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  • CB2883J's Avatar
    396 posts since Sep '15
    • What we know:

      A batch of Euro 6 MAN single deckers has been procured. 12m long, no roof hair attachment.

      • Automatic passenger counting system
      • Passenger information display system - The standard exterior LED EDS has a size increase. There is an additional exterior LCD screen. Interior LED signage is now 2 liner (bigger) and instead of 1 LED signage, there will be 2. There is also an additional interior LCD screen. There will also be 8 interior speakers (16 for DD) and 1 exterior speaker. 
      • Driver anti-fatique system
      • Anti-collision warning
      • IP digital CCTV (as opposed to current analogue CCTV)
      • Blue seat covers
      • 2 wheelchair bays
      • Front following A95 latest deignd but no fog lamp
      • Rear also following A95 design lower half
      Chassis wise
      • Euro 6
      • Automatic headlamps and wipers
      • Automatic kneeling (SBST specification)
      • Additional rear door sensors (SBST specification)
      About 3+ units in STK, regos rumoured to start with SG1749E.
  • TPS Timothy Mok's Avatar
    1,256 posts since Aug '07
  • carbikebus's Avatar
    21,617 posts since Nov '03
  • A22 fan's Avatar
    275 posts since Jul '17
    • Hope that it uses ZF transmission. Better accleration with comfort in distance travelling.

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    21,617 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by A22 fan:

      Hope that it uses ZF transmission. Better accleration with comfort in distance travelling.

      Sadly our LTA already opt for derestrict gearing..Gear 1 and 2 giving less power hence why our SG buses is too jerky.

  • Formususeonly's Avatar
    236 posts since Sep '16
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      Suspect using Voith 4 speed as well.

      LTA stupid is it ? Voith Gearbox makes the engine use more fuel compare to ZF gearbox doing the same speed  . Why would the government want to waste fuel on large number of buses when they can save it ? MAN provides ZF gearbox inside the pricing, getting a voith one means adding money ( this info I got directly from my friend a senior manager for man / STK distribution ) He also said that the reason why government choose to spent more for a more fuel consuming gearbox is speed. The government wants slower accelerating buses so that it ( bus ) can follow the time schedule well because the A22 has the fastest acceleration compare to any buses  So by limiting the torque the A22 will be similar or the same as other buses acceleration rates  

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    21,617 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by Formususeonly:

      LTA stupid is it ? Voith Gearbox makes the engine use more fuel compare to ZF gearbox doing the same speed  . Why would the government want to waste fuel on large number of buses when they can save it ? MAN provides ZF gearbox inside the pricing, getting a voith one means adding money ( this info I got directly from my friend a senior manager for man / STK distribution ) He also said that the reason why government choose to spent more for a more fuel consuming gearbox is speed. The government wants slower accelerating buses so that it ( bus ) can follow the time schedule well because the A22 has the fastest acceleration compare to any buses  So by limiting the torque the A22 will be similar or the same as other buses acceleration rates  

      If Voith gearbox is fuel guzzler then why there’s Voith A22,A24 and why SBST B9TL also got Voith as an option?Even our Citaro also is Voith equipped.SBST and LTA choose Voith because of its simplicity to repair and the cost is much lower than ZF.What is so great about 6 speed when its restricted?

  • Formususeonly's Avatar
    236 posts since Sep '16
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      If Voith gearbox is fuel guzzler then why there’s Voith A22,A24 and why SBST B9TL also got Voith as an option?Even our Citaro also is Voith equipped.SBST and LTA choose Voith because of its simplicity to repair and the cost is much lower than ZF.What is so great about 6 speed when its restricted?

      I meant Voith eat a little bit more fuel than ZF but only  eat A Lot a little of fuel  

      ZF pros - Quieter operation & smoother gear changes but ( cons ) more expensive to maintaindue to its complexity & number gears it has.

      Voith Pros - Simpler design compare to its ZF counterpart & holds down more torque at 1st gear & relatively easier to repair ( less parts ) but ( cons ) it's more noisier then ZF, & slower rate of up shift. 

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    21,617 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by Formususeonly:

      I meant Voith eat a little bit more fuel than ZF but only  eat A Lot a little of fuel  

      ZF pros - Quieter operation & smoother gear changes but ( cons ) more expensive to maintaindue to its complexity & number gears it has.

      Voith Pros - Simpler design compare to its ZF counterpart & holds down more torque at 1st gear & relatively easier to repair ( less parts ) but ( cons ) it's more noisier then ZF, & slower rate of up shift. 

      It’s all up to the maintenance..Even ZF rattling change gear abruptly.I knew from tons of experience of driving buses.

  • Formususeonly's Avatar
    236 posts since Sep '16
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      It’s all up to the maintenance..Even ZF rattling change gear abruptly.I knew from tons of experience of driving buses.

      Yep  I would agree on maintenance  Without one a expensive gearbox will be shitty  

  • ND323F's Avatar
    85 posts since Mar '17
    • Originally posted by Formususeonly:

      LTA stupid is it ? Voith Gearbox makes the engine use more fuel compare to ZF gearbox doing the same speed  . Why would the government want to waste fuel on large number of buses when they can save it ? MAN provides ZF gearbox inside the pricing, getting a voith one means adding money ( this info I got directly from my friend a senior manager for man / STK distribution ) He also said that the reason why government choose to spent more for a more fuel consuming gearbox is speed. The government wants slower accelerating buses so that it ( bus ) can follow the time schedule well because the A22 has the fastest acceleration compare to any buses  So by limiting the torque the A22 will be similar or the same as other buses acceleration rates  

      what rubbish? who is your STK source?

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    21,617 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by Formususeonly:

      LTA stupid is it ? Voith Gearbox makes the engine use more fuel compare to ZF gearbox doing the same speed  . Why would the government want to waste fuel on large number of buses when they can save it ? MAN provides ZF gearbox inside the pricing, getting a voith one means adding money ( this info I got directly from my friend a senior manager for man / STK distribution ) He also said that the reason why government choose to spent more for a more fuel consuming gearbox is speed. The government wants slower accelerating buses so that it ( bus ) can follow the time schedule well because the A22 has the fastest acceleration compare to any buses  So by limiting the torque the A22 will be similar or the same as other buses acceleration rates  

      That’s not the reason la,Even with super slow Voith Citaro/B9TL BCs can also ahead of schedule.Its for safety purpose when you have low torque restriction.Pax won’t easily lose balance/fall should the BCs floor the accelerator and also less chance of hitting front vehicle upon moving.

  • CB2883J's Avatar
    396 posts since Sep '15
    • Heard got new A95 at stk. Also no foglights like new A22. Anyway, anyone has updates on the rumoured new batch of A24?

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    21,617 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by CB2883J:

      Heard got new A95 at stk. Also no foglights like new A22. Anyway, anyone has updates on the rumoured new batch of A24?

      Cut cost...Later on fog lights other road users complain too bright.Remember when Scania K230 was new?The horn is super loud then it takes a few kaypoh road users to complain so greedy SBST change the horn to mickey mouse sound...

  • ND323F's Avatar
    85 posts since Mar '17
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      Cut cost...Later on fog lights other road users complain too bright.Remember when Scania K230 was new?The horn is super loud then it takes a few kaypoh road users to complain so greedy SBST change the horn to mickey mouse sound...

      Have you ever since before those fog lights being used? some how i dont even think it is working.

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    21,617 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by ND323F:

      Have you ever since before those fog lights being used? some how i dont even think it is working.

      Spotted a few buses with working fog lights

  • wsy1234's Avatar
    1,681 posts since Aug '07
  • Marvel68's Avatar
    328 posts since Oct '14
    • Originally posted by wsy1234:

      New 

      Citaro is coming 200 of them 

      Citaro C2 Euro VI? Spotted at C&C or based on hearsay?

  • sgbuses's Avatar
    2,406 posts since Nov '05
    • Originally posted by wsy1234:

      New 

      Citaro is coming 200 of them 

      Which bus lobbyist said this?

  • SMB128B's Avatar
    5,068 posts since May '11
    • Originally posted by wsy1234:

      New 

      Citaro is coming 200 of them 

      Cannot be lah

      Citaro new spec not cheap ah

      And 2008 model cmi coz Euro V

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    21,617 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by wsy1234:

      New 

      Citaro is coming 200 of them 

      I guess you saw it At Busesingapore right?Its just a hoax la dey..

      The CBU Citaro C2 isn’t that cheap even with 7.7L engine.

  • ND323F's Avatar
    85 posts since Mar '17
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      Spotted a few buses with working fog lights

      Is it? That's weird, because there's no switch to turn on fog lights.

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    21,617 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by ND323F:

      Is it? That's weird, because there's no switch to turn on fog lights.

      B3 one chappalang also,Steering wheel got 2 design.Power Switch/start button also two type..

    • Most probably if they turn to normal beam then fog lights auto on,if low beam then its off

      BTW sorry i mix fog lights with the LED strips on B2...Yes the fog light is just cosmetic look only.B3 got integrated led strobe light which is more than enough..Singapore is too bright la...Useless to on fog lights also

      Edited by carbikebus 04 May `18, 11:17PM
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