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  • SG1131L's Avatar
    195 posts since Oct '17
    • With regards to Jurong Region Line, the eventual product may not be what is “revealed” online. Those “revealed” online may not be real, but just made up to satisfy the curious minds of those wanting to know the alignment and stations of the line. Be prepared to accept that all those are fake. Only the information from LTA is real.

  • ND323F's Avatar
    73 posts since Mar '17
  • carbikebus's Avatar
    21,535 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by ND323F:

      I've heard news that China brand is coming in for the PT322 tender

      If Youngman got chance since its using MAN engine. 

      Higer maybe use Scania,Yutong and Ankai most probably Cummins engine.

    • I'm not suprised if is 100 A95 & 50 B8L..There might be Euro6 MAN A22 NL283F too.

  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,656 posts since May '12
  • ND323F's Avatar
    73 posts since Mar '17
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      If Youngman got chance since its using MAN engine. 

      Higer maybe use Scania,Yutong and Ankai most probably Cummins engine.

      Does Yongman have any presence in SG?

  • sgbuses's Avatar
    2,394 posts since Nov '05
    • Originally posted by ND323F:

      I've heard news that China brand is coming in for the PT322 tender

      The only brand that can hit the 1,000 citybus export mark would be Yutong. King Long/Higer maybe. Others mostly cater to their domestic market.

  • ND323F's Avatar
    73 posts since Mar '17
    • Originally posted by sgbuses:

      The only brand that can hit the 1,000 citybus export mark would be Yutong. King Long/Higer maybe. Others mostly cater to their domestic market.

      Do you have a feeling that we are going to have China city buses in the future?

  • wsy1234's Avatar
    1,677 posts since Aug '07
    • China bus? unless LTA and SCDF want to be busy. MRT already have problem. LTA should spend our money getting better buses if they want people to give up cars

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    21,535 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by wsy1234:

      China bus? unless LTA and SCDF want to be busy. MRT already have problem. LTA should spend our money getting better buses if they want people to give up cars

      I don't think China brands got an advantage here.Its always the European brands for citybuses.

  • sgbuses's Avatar
    2,394 posts since Nov '05
    • Originally posted by ND323F:

      Do you have a feeling that we are going to have China city buses in the future?

      We asked that question back in 2009 when the Yutong, Sunlong and Zhongtong showed up. The lobbyists then had a field day. We know what happened since.

      I expect a similar outcome. That being said, certain brands such as Yutong do make comparative decent products these days. The established European manufacturers have also largely outsourced their production out of their home countries, so they can't claim superiority in a manner they used to (though they will still try).

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    21,535 posts since Nov '03
  • ND323F's Avatar
    73 posts since Mar '17
    • But do not forget that now it is LTA who is now buying the buses via open tender. So long as the specs meets, lowest price will definitely win. Almost every big govt project is done by Chinese company, eg HDB, lifts, MRT. 

      Edited by ND323F 27 Jan `18, 9:34PM
  • SG1131L's Avatar
    195 posts since Oct '17
    • Originally posted by SMB128B:

      Quite wrong about bicycle sharing. This new, unprecedented form of first/last mile connection mode has been highly popular and supported by the government in line with the vision to promote public transport and the usage of bicycles as a transportation mode in place of cars.

      You must be either ignorant or myopic to even see public transport as a substitute to bike sharing, when it is actually a compliment. Unless you think people actually cycle from Jurong to Tampines. 

      In terms of demand, it is already telling given the constantly empty bike racks during peak hours. And long term benefits have been mentioned above. 

      Though I may agree that bike firms may scale down operation, but due to another reason. Given that bike sharing is ultimately the means used by start-ups to raise funds, the fact that bike sharing firms such as Mobike and Ofo has now gotten the back of major firms such as Alibaba and Wechat, may soon mean that bike sharing as a business model has lost much of its function as an idea to sell to potential investors. Therefore, in wanting to venture into more lucrative product markets e.g. Grab investing in digital wallets, these firms may hence reduce bike sharing operations to free up resources for investment in other areas.

      Sadly, a research has found otherwise.

      The following is an article from the Chinese newspaper, Lianhe Zaobao,

      研究显示:本地共享脚踏车使用率偏低 每天平均 23.5 个小时无人骑行

      (http://www.zaobao.com.sg/)

      本地共享脚踏车的数量过去一年不断增加,但一项针对约1万辆共享脚踏车的研究显示,大多数脚踏车每天平均使用量少于两次,并有23.5个小时无人骑行,使用率偏低。研究员指出,除了控制业者车队,还可通过改善基础设施等方式提高使用率,以达物尽其用。

      新加坡—麻省理工学院科研中心(SMART)未来城市交通系统跨领域研究小组去年4月至5月间,分析了本地“最大规模之一”的共享脚踏车业者连续九天的车队使用数据,并在今年2月发表了研究报告。

      报告显示,该业者的车队在研究期间从8000多辆逐渐增至约1万辆,其中约14.3%的脚踏车在这九天中完全没人使用,其余的使用量每天平均少于两次,骑行时间平均不超过30分钟。

      参与研究的张啸虎博士受访时指出,数据虽然指向共享脚踏车的使用率偏低,但由于这类服务在本地还未成熟,很难预测接下来是否会更盛行,使用率或许会自然提升。

      他也提到,除了控制业者车队,还可通过改善基础设施等方式,提高共享脚踏车的使用率。

      “新加坡天气炎热也经常下雨,如果能建造有盖脚踏车道,或许会鼓励更多人骑车,共享脚踏车服务也可能更受欢迎。”

      Translation:

      Research shows that the local bicycle sharing usage is low, with the bicycles not used for around 23.5 hours everyday

      Whereas the number of shared bicycles has been rising over the past year, a study involving 10 thousand shared bicycles revealed that most bicycles were used less than 2 times everyday, the bicycles were not used for 23.5 hours everyday, and the usage rate is low. Researchers noted that besides controlling the operator’s bicycle fleet size, improvements to infrastructure and other methods could be used to increase the usage rate and make the business sustainable.

      Researchers from Singapore-MIT Alliance for Research and Technology Centre Future Urban Mobility Interdisciplinary Research Group conducted the study between April and May last year. Data from “one of the largest bicycle sharing operators” in Singapore was observed over a nine-day period to obtain the bicycle usage numbers. The report was published in February this year.

      The report shows that the operator they observed had increased its bicycle fleet size from 8 thousand bicycles to 10 thousand bicycles, of which 14.3% of the bicycles were completely not used over the 9-day period. The remaining bicycles were used less than 2 times everyday on average, and the average cycling duration was less than 30 minutes.

      One of the researchers noted that although the numbers indicate a low utilization rate of shared bicycles, it is difficult to forecast the future numbers and trends of shared bicycle usage as bicycle sharing is still relatively new in Singapore.

      The researcher also mention that besides controlling the operator’s bicycle fleet, other methods like improving infrastructure could be used to increase the shared bicycles usage rate.

      ”Singapore’s weather is hot and the weather is often rainy. If sheltered cycling paths could be built, this may encourage more people to cycle, and make bicycle sharing services more popular.”

      Edited by SG1131L 10 Mar `18, 5:17PM
  • CZT's Avatar
    573 posts since Jun '16
    • So now 2018 we have kampong bahru ter done, seletar package going on smoothly, bkt merah winner announced, new bus routes introduced...

      so now whats left for 2018 is...? 68 (confirmed), 974, new bus models, retiring old ones, newer routes, and any rationalisation? This year is kinda quiet compared to last year and nxt year

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    21,535 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by CZT:

      So now 2018 we have kampong bahru ter done, seletar package going on smoothly, bkt merah winner announced, new bus routes introduced...

      so now whats left for 2018 is...? 68 (confirmed), 974, new bus models, retiring old ones, newer routes, and any rationalisation? This year is kinda quiet compared to last year and nxt year

      974 haven't confirmed when start.2018 you will see more Euro6 DDs and Hybrid buses.2020 begin the bus contract again.

  • Vampire77lim's Avatar
    131 posts since Nov '16
    • 20/03/2018 saw training bus service route from Hougang Ave 2 ,Yio Chu Kang, Serangoon garden way, lor Chuan. To where don’t know 

  • SG1131L's Avatar
    195 posts since Oct '17
    • Things to expect from April to June

      April - Introduction of new bus services 68 and 974.

      May - Completion of re-signaling works on the East-West Line. (Source)

      June - New trains on East-West Line, re-connection of Tuas West Extension with the rest of East-West Line.

      Edited by SG1131L 27 Mar `18, 8:45PM
  • carbikebus's Avatar
    21,535 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by SG1131L:

      Things to expect from April to June

      April - Introduction of new bus services 68 and 974.

      May - Completion of re-signaling works on the East-West Line. (Source)

      June - New trains on East-West Line, re-connection of Tuas West Extension with the rest of East-West Line.

      Hybrid buses I suspect will go to SBST & SMRT.

      Euro6 DDs will go to them first also.

  • SG1131L's Avatar
    195 posts since Oct '17
    • Tomorrow is the last working day of March. If tomorrow still never announce Jurong Region Line, confirm is in Q2 2018, or Q3-Q4. Otherwise, it’s clear that Jurong Region Line is LRT. Cuz Bukit Panjang, Sengkang, Punggol LRT all were not announced, and were only made known when they were about to open. This could be the case for Jurong Region Line, and the reason why we are not hearing anything about the line.

      Edited by SG1131L 29 Mar `18, 5:30AM
  • CZT's Avatar
    573 posts since Jun '16
    • Originally posted by SG1131L:

      Tomorrow is the last working day of March. If tomorrow still never announce Jurong Region Line, confirm is in Q2 2018, or Q3-Q4. Otherwise, it’s clear that Jurong Region Line is LRT. Cuz Bukit Panjang, Sengkang, Punggol LRT all were not announced, and were only made known when they were about to open. This could be the case for Jurong Region Line, and the reason why we are not hearing anything about the line.

      I think it cant be the case... rmb the blueprint they provide? The line is not clearly linear and there are many branching points. This is unseen so far in our MRT/LRT system. And the fact that they call it MRT, I doubt they would change their minds at all. It is the responsibility of LTA to announce the project before they start work, otherwise imagine when the poor residents living nearby the site suddenly see random constructions ongoing, they are going to lodge complains the the government asking them why they never inform them before hand about what unknown project it is going to be.

      Just be patient.

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    21,535 posts since Nov '03
    • Expect SMRT AMDEP fleet back to normal when those B9TL are transferred out to TTS/GAS/SBST

  • SG1131L's Avatar
    195 posts since Oct '17
    • Probable details of Jurong Region Line:

      - 3 lines, without through service.

      1. Jurong Industrial Estate to Choa Chu Kang via Tengah.

      2. Tengah to Haw Par Villa.

      3. Jurong West to NTU.

      evidence: HDB artist impression of Tengah central (featuring two tracks converging to one track), LTA tender calling for JRL studies for three “mainlines”.

      - service tracks expected from depot to line 2 and line 3 to allow for independent operation of all lines, which is crucial during peak period when high frequency is required.

      - that said, all “sub-interchange” stations should have 2 platform levels to allow for all lines to operate independently..

      - elevated, driverless, new signalling system.

      - future extensions expected from Choa Chu Kang, Haw Par Villa and NTU, which would transform the JRL into 3 separate lines.

      - line 1 expected to extend northwards from Choa Chu Kang to Woodlands South and absorb the CRL branch line at Punggol, to become a separate RTS system from Jurong Industrial Estate to Lorong Halus at Pasir Ris.

      - line 2 expected to extend eastwards from Haw Par Villa to Mount Faber, and possibly extend northwards to Seletar, and become a separate RTS system from Tengah to Seletar via Haw Par Villa. (As observed in the 2001 concept plan, a new RTS system is expected to run parallel with the NEL from the city area to Seletar.) New depot expected, but interim depot would be at JRL depot location at Tengah.

      - line 3 expected to extend westwards from NTU to Gul Circle and absorb the proposed EWL Tuas South Extension from Gul Circle to Tuas South, to become a separate RTS system from Tuas South to Jurong West. Dedicated depot expected at CRL Tuas depot location.

      ** the reason for no JRL announcement as yet is probably because JRL has been revamped into 3 separate MRT lines, which would be announced as part of the Land Transport Master Plan this year. And since it’s new lines altogether, they may want to reveal the JRL together with the unveiling of the LTMP.

      - Nonetheless, previously known details of the JRL are expected to remain the same, except now they are also applicable for the 3 new lines likely to originate from the JRL plan. (ie. narrower trains, 4-cars, etc.)

      Edited by SG1131L 21 Apr `18, 5:14PM
  • SMB128B's Avatar
    5,066 posts since May '11
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      Expect SMRT AMDEP fleet back to normal when those B9TL are transferred out to TTS/GAS/SBST

      Dream on.. haha

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    21,535 posts since Nov '03
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