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  • AntiDennisLance's Avatar
    1,109 posts since Jul '03
    • Originally posted by lemon1974:

      i think hor, this bus will be used for SV71 launch tomorrow  by maybe our transport minister or PM (which is MP for AMK GRC) , to mark the end of the BSEP programme..

      so nice sui sui, rego SG2017C to mark the end of BSEP in 2017.... haha

      LOL maybe hor. We shall see.

  • SMB1333T's Avatar
    522 posts since Jun '13
    • Originally posted by lemon1974:

      i think hor, this bus will be used for SV71 launch tomorrow  by maybe our transport minister or PM (which is MP for AMK GRC) , to mark the end of the BSEP programme..

      so nice sui sui, rego SG2017C to mark the end of BSEP in 2017.... haha

      Yea 2017C most probably will be deployed on 71

      It was registered on 30 Nov together with the wrights assigned for this svc

      Normal 12m A95

  • A Bus Observer's Avatar
    296 posts since Nov '14
  • lemon1974's Avatar
    9,400 posts since Dec '04
    • Originally posted by AntiDennisLance:

      LOL maybe hor. We shall see.

      Haha. Really been used for the launch by PM today. With the BSEP Advertisement as well. 

  • SinkTel's Avatar
    2,691 posts since Oct '08
    • Originally posted by lemon1974:

      Haha. Really been used for the launch by PM today. With the BSEP Advertisement as well. 

      Good call haha! Based on pic, this 2017C comes with those standard door stickers that all SBST buses have in which other SBST A95 don’t, really wayang max lol.

  • Formususeonly's Avatar
    165 posts since Sep '16
    • Originally posted by A Bus Observer:

      But SG2017C is slightly heavier than normal A95..?

       

      Wonder whats the difference.

      Someone i know said that the sg2017c A95 is a Euro 6 . Normal A95 is Euro 5 only . So can someone check if it's euro 6 ?

       

      Update - Sgwiki says sg2017 is indeed a Euro 6 bus 

      Edited by Formususeonly 09 Dec `17, 6:21PM
  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,593 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by Formususeonly:

      Someone i know said that the sg2017c A95 is a Euro 6 . Normal A95 is Euro 5 only . So can someone check if it's euro 6 ?

       

      Update - Sgwiki says sg2017 is indeed a Euro 6 bus 

      I feel it's really euro 6 D2066 LUH-51 engine.Quite smooth and quiet.Thats the reason why the rego is 2017.

  • lemon1974's Avatar
    9,400 posts since Dec '04
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      I feel it's really euro 6 D2066 LUH-51 engine.Quite smooth and quiet.Thats the reason why the rego is 2017.

      There is a euro 6 batch near the entrance door.  Think just one unit for trial. 

  • sgbuses's Avatar
    2,363 posts since Nov '05
    • Originally posted by lemon1974:

      Haha. Really been used for the launch by PM today. With the BSEP Advertisement as well. 

      Industrial analysis:

      This launch is a big deal. Looks like STK/MAN want the whole production 3-door or/and Euro 6 bus contract really, really badly.

      If there is one TIB838H moment in BCM, this is it - to become the first Euro 6 public bus to be introduced in Singapore. They didn't airlift the whole unit into Singapore this time because they didn't have to (but it is possible the Euro 6 engine may have to be flown in to meet the deadline though). We are not going to have newer emission standards for quite a while (Euro VII doesn't exist yet).

      All three major DD manufacturers have gone to lengths not to alert their competition to what they were doing, but only STK/MAN was successful. It is unfortunate that ADL and Volvo were exposed by bus lobbyists (either by chance or deliberately) before they could make their proper move. That may have tipped STK/MAN to push their product out to market more quickly to have the first-mover advantage.

      Some may think that using SG5999Z rear door configuration as the scale bus model in presentation to PM Lee on the ceremony was some sort of mistake. It isn't. There is a very good reason why this particular scale bus model was used for this particular launch occasion.

      If STK/MAN in the meantime, with the introduction of SG2017C, trial of SG5999Z and advantage of incumbency, manages to convince LTA they can do the 3-door Euro 6 DD production run cheaper and faster than the other two (and that probability is quite high), then it's Game Over for ADL and Volvo.

      This is very important contract for the manufacturers because once LTA commits, it will be for a very, very long time and they don't switch easily. The Kawasaki MRT train contracts (from C151 to C151C to T251) is an example of that.

      Edited by sgbuses 10 Dec `17, 7:11AM
  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,593 posts since Nov '03
    • MAN/STK always have the edge over its competitors but I don't rule out the demo Euro6 B8L too since they've already established here.ADL might have 50/50 chance compared to Scania and probably Mercedes-Benz unless the former can make something like Citaro three axles DD for SG market.

    • Originally posted by lemon1974:

      There is a euro 6 batch near the entrance door.  Think just one unit for trial. 

      For MAN NL single deckers euro6,There is an option of 280hp/1250nm beside the usual 320hp/1600nm.For Volvo,There is nothing else I could think beside B8L which already make its debut in HK with 350hp/1400nm engine 

  • SMB128B's Avatar
    4,981 posts since May '11
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      MAN/STK always have the edge over its competitors but I don't rule out the demo Euro6 B8L too since they've already established here.ADL might have 50/50 chance compared to Scania and probably Mercedes-Benz unless the former can make something like Citaro three axles DD for SG market.

      I think Volvo will still be a strong competition.. now they have the B8L and the 7900, they are obv also deep in the game 

       

      ADL is still under a rock and we don't really know yet, the fate of the 3 door demo will be the determinant..

       

      As for Mercedes Benz.. It's Game Over a long time ago..

      Edited by SMB128B 10 Dec `17, 8:44AM
  • SMB1333T's Avatar
    522 posts since Jun '13
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      I feel it's really euro 6 D2066 LUH-51 engine.Quite smooth and quiet.Thats the reason why the rego is 2017.

      Thought someone kept saying its 5999Z?

      Edited by SMB1333T 10 Dec `17, 10:43AM
  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,593 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by SMB1333T:

      Thought someone kept saying its 5999Z?

      Wrong info by someone la,You never make mistake in your whole damm life ah?

    • Originally posted by SMB128B:

      I think Volvo will still be a strong competition.. now they have the B8L and the 7900, they are obv also deep in the game 

       

      ADL is still under a rock and we don't really know yet, the fate of the 3 door demo will be the determinant..

       

      As for Mercedes Benz.. It's Game Over a long time ago..

      Volvo is the strongest competitor in terms of its strong reliability and easy to get parts.As for ADL they have lots to do to convince LTA.Scania also game over..For electric powertrain,BYD stand a chance

       

       

       

  • Formususeonly's Avatar
    165 posts since Sep '16
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      Volvo is the strongest competitor in terms of its strong reliability and easy to get parts.As for ADL they have lots to do to convince LTA.Scania also game over..For electric powertrain,BYD stand a chance

       

       

       

      MAN is more reliable then Volvo from what I have seen and drive . I am a SAF Truck driver and normally I drive A MAN 5tonner ( the old one ) . Mind you the old 5 tonner is about 15 years old already given it been gone through muds,Rocky roads and harsh weather conditions and come out fine (break down is there but very little ) . Man built one of the best reliable engine out there . Just go to YouTube and type in MAN U boat engine and you will see why . U boat engine with Man engine survive until today and still running strong . A 1920s MAN engine is still running strong is what I call reliability.  And also MAN has bigger parts here given STK is their distributor.  Is not that I hate Volvo but I just don't like the Swedish as the Swedish thinks they are better then everyone because they got a Alps . 

  • sgbuses's Avatar
    2,363 posts since Nov '05
    • Originally posted by SMB128B:

      I think Volvo will still be a strong competition.. now they have the B8L and the 7900, they are obv also deep in the game 

       

      ADL is still under a rock and we don't really know yet, the fate of the 3 door demo will be the determinant..

       

      As for Mercedes Benz.. It's Game Over a long time ago..

      Mercedes-Benz has one quick option rotting in Australia right now capable of revitalizing interest in Singapore...but I doubt C&C will exercise it.

    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      Volvo is the strongest competitor in terms of its strong reliability and easy to get parts.As for ADL they have lots to do to convince LTA.Scania also game over..For electric powertrain,BYD stand a chance

       

      ADL's 3-door configuration was the preferred one. For STK/MAN to succeed they have to convince LTA that it is not worth the cost.

      If LTA accept STK/MAN's 3-door configuration, the market will open up to other players such as Volvo. But this is where Volvo will come under pressure, because STK/MAN has just taken away their Euro 6 first-mover advantage.

      Edited by sgbuses 10 Dec `17, 4:39PM
  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,593 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by Formususeonly:

      MAN is more reliable then Volvo from what I have seen and drive . I am a SAF Truck driver and normally I drive A MAN 5tonner ( the old one ) . Mind you the old 5 tonner is about 15 years old already given it been gone through muds,Rocky roads and harsh weather conditions and come out fine (break down is there but very little ) . Man built one of the best reliable engine out there . Just go to YouTube and type in MAN U boat engine and you will see why . U boat engine with Man engine survive until today and still running strong . A 1920s MAN engine is still running strong is what I call reliability.  And also MAN has bigger parts here given STK is their distributor.  Is not that I hate Volvo but I just don't like the Swedish as the Swedish thinks they are better then everyone because they got a Alps . 

      Did I mentioned MAN is not reliable ??Ive drive MAN tipper truck also during a short stint at a construction company.I have drive the sole SBST MAN 18.240 during my training days.MAN,MB,Volvo,Scania is the most reliable all weather engine so far I have seen.

  • Formususeonly's Avatar
    165 posts since Sep '16
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      Did I mentioned MAN is not reliable ??Ive drive MAN tipper truck also during a short stint at a construction company.I have drive the sole SBST MAN 18.240 during my training days.MAN,MB,Volvo,Scania is the most reliable all weather engine so far I have seen.

      Sorry for the doubt . I sincerely apologize to you . Funny thing is that what bus manufacturer is reliable to you is all in SG . Man / volvo / Benz / scania are all being used there's no other bus company . Cummins engine is shit .period . China made engine are quite bad performancer

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,593 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by Formususeonly:

      Sorry for the doubt . I sincerely apologize to you . Funny thing is that what bus manufacturer is reliable to you is all in SG . Man / volvo / Benz / scania are all being used there's no other bus company . Cummins engine is shit .period . China made engine are quite bad performancer

      Those 4 based on their performance and foothold in SE Asia countries..Any engine that can perform in SE Asia weather can also perform in other countries.As for Cummins there're way better than the early 2000s ones..Have an improvement over the years

  • Ex-busdriver's Avatar
    42 posts since Jul '09
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      Those 4 based on their performance and foothold in SE Asia countries..Any engine that can perform in SE Asia weather can also perform in other countries.As for Cummins there're way better than the early 2000s ones..Have an improvement over the years


      Out of curiosity. Are the MAN DD & single decks fitted with the kneeling switches ?

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,593 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by Ex-busdriver:


      Out of curiosity. Are the MAN DD & single decks fitted with the kneeling switches ?

      Should be

  • Formususeonly's Avatar
    165 posts since Sep '16
    • Anyone knows where the Euro 6 A95 gone to ? Cant seem to find it on the road or with any services not even 71

  • iveco's Avatar
    17,123 posts since Mar '04
    • Originally posted by sgbuses:

      Industrial analysis:

      This launch is a big deal. Looks like STK/MAN want the whole production 3-door or/and Euro 6 bus contract really, really badly.

      If there is one TIB838H moment in BCM, this is it - to become the first Euro 6 public bus to be introduced in Singapore. They didn't airlift the whole unit into Singapore this time because they didn't have to (but it is possible the Euro 6 engine may have to be flown in to meet the deadline though). We are not going to have newer emission standards for quite a while (Euro VII doesn't exist yet).

      All three major DD manufacturers have gone to lengths not to alert their competition to what they were doing, but only STK/MAN was successful. It is unfortunate that ADL and Volvo were exposed by bus lobbyists (either by chance or deliberately) before they could make their proper move. That may have tipped STK/MAN to push their product out to market more quickly to have the first-mover advantage.

      Some may think that using SG5999Z rear door configuration as the scale bus model in presentation to PM Lee on the ceremony was some sort of mistake. It isn't. There is a very good reason why this particular scale bus model was used for this particular launch occasion.

      If STK/MAN in the meantime, with the introduction of SG2017C, trial of SG5999Z and advantage of incumbency, manages to convince LTA they can do the 3-door Euro 6 DD production run cheaper and faster than the other two (and that probability is quite high), then it's Game Over for ADL and Volvo.

      This is very important contract for the manufacturers because once LTA commits, it will be for a very, very long time and they don't switch easily. The Kawasaki MRT train contracts (from C151 to C151C to T251) is an example of that.

      Surprised SMRT still stuck with Kawasaki/CRRC despite the glaring defects in the C151A railcars. If it had been me, the C151C and CT251 contracts might have been given to someone else.

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