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  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,798 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by iveco:

      And Scania gets shut out. Sad.

      Its their decisions. ..Unless Scania or MB can came up with something practical and innovative 

  • ND323F's Avatar
    42 posts since Mar '17
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      In future i think only Volvo,MAN & probably ADL will be the choice.Look at Volvo,They've already won both hybrid and electric buses contracts

      Electric bus tender not closed yet.

  • SMB128B's Avatar
    4,988 posts since May '11
    • http://www.hkitalk.net/HKiTalk2/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=1054027

      No PIS.. old doors..

      In 2018..

      Design is nice but still q a failure for a 2018 product

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,798 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by SMB128B:

      http://www.hkitalk.net/HKiTalk2/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=1054027

      No PIS.. old doors..

      In 2018..

      Design is nice but still q a failure for a 2018 product

      Told you already,follow ASS BE ASS spec mah

  • ND323F's Avatar
    42 posts since Mar '17
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      Told you already,follow ASS BE ASS spec mah

      They included auto-ramp and partial USB ports. It seems like they wanted to match up with MAN.

      In fact the new tender calls for PIDS, which is very much pushed by MAN. Kind of surprised Volvo did not include it.

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,798 posts since Nov '03
    • Got a feeling there will be a 2axles version using the 280 or 320hp.HK will surely buy the 2 axles with AC.

  • wsy1234's Avatar
    1,641 posts since Aug '07
    • LTA should buy 2 axles version for jurong and tuas service. like last time those old non air con DD

  • sgbuses's Avatar
    2,371 posts since Nov '05
    • Originally posted by ND323F:

      They included auto-ramp and partial USB ports. It seems like they wanted to match up with MAN.

      In fact the new tender calls for PIDS, which is very much pushed by MAN. Kind of surprised Volvo did not include it.

      Singapore is notorious for more than two decades trying and failing to maintain LCD-based PIS/PIDS. I have yet to seen any system that has passed the test of time.

      C751B, BPLRT, C751A, SMB138Y, you name it... Even SG4002G's two PIDS weren't functioning as intended during the last days of its trial.

      Edited by sgbuses 28 Jan `18, 6:08PM
  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,798 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by wsy1234:

      LTA should buy 2 axles version for jurong and tuas service. like last time those old non air con DD

      There is no narrow places like HK that 3 axles DD can't ply brother, Unless LTA buy for svc like 63.

  • SMB128B's Avatar
    4,988 posts since May '11
    • Originally posted by sgbuses:

      Singapore is notorious for more than two decades trying and failing to maintain LCD-based PIS/PIDS. I have yet to seen any system that has passed the test of time.

      C751B, BPLRT, C751A, SMB138Y, you name it... Even SG4002G's two PIDS weren't functioning as intended during the last days of its trial.

      Exactly shows how backwards SG public transport is. Almost every other transit system is able to maintain some form of LCD based system. Of course there are established players like Japan and Seoul, but recently even Bangkok and KL are catching up, and so are the 2nd tier cities in China. 

      As for buses, it's simply laughable for SG to claim to want to model after HK, when LCD PIS has been launched as early as 2012 there, and here they can't even include it in a 2018 product.

  • autumncs's Avatar
    438 posts since Oct '06
    • Originally posted by SMB128B:

      Exactly shows how backwards SG public transport is. Almost every other transit system is able to maintain some form of LCD based system. Of course there are established players like Japan and Seoul, but recently even Bangkok and KL are catching up, and so are the 2nd tier cities in China. 

      As for buses, it's simply laughable for SG to claim to want to model after HK, when LCD PIS has been launched as early as 2012 there, and here they can't even include it in a 2018 product.

      Since SG is super-slow to adopt PIS/PIDS, people are now using Google Map and bus apps instead. With the rise of these personalised "DIY PIS", a LCD PIS may not even be necessary.

  • AntiDennisLance's Avatar
    1,126 posts since Jul '03
    • Originally posted by autumncs:

      Since SG is super-slow to adopt PIS/PIDS, people are now using Google Map and bus apps instead. With the rise of these personalised "DIY PIS", a LCD PIS may not even be necessary.

      I think thats the whole point - mobile app more efficient, cheaper to operate and only requires maintenance at the server end.

  • SMB128B's Avatar
    4,988 posts since May '11
    • Originally posted by autumncs:

      Since SG is super-slow to adopt PIS/PIDS, people are now using Google Map and bus apps instead. With the rise of these personalised "DIY PIS", a LCD PIS may not even be necessary.

      It is ludicrous to force a solution upon people who may not have the luxury of choice. 

      Old folks? Those not tech-savvy? Battery running flat? Tourists?

      Many more scenarios. To sideline the problem by removing choices under the illusion of "advancement" is a problem-solution mismatch and only goes to show the extreme lack of foresight and commitment the authority has in the system.

      Edited by SMB128B 30 Jan `18, 10:07PM
  • sgbuses's Avatar
    2,371 posts since Nov '05
    • Originally posted by SMB128B:

      It is ludicrous to force a solution upon people who may not have the luxury of choice. 

      Old folks? Those not tech-savvy? Battery running flat? Tourists?

      Many more scenarios. To sideline the problem by removing choices under the illusion of "advancement" is a problem-solution mismatch and only goes to show the extreme lack of foresight and commitment the authority has in the system.

      The Trapeze PIDS offered the most promising technical solution (because it is integrated into their existing system), but of all things the more (if not most) expensive customer-facing product was picked for the trial.

      And the features weren't maximized either. Multi-language for the older folks, for instance.

      Edited by sgbuses 08 Feb `18, 12:56AM
  • TPS Timothy Mok's Avatar
    1,216 posts since Aug '07
    • Originally posted by wsy1234:

      LTA should buy 2 axles version for jurong and tuas service. like last time those old non air con DD

      It was a mistake to buy 3-axle buses through, but nevermind 3-axle buses should be made optional. 2-axle buses as a non-aircon, is still a norm but with openable windows for ventilation like London and Hong Kong MTR's trains.

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,798 posts since Nov '03
    • Volvo should aim for higher torque instead of horsepower which is meaningless in Singapore.Just because its under CDGE and their ppl all pressing LTA to bought this?

      Their B9TL after torque restrictions already struggled in few areas and now wity only 7700cc engine block?Who cares about the 350hp which is of course limited to 60kmh only?Its more suitable for intercity usage rather than city usage.

      In future Volvo should aim for at least 1550nm of torque.

      Options for SD:260/280/300hp with 1200/1300/1400nm

      DD 2 axles:305/315hp with 1450/1550nm

      DD 3 axles:325/335/345hp with 1650/1750/1850nm..

  • PoweredByCNG's Avatar
    19 posts since Jan '06
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      Volvo should aim for higher torque instead of horsepower which is meaningless in Singapore.Just because its under CDGE and their ppl all pressing LTA to bought this?

      Their B9TL after torque restrictions already struggled in few areas and now wity only 7700cc engine block?Who cares about the 350hp which is of course limited to 60kmh only?Its more suitable for intercity usage rather than city usage.

      In future Volvo should aim for at least 1550nm of torque.

      Options for SD:260/280/300hp with 1200/1300/1400nm

      DD 2 axles:305/315hp with 1450/1550nm

      DD 3 axles:325/335/345hp with 1650/1750/1850nm..

      There is nothing wrong with the Volvo D8K engine in a city bus context.  It is a perfectly suitable engine with more than enough nominal power and torque output, smooth and brisk power delivery under transient conditions, great fuel economy and low noise output.  Peak power and torque only tells you part of the story so until you understand the physics behind this, please refrain from making generalisations.  The 350 PS version of this engine is more than capable of powering a fully laden articulated bus in hilly topography with good driveability given appropriate axle gearing and engine/gearbox mapping.  Speaking from personal experience.

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    20,798 posts since Nov '03
  • ND323F's Avatar
    42 posts since Mar '17
    • CDG is no longer the body assembler for Wright/Volvo under the new LTA tender, the price is too high. 

      The Hybrid will be MCV, and my guess if they win the latest tender, it will be either MCV or KL assembled Wright

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