably they will build a structure along the small space between Pioneer Primary School and Blk 863, and most probably the way the Jurong Region Line trains turn will be like how the Changi Airport skytrains turn.

      In fact, the way the Jurong Region Line runs along densely populated areas, even closer to HDB flats than the LRT, already resembles how the Changi Airport skytrain runs right beside the buildings at Changi Airport.

      For those who want a preview of Jurong Region Line, the Changi Airport skytrain and Sengkang-Punggol LRT is a good reference to take. In fact, Jurong Region Line is like a combination of the two: Changi Airport skytrain trains and viaducts, and Sengkang-Punggol LRT route layout. In short, just go Changi Airport take skytrain if you want to experience taking trains at tight spaces. But the speed is definitely the same as Sengkang-Punggol LRT.

      Whereas for Bahar Junction, I’m expecting the same kind of junction that is present at Sengkang LRT and Punggol LRT.

      Edited by SG1131L 12 May `18, 10:03PM
  • azharjj's Avatar
    6,475 posts since Aug '07
    • Originally posted by SG1131L:

      About the Jurong Region Line, there is a long-time concern that Pioneer Primary School may be affected because the campus happens to be in the trajectory.

      What I feel is, it won’t be affected. In fact, the “tight turning” part already got me thinking of the skytrain at Changi Airport. Most probably they will build a structure along the small space between Pioneer Primary School and Blk 863, and most probably the way the Jurong Region Line trains turn will be like how the Changi Airport skytrains turn.

      In fact, the way the Jurong Region Line runs along densely populated areas, even closer to HDB flats than the LRT, already resembles how the Changi Airport skytrain runs right beside the buildings at Changi Airport.

      For those who want a preview of Jurong Region Line, the Changi Airport skytrain and Sengkang-Punggol LRT is a good reference to take. In fact, Jurong Region Line is like a combination of the two: Changi Airport skytrain trains and viaducts, and Sengkang-Punggol LRT route layout. In short, just go Changi Airport take skytrain if you want to experience taking trains at tight spaces. But the speed is definitely the same as Sengkang-Punggol LRT.

      Whereas for Bahar Junction, I’m expecting the same kind of junction that is present at Sengkang LRT and Punggol LRT.

      heard pioneer pri is closing down... merge with westwood pri

    • Originally posted by lemon1974:

      they just name it as peng kang hill only ...the exact location is at Nanyang Dr if you bother to google (near Wee Kim Wee school of communication/medical school (at the edge of the NTU/Safti)..  and who know, later on, they will have a naming exercise to RENAME these station..  

      tawau is another station which is really in the middle of no where... 

      tawas station haha

  • JKYY's Avatar
    702 posts since Oct '17
    • Some JRL MRT Distance (between side-by-side stations) between:

       

      Gek Poh MRT and Bahar Junction MRT - 2 bus stops

      Jurong East MRT and Jurong Town Hall MRT - 2 bus stops

      Choa Chu Kang MRT to Choa Chu Kang West MRT - 3 bus stops

      Boon Lay MRT to Enterprise MRT - 1 bus stop (Service 252) / 2 bus stop (Service 249)

      Toh Guan MRT - Jurong East MRT - 2 bus stops

      Nanyang Crescent MRT to Peng Kang Hill MRT - 2 bus stops

      Corporation MRT to Jurong West MRT - 1 bus stop

      Enterprise MRT to Tukang MRT - 2 bus stops

      Tukang MRT to Jurong Hill MRT - 2 bus stops

      Jurong Hill MRT to Jurong Pier MRT - 2 bus stops


      Edited by JKYY 14 May `18, 6:39PM
  • JonathanLeongCK's Avatar
    21 posts since Jan '18
    • Originally posted by JKYY:

      Some JRL MRT Distance (between side-by-side stations) between:

       

      Gek Poh MRT and Bahar Junction MRT - 2 bus stops

      Jurong East MRT and Jurong Town Hall MRT - 2 bus stops

      Choa Chu Kang MRT to Choa Chu Kang West MRT - 3 bus stops

      Boon Lay MRT to Enterprise MRT - 1 bus stop (Service 252) / 2 bus stop (Service 249)

      Toh Guan MRT - Jurong East MRT - 2 bus stops

      Nanyang Crescent MRT to Peng Kang Hill MRT - 2 bus stops

      Corporation MRT to Jurong West MRT - 1 bus stop

      Enterprise MRT to Tukang MRT - 2 bus stops

      Tukang MRT to Jurong Hill MRT - 2 bus stops

      Jurong Hill MRT to Jurong Pier MRT - 2 bus stops


      Is it possible if they build a terminal within NTU?The terminal could integrate with one of the station in NTU.

  • SG1131L's Avatar
    196 posts since Oct '17
    • Originally posted by azharjj:

      heard pioneer pri is closing down... merge with westwood pri

      A possible replacement site is Jurong West Street 93, behind the stadium. Otherwise, Jurong West Avenue 3 that empty field, opposite the HDB flats.

      If Pioneer Primary were to close, they would have announced it already. There are primary schools merging, but Pioneer Primary is not one of them. Jurong West still has an adequate demand to support all the primary schools in the area.

      Secondly, Jurong West Street 93 is quite far from any primary school as compared to other areas. If Pioneer Primary were to relocate there, it would rationalize the resources.

      Thirdly, it is along 99 bus route. Pioneer Primary students residing along Jurong West Avenue 5 can take 99 to the new location. The only consequence is having to travel longer distances, but that should not be a problem.

      Edited by SG1131L 14 May `18, 8:58PM
    • In terms of new flats, the newer flats are in Boon Lay area. So practically, Boon Lay may need another primary school besides Boon Lay Garden, and Pioneer Primary can relocate there. Recently, the former Jurong Fire Station site and former Boon Lay Secondary campus have been demolished. There’s a lot of vacant land in Boon Lay now. And if Boon Lay needs additional primary school supply, Pioneer Primary can relocate there.

      Unfortunately, it’s not along 99 bus route. But we can consider rerouting 258 for the purpose of connecting Pioneer Primary’s current serving area to the new location.

      Or for the matter, demolish Jurong JC after it is closed down this year and build a replacement primary school at that location. Opposite got new BTO recently completed last year. Would really complement all the new residential developments, which happens to be in Boon Lay and around Jurong West Avenue 1. Furthermore, the location is along 185 and 99 bus routes; which would enable existing Pioneer Primary School students and teachers living around the current location to travel to the new location without transferring buses.

      Anyway, what I want to say is, there’s potential for Pioneer Primary to relocate to another location in Jurong West.

      Edited by SG1131L 14 May `18, 8:58PM
  • carbikebus's Avatar
    21,582 posts since Nov '03
    • Amdep:106 designated parking lots,173 maximise parking.

      Sedep:85 reserved lots for SMRT.

      Wlbp:245 designated parking lots,280 maximise parking.

      Sembawang Int:34 maximise parkings.

      Wldep:275 designated lots,310 maximise parking.

      Wtbi:55 lots for SMRT.

      Kjdep:140 designated parking lots,220 maximise parking.

      Budep:70 lots for SMRT.

      Updep:120 parking lots for now.

      CCK Int:50 lots.

      Bpbp:30 maximise parking.

      TF buses:Majority park at Sedep,Minority park at Bpbp & Wlbp.

      Edited by carbikebus 18 May `18, 8:08PM
    • Majority Wldep Trg buses park at Wlbp.

       

  • Lovinsgbuses's Avatar
    59 posts since Jul '17
    • Yishun ITH seems 90% complete from the outside alr! Exterior of alighting berth area has black and yellow tiles if I'm not mistaken 

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    21,582 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by Lovinsgbuses:

      Yishun ITH seems 90% complete from the outside alr! Exterior of alighting berth area has black and yellow tiles if I'm not mistaken 

      Also cannot tank all the service there,Look smaller than the old Yishun Int.

    • I observed there’s more than 30 buses ONP at CCK Int,Cannot be only 301 & 927 park there with so many buses.

      There is no basic bus svc park at Lor 1 either

  • TIB 585L's Avatar
    9,282 posts since Apr '11
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      Also cannot tank all the service there,Look smaller than the old Yishun Int.


      So 856 to rest at woodlands now instead of yishun? 860 rest at YCK also?

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    21,582 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by TIB 585L:


      So 856 to rest at woodlands now instead of yishun? 860 rest at YCK also?

      I’m not sure about resting but again for now they park at Sedep with only a few park at Wlbp.

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