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  • carbikebus's Avatar
    21,224 posts since Nov '03
    • Best is to enforce full day bus lanes and B sign on those heavily jammed areas.

    • Originally posted by dupdup77:

      Hi mr SMB128B, going by what you say, the same goes for Sbs transit, smrt, Go Ahead Singapore. They did nothing to maintain the required frequency for their bus services due to the massive jam along TPE experienced in the evenings during weekdays, causing their frequency to derail from the stated frequencies. 

      So LTA, please do not award all packages to Sbs transit, smrt and go ahead Singapore. 

      Crazy right? What sort of reasoning is this to say the traffic conditions cannot count in?

      What about Go Ahead Singapore service 386 which also keeps underperforming even after several complaints? 386 is also caused by traffic jams around Punggol area (particularly Punggol field stretch). Even 3/83 also affected due to the need to pass by the Punggol field stretch leading to the other exit along Punggol field to TPE/KPE. So why isn’t Go Ahead Singapore being penalized? 

      Morale of the story is to give and take sometimes. No need to be so insistent on fault of company.

      Cheers. Thanks.

      Best to not award all packages to SBST,SMRT & GAS?SMRT lose Bt Batok and majority of Yishun service to TTS & SBST.SBST also wins Seletar and Bukit Merah while GAS only win Loyang leh...Its SBST got the upper hand.

  • dupdup77's Avatar
    3,083 posts since Nov '13
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      Best to not award all packages to SBST,SMRT & GAS?SMRT lose Bt Batok and majority of Yishun service to TTS & SBST.SBST also wins Seletar and Bukit Merah while GAS only win Loyang leh...Its SBST got the upper hand.

      Hi mr carbikebus, what I mean is all companies will sure have some deficiencies. If going by what mr SMB128B uses as yardstick, then die. No companies can be awarded any packages. Cheers. Thanks.

  • lemon1974's Avatar
    9,554 posts since Dec '04
    • Originally posted by dupdup77:

      Hi mr carbikebus, what I mean is all companies will sure have some deficiencies. If going by what mr SMB128B uses as yardstick, then die. No companies can be awarded any packages. Cheers. Thanks.

      if going by that yardstick, it is "NO Company" will want to bid and run the packages....

      then it will be run by LTA.. haha

  • SMB128B's Avatar
    5,019 posts since May '11
    • Originally posted by dupdup77:

      Hi mr SMB128B, going by what you say, the same goes for Sbs transit, smrt, Go Ahead Singapore. They did nothing to maintain the required frequency for their bus services due to the massive jam along TPE experienced in the evenings during weekdays, causing their frequency to derail from the stated frequencies. 

      So LTA, please do not award all packages to Sbs transit, smrt and go ahead Singapore. 

      Crazy right? What sort of reasoning is this to say the traffic conditions cannot count in?

      What about Go Ahead Singapore service 386 which also keeps underperforming even after several complaints? 386 is also caused by traffic jams around Punggol area (particularly Punggol field stretch). Even 3/83 also affected due to the need to pass by the Punggol field stretch leading to the other exit along Punggol field to TPE/KPE. So why isn’t Go Ahead Singapore being penalized? 

      Morale of the story is to give and take sometimes. No need to be so insistent on fault of company.

      Cheers. Thanks.

      You damn sure they didn't? When I took svc 3 most of its buses were on time even during peak. Definitely not as bad as most of SBST's svcs, leave alone the disaster on 24. 

      GAS is one of the better ones out there alr in terms of maintaining stable freq. I will concede the 386 scenario if it is true but when you come down here at Changi, svc 2 never deviates too far from a freq of max 15 mins. 

      If anything, you should check out the vast difference in svcs like 15 and 34 after GAS took over from SBST. SBST used to UNDEROPERATE 15 stretching its freq to 20 mins on Saturdays, despite it being a much needed connection for many residents in Joo Chiat and Tamp west. 34 used to be a bloody bunching svc, now GAS has improved it, though not by very much uh I'll admit 

      Sure enough, I can cut some slack on SBST, maybe they did try to improve the timings with fleet adds on many svcs. But what's the use if they continue to stretch out the freq? Worse still, LTA knowing that timings can be so messed up, couldn't be bothered to help out with the troubled SBST? Maybe adjust the timetable timings, esp with the intro of DDU? Or allow SBST more autonomy over the deployment?

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    21,224 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by lemon1974:

      if going by that yardstick, it is "NO Company" will want to bid and run the packages....

      then it will be run by LTA.. haha

      Indirectly its run by LTA hahaha...Operator propose LTA approves..But again i prefer either a French or German operator over Aussie Tower Transit.UK Go-Ahead seem improved despite the svc 386 saga.They did trial B9TL at edgefield/edgedale plains but the narrow u turn is just too risky.Peak hour jams add more salt to the wound.I personally have drive 386 couple of times.

  • SG1131L's Avatar
    112 posts since Oct '17
  • carbikebus's Avatar
    21,224 posts since Nov '03
    • Comfort Bus Singapore & Stride Singapore should let their shares bought by private shareholders.At least can still use their parent co advertising company like Moove Media and SMRT Media,Win-win for all thus can eliminate GAS & TTS.

      SBST:Jurong West/Bukit Merah/Bishan-TPY/Hougang-Sengkang/Tampines

      Comfort:Bulim/Seletar/Bedok

      SMRT:Woodlands/Clementi/Serangoon-Eunos

      Strides:Loyang/Sembawang-Yishun/CCK-BPJ

  • sgbuses's Avatar
    2,379 posts since Nov '05
    • Originally posted by SMB128B:

      You damn sure they didn't? When I took svc 3 most of its buses were on time even during peak. Definitely not as bad as most of SBST's svcs, leave alone the disaster on 24. 

      GAS is one of the better ones out there alr in terms of maintaining stable freq. I will concede the 386 scenario if it is true but when you come down here at Changi, svc 2 never deviates too far from a freq of max 15 mins. 

      If anything, you should check out the vast difference in svcs like 15 and 34 after GAS took over from SBST. SBST used to UNDEROPERATE 15 stretching its freq to 20 mins on Saturdays, despite it being a much needed connection for many residents in Joo Chiat and Tamp west. 34 used to be a bloody bunching svc, now GAS has improved it, though not by very much uh I'll admit 

      Sure enough, I can cut some slack on SBST, maybe they did try to improve the timings with fleet adds on many svcs. But what's the use if they continue to stretch out the freq? Worse still, LTA knowing that timings can be so messed up, couldn't be bothered to help out with the troubled SBST? Maybe adjust the timetable timings, esp with the intro of DDU? Or allow SBST more autonomy over the deployment?

      The fundamental problem lies with the route design. They used to be designed for maximum catchment at the expense of traveller's time but this does not meet the needs of travellers who are increasingly time poor.

      In such cases, a mere change of operator does not solve the problem.

      New limited stop services 12e and 147e is a good start, but a revamp of the entire route network is sorely needed. The planners know how to create decent express rail replacement routes, but something seems to be holding them back from extending it beyond MRT/LRT replacement periods.

  • TPS Timothy Mok's Avatar
    1,232 posts since Aug '07
    • Originally posted by sgbuses:

      The fundamental problem lies with the route design. They used to be designed for maximum catchment at the expense of traveller's time but this does not meet the needs of travellers who are increasingly time poor.

      In such cases, a mere change of operator does not solve the problem.

      New limited stop services 12e and 147e is a good start, but a revamp of the entire route network is sorely needed. The planners know how to create decent express rail replacement routes, but something seems to be holding them back from extending it beyond MRT/LRT replacement periods.

      12e replace the old 518

      147e replace the old CT28

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    21,224 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by SMB128B:

      You damn sure they didn't? When I took svc 3 most of its buses were on time even during peak. Definitely not as bad as most of SBST's svcs, leave alone the disaster on 24. 

      GAS is one of the better ones out there alr in terms of maintaining stable freq. I will concede the 386 scenario if it is true but when you come down here at Changi, svc 2 never deviates too far from a freq of max 15 mins. 

      If anything, you should check out the vast difference in svcs like 15 and 34 after GAS took over from SBST. SBST used to UNDEROPERATE 15 stretching its freq to 20 mins on Saturdays, despite it being a much needed connection for many residents in Joo Chiat and Tamp west. 34 used to be a bloody bunching svc, now GAS has improved it, though not by very much uh I'll admit 

      Sure enough, I can cut some slack on SBST, maybe they did try to improve the timings with fleet adds on many svcs. But what's the use if they continue to stretch out the freq? Worse still, LTA knowing that timings can be so messed up, couldn't be bothered to help out with the troubled SBST? Maybe adjust the timetable timings, esp with the intro of DDU? Or allow SBST more autonomy over the deployment?

      Svc 3 practice a few downroute trips for split shift BCs,Start from after TPE bus stop towards Tampines to reduce waiting time for commuters at PSR.If I’m not mistaken there is 4 DR trips done by split shift to supplement the already stuck/behind schedule svc 3 from Punggol.34 weekdays already added 1 full day and 2 split shift duties.15 nowadays too pampered..Too many buses.

      SBST on the other hand is the majority here,They have to make use of everything that is available..24 should cut half long time ago.The never ending jam problems always occurs.Best is 24:Eunos ~ Airport and a new service from AMK ~ Bedok.

  • SMB128B's Avatar
    5,019 posts since May '11
    • Originally posted by sgbuses:

      The fundamental problem lies with the route design. They used to be designed for maximum catchment at the expense of traveller's time but this does not meet the needs of travellers who are increasingly time poor.

      In such cases, a mere change of operator does not solve the problem.

      New limited stop services 12e and 147e is a good start, but a revamp of the entire route network is sorely needed. The planners know how to create decent express rail replacement routes, but something seems to be holding them back from extending it beyond MRT/LRT replacement periods.

      If you actually read my posts, that was precisely what I have mentioned in my core explanation..

      And this has also been what I've been saying for YEARS.. sadly LTA seems to only be catching up now, but they have much more to do, and things now are far from optimistic..

    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      Svc 3 practice a few downroute trips for split shift BCs,Start from after TPE bus stop towards Tampines to reduce waiting time for commuters at PSR.If I’m not mistaken there is 4 DR trips done by split shift to supplement the already stuck/behind schedule svc 3 from Punggol.34 weekdays already added 1 full day and 2 split shift duties.15 nowadays too pampered..Too many buses.

      SBST on the other hand is the majority here,They have to make use of everything that is available..24 should cut half long time ago.The never ending jam problems always occurs.Best is 24:Eunos ~ Airport and a new service from AMK ~ Bedok.

      Exactly. 24 rly needs to cut la.. But SBST seems to be content with the present leh

      Truth of the matter is as far as LTA is to blame for the lack of redress to the problem of outdated routes, SBST should not be let go for its lack of initiative. Clear example being 518 — despite the KPE opening as early as 2008 it had to take until 2016 when GAS took over for them to scrap the ECP routing. 

  • TPS Timothy Mok's Avatar
    1,232 posts since Aug '07
    • Originally posted by SMB128B:

      Exactly. 24 rly needs to cut la.. But SBST seems to be content with the present leh

      Truth of the matter is as far as LTA is to blame for the lack of redress to the problem of outdated routes, SBST should not be let go for its lack of initiative. Clear example being 518 — despite the KPE opening as early as 2008 it had to take until 2016 when GAS took over for them to scrap the ECP routing. 

      Don't try to remove service 34 leh. Service 34 should have been extended to Eunos, and let service 24 shorten to Bedok and become double deck.

  • wsy1234's Avatar
    1,671 posts since Aug '07
    • Originally posted by SMB128B:

      You damn sure they didn't? When I took svc 3 most of its buses were on time even during peak. Definitely not as bad as most of SBST's svcs, leave alone the disaster on 24. 

      GAS is one of the better ones out there alr in terms of maintaining stable freq. I will concede the 386 scenario if it is true but when you come down here at Changi, svc 2 never deviates too far from a freq of max 15 mins. 

      If anything, you should check out the vast difference in svcs like 15 and 34 after GAS took over from SBST. SBST used to UNDEROPERATE 15 stretching its freq to 20 mins on Saturdays, despite it being a much needed connection for many residents in Joo Chiat and Tamp west. 34 used to be a bloody bunching svc, now GAS has improved it, though not by very much uh I'll admit 

      Sure enough, I can cut some slack on SBST, maybe they did try to improve the timings with fleet adds on many svcs. But what's the use if they continue to stretch out the freq? Worse still, LTA knowing that timings can be so messed up, couldn't be bothered to help out with the troubled SBST? Maybe adjust the timetable timings, esp with the intro of DDU? Or allow SBST more autonomy over the deployment?

      Traffic Jam problem can be solve by having bus lane full day like the one in the city

    • Originally posted by lemon1974:

      if going by that yardstick, it is "NO Company" will want to bid and run the packages....

      then it will be run by LTA.. haha

      bus will be paint white and blue LTA colour and GST and bus fare will increase due to operation cost.

       

      Edited by wsy1234 19 Apr `18, 10:00AM
  • carbikebus's Avatar
    21,224 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by wsy1234:

      Traffic Jam problem can be solve by having bus lane full day like the one in the city

      Not all areas is possible for that especially when you have only two lanes.Problem with our road design is too many bottleneck that vehicles reluctant to give way to buses.Even the mandatory give way to buses exiting also some motorist bo chup..They should implement 1 demerit point beside fine.

      The problem with most airport svc is too winding,24 & 53 is a good example why they need so many buses.

  • p228's Avatar
    641 posts since Mar '08
    • Originally posted by SMB128B:

      Exactly. 24 rly needs to cut la.. But SBST seems to be content with the present leh

      Truth of the matter is as far as LTA is to blame for the lack of redress to the problem of outdated routes, SBST should not be let go for its lack of initiative. Clear example being 518 — despite the KPE opening as early as 2008 it had to take until 2016 when GAS took over for them to scrap the ECP routing. 

      Now is a different ball game altogether. Operators are paid according to the trips they run, as well as the mileage clocked. The higher mileage, the more $$. Why would SBST want 24 to be cut?

      Cut = loss of revenue

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    21,224 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by p228:

      Now is a different ball game altogether. Operators are paid according to the trips they run, as well as the mileage clocked. The higher mileage, the more $$. Why would SBST want 24 to be cut?

      Cut = loss of revenue

      He meant shortened to somewhere else.

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