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  • A22 fan's Avatar
    170 posts since Jul '17
    • 195 obviously a good choice.105 plys woeful routes but the demand is still there. Even though a certain percentage of duplication with 106 of TT.

  • array88's Avatar
    1,400 posts since May '14
    • My take:

      15, 33, 105, 124, 131, 138, 195.

      Not sure if all these routes are bendy-friendly, though.

      Edited by array88 19 Oct `17, 1:35AM
  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,430 posts since May '12
    • Originally posted by array88:

      My take:

      15, 33, 105, 124, 131, 138, 195.

      Not sure if all these routes are bendy-friendly, though.

      15, 33 would find it extremely difficult to manouvre along Joo Chiat Place with bendies. 138 does not need bendies. 195 has already been deemed unfit for bendies. 105 and 131 are doing fine with the current fleet. 124 is the one that needs HC buses but I don't see any reason why LTA cannot provide DDs if they trim trees along Telok Blangah estate. Just one, two roads remaining, rest are DD friendly.

       

  • SBS2792K's Avatar
    141 posts since Jun '17
    • Originally posted by array88:

      My take:

      15, 33, 105, 124, 131, 138, 195.

      Not sure if all these routes are bendy-friendly, though.

      138 DD friendly but not deployed with DD

  • A22 fan's Avatar
    170 posts since Jul '17
  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,430 posts since May '12
    • Originally posted by A22 fan:

      138 demand low most of the time except on weekends and public holidays.

      138 demand will fall even further with 860 introduced to YCK MRT. 

  • Paulautumn020's Avatar
    14 posts since Oct '17
    • 铰接客车应该不会在可预见的将来被淘汰。

      Bendy buses will probably not retire in the foreseeable future.

      Edited by Paulautumn020 19 Oct `17, 9:33PM
  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,430 posts since May '12
    • Originally posted by Paulautumn020:

      双铰接客车不会在可预见的将来被淘汰。

      Bendy buses will not retire in the foreseeable future.

      Will not retire, but reduce significantly in number. It will be like "wow... i spotted a bendy today" like we were doing with the VO3x. 

  • Paulautumn020's Avatar
    14 posts since Oct '17
    • 咱们觉得铰接客车以后只会在樟宜机场和那些不能容纳双层巴士的路段行驶。

      In future, bendy buses would probably only be found at Changi Airport and at areas where double-decker buses cannot access.

      Edited by Paulautumn020 19 Oct `17, 9:33PM
    • 有一些路线是真的很需要用到高乘客量的巴士,但就是因为有一些路段不能容纳双层巴士而只能够用低乘客量的单层巴士,比方说105号公车路线。假如这些路线可以使用铰接客车的话,乘搭这些公车路线的舒适程度应该会有所提升。

      There are bus routes that require high capacity buses, but could only use the low capacity single-decker buses as some roads cannot accommodate double-decker buses, such as bus route 105. If these routes can use bendy buses, I believe the comfort level on these bus routes would increase.

      Edited by Paulautumn020 19 Oct `17, 9:33PM
  • vicamour's Avatar
    1,479 posts since Jan '09
    • Originally posted by Paulautumn020:

      双铰接客车应该不会在可预见的将来被淘汰。

      Bendy buses will not retire in the foreseeable future.

      The last batch of the 40 bendies will run for another 15 years till their lifespan expires and there will be no more.

      Meanwhile LTA will be sorting out the viable solutions on how the current airport services and a few services with height constraints, which adds up to a handful, are to continue operations when the last bendy bus retires. Most likely they might add on a few services to divert the crowds, use short working trips for areas of these routes that have high demands but do not need to go to the airport, or creative route amendments as in 807 and 860 case. Else they may alter the infrastructures that can accommodate double deckers. 

      It's going to be interesting observations and changes for these services in the years going forward. 

       

  • Paulautumn020's Avatar
    14 posts since Oct '17
    • Originally posted by vicamour:

      The last batch of the 40 bendies will run for another 15 years till their lifespan expires and there will be no more.

      Meanwhile LTA will be sorting out the viable solutions on how the current airport services and a few services with height constraints, which adds up to a handful, are to continue operations when the last bendy bus retires. Most likely they might add on a few services to divert the crowds, use short working trips for areas of these routes that have high demands but do not need to go to the airport, or creative route amendments as in 807 and 860 case. Else they may alter the infrastructures that can accommodate double deckers. 

      It's going to be interesting observations and changes for these services in the years going forward. 

       

      设施应该是足够容纳铰接客车的,稍微调整一下就可以了。

      我倒觉得机场巴士路线将永久使用铰接客车,除非到时候 Cross Island Line 和 Thomson East Coast Line 开了以后,乘客们对机场巴士的需求减少,机场巴士路线才有可能全用低乘客量的单层巴士营运。

      至于未来会发生什么事情,我们难以确认,因为局势一直不断的变化。然而,目前可以确定的是在可预见的未来,铰接客车是不会被淘汰,因为机场和一些路段是不能容纳双层巴士,而只要穿行这些地方的巴士路线需要高乘客量巴士,我们还是需要铰接客车来满足乘客们的需求。

      The infrastructure should be able to accommodate bendy buses. Probably just a few adjustments would be required.

      I feel that the airport bus routes will always require bendy buses, unless one day when the Cross Island Line and Thomson East Coast Line open and the passenger demand no longer require the bus routes to have high capacity buses.

      As for what will happen in future, we are unable to confirm, because the situation keeps changing. Nonetheless, what we can confirm is that bendy buses will not be disqualified in the foreseeable future. Because the airport and some areas cannot accommodate double-decker buses, as long as the bus routes plying these places require high capacity buses, we will still require bendy buses to meet the passenger demand.

      Edited by Paulautumn020 19 Oct `17, 11:51PM
  • SMB128B's Avatar
    4,968 posts since May '11
    • Originally posted by vicamour:

      The last batch of the 40 bendies will run for another 15 years till their lifespan expires and there will be no more.

      Meanwhile LTA will be sorting out the viable solutions on how the current airport services and a few services with height constraints, which adds up to a handful, are to continue operations when the last bendy bus retires. Most likely they might add on a few services to divert the crowds, use short working trips for areas of these routes that have high demands but do not need to go to the airport, or creative route amendments as in 807 and 860 case. Else they may alter the infrastructures that can accommodate double deckers. 

      It's going to be interesting observations and changes for these services in the years going forward. 

       

      Keep on waiting... I bet w you 50 big that at least for the next decade... buses will continue going into the basements... they had a great chance to build a new terminal, and they decided to fk it...

  • A22 fan's Avatar
    170 posts since Jul '17
  • vicamour's Avatar
    1,479 posts since Jan '09
    • Originally posted by Paulautumn020:

      设施应该是足够容纳铰接客车的,稍微调整一下就可以了。

      我倒觉得机场巴士路线将永久使用铰接客车,除非到时候 Cross Island Line 和 Thomson East Coast Line 开了以后,乘客们对机场巴士的需求减少,机场巴士路线才有可能全用低乘客量的单层巴士营运。

      至于未来会发生什么事情,我们难以确认,因为局势一直不断的变化。然而,目前可以确定的是在可预见的未来,铰接客车是不会被淘汰,因为机场和一些路段是不能容纳双层巴士,而只要穿行这些地方的巴士路线需要高乘客量巴士,我们还是需要铰接客车来满足乘客们的需求。

      The infrastructure should be able to accommodate bendy buses. Probably just a few adjustments would be required.

      I feel that the airport bus routes will always require bendy buses, unless one day when the Cross Island Line and Thomson East Coast Line open and the passenger demand no longer require the bus routes to have high capacity buses.

      As for what will happen in future, we are unable to confirm, because the situation keeps changing. Nonetheless, what we can confirm is that bendy buses will not be disqualified in the foreseeable future. Because the airport and some areas cannot accommodate double-decker buses, as long as the bus routes plying these places require high capacity buses, we will still require bendy buses to meet the passenger demand.

      You see, that's the plan.

      Thomson East Coast and Cross Island lines will be built in the next 15 years, whereby the last bendies will be withdrawn from service. By then, the demands will be diverted to these lines and the loadings of the current bus services in the airport will be lessen.

      While you have said airport bus terminal can support bendies only, but that's only for one service. Terminal 3 and 1 bus terminal is too small and narrow to accommodate more bendies. On top of that, every terminal requires a security check before entrance. The bus queue will be very long if there are many of these long buses in the waiting queue and thus will even delay other vehicles for the airport services. 

      For now, the bendies are still in use because there are 15 years to go for the 40 A24s. LTA don't want to waste them. Once they have found other solutions to replace the bendies, airport services will not even need these bendies anymore. 

    • Originally posted by SMB128B:

      Keep on waiting... I bet w you 50 big that at least for the next decade... buses will continue going into the basements... they had a great chance to build a new terminal, and they decided to fk it...

      No need to bet.

      Go observe what LTA is doing instead.

  • TIB967T's Avatar
    249 posts since Dec '13
    • Originally posted by SG5064X:

      300 seem to be using 1 or 2 A24 daily from my observation.

      Because 300/302 bc will rotate every 2 weeks, and they will bring their buses along with them.

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,294 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by vicamour:

      No need to bet.

      Go observe what LTA is doing instead.

      I heard they might purchased a few more bendies leh

  • SMB128B's Avatar
    4,968 posts since May '11
    • Originally posted by vicamour:

      No need to bet.

      Go observe what LTA is doing instead.

      Hahaha what is LTA even doing? Adding new svcs so that more buses can be jammed in the basement? 

      You ask us to observe and I'm telling you that doing so will just be a sad waste of your time.

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,294 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by SMB128B:

      Hahaha what is LTA even doing? Adding new svcs so that more buses can be jammed in the basement? 

      You ask us to observe and I'm telling you that doing so will just be a sad waste of your time.

      He anti-bendies and SMRT la

  • Zinger Burger's Avatar
    6 posts since Oct '17
    • Originally posted by vicamour:

      You see, that's the plan.

      Thomson East Coast and Cross Island lines will be built in the next 15 years, whereby the last bendies will be withdrawn from service. By then, the demands will be diverted to these lines and the loadings of the current bus services in the airport will be lessen.

      While you have said airport bus terminal can support bendies only, but that's only for one service. Terminal 3 and 1 bus terminal is too small and narrow to accommodate more bendies. On top of that, every terminal requires a security check before entrance. The bus queue will be very long if there are many of these long buses in the waiting queue and thus will even delay other vehicles for the airport services. 

      For now, the bendies are still in use because there are 15 years to go for the 40 A24s. LTA don't want to waste them. Once they have found other solutions to replace the bendies, airport services will not even need these bendies anymore. 

      其实,有关机场的链接性,咱们觉得新隆高铁没有开到樟宜机场很可惜。唯一链接机场的捷运线只有东西线,跨岛线和汤申东海岸线。

      然而,至于以后有了跨岛线和汤申东海岸线巴士还需不需要有高乘客量,那就要看那些穿行机场的捷运站有没有缓解乘客们对公车的依赖。

      Actually, regarding the airport connectivity, I feel that it’s a pity that the Singapore-Kuala Lumpur High Speed Rail will not run to Changi Airport. The only rail lines that connect to the airport are East West Line, Cross Island Line and Thomson East Coast Line.

      Nonetheless, as to whether the buses have to have high capacity after the opening of Cross Island Line and Thomson East Coast Line, that would have to see whether the airport stations got relieve the passenger demand for public buses.

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,294 posts since Nov '03
  • Zinger Burger's Avatar
    6 posts since Oct '17
    • Originally posted by SMB128B:

      Hahaha what is LTA even doing? Adding new svcs so that more buses can be jammed in the basement? 

      You ask us to observe and I'm telling you that doing so will just be a sad waste of your time.

      我明白你的忧虑。咱们也认为目前的设备和规划并不足以让每一个公车路线有铰接客车穿行樟宜机场地下停车场。

      对于这一点,解决方案就是不要让巴士停靠在樟宜机场地下停车场太久,而是像一般的巴士站这样停一两分钟就走。因为据我所观察,停车场的路是够宽的,只不过有很多巴士在哪儿停靠很久,甚至有巴士车长把巴士停在一边关掉引擎到他们的休息室休息一会儿。可能就是因为这样所以樟宜机场地下停车场显得不够宽敞让每一个巴士路线使用铰接客车,而只有858号公车路线能够用铰接客车。

      如果把目前的营运模式换成像巴士站一般的模式,就是巴士开到车站让乘客上下车,大约一两分钟就走,相信地下停车场可能就不会有交通阻塞的现象,而每一个巴士路线都可以使用铰接客车进入樟宜机场地下停车场服务乘客。

      当然,咱们明白有一些巴士路线是在樟宜机场地下停车场出发的,那么改道啊,把那些巴士路线延伸到周围的巴士车站出发。比方说36号公车路线,该路线可以延伸到樟宜商业园或淡滨尼广场,无需在樟宜机场地下停车场出发。

      这样一来,道路应该会宽敞一些,而每一个公车路线就可以用铰接客车来满足高乘客量的需求。

      希望有人可以向当局提出这个意见,而不是让这一点徘徊在网路交流平台当做讨论点子而已。

      I understand your concern. I also think that the current infrastructure and planning is not able to allow every bus route to use bendy buses to ply the Changi Airport basement car park.

      Regarding this point, the solution is to not allow buses to stop at the Changi Airport basement car park for too long. Instead, let the buses call at bus stops for only a few minutes and go off.

      Because from my observations, the car park road space is wide enough. The only issue is that many buses stop at the car park for too long, and there are bus drivers that park their bus at the side of the road and take a break at their office. It could be due to this that the Changi Airport basement car park seem to not have enough space for every bus route to use bendy buses, and only bus route 858 uses bendy buses.

      If we change the current operating model to an arrangement similar to an average bus stop, where buses just stop for a few minutes then go, I believe the basement car park would probably not have traffic congestion issue, and every bus route can use bendy buses to enter the Changi Airport basement car park to serve passengers.

      Of course, I understand that there are bus routes that originate at the Changi Airport basement car park. Then change the routing lor, by extending those bus routes to originate at surrounding bus terminals. For example, bus route 36 can be extended to Changi Business Park or Tampines Concourse, instead of originating at the Changi Airport basement carpark.

      This way, the roads would probably be wider a bit, and every bus route could use bendy buses to meet the demand for high capacity.

      Hopefully, someone can raise this suggestion to the authorities, and not just let this be an online discussion topic only.

      Edited by Zinger Burger 20 Oct `17, 11:17PM
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      Edited by Zinger Burger 20 Oct `17, 7:33PM
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    20,294 posts since Nov '03
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