http://nds1.sgforums.com/forums/14/posts en-US 60 <p>hi all. Same here, i've encountered the same problem as all of u. my temp girl fax the thing back after they called to said that they are collating updated addresses, she fax back as we just move to a new place last year.</p> <p>So far, i did try to respond to them, but after the Yellow Pages apology, they kept pressing for payment. How can i ad in this type of directory!</p> <p>Their so call manager is absolutely non-cooperative. Well i decide to ignore all their reminders but they kept sending and sending. Yesterday just receive another, threatening legal suit.</p> <p>Any of you got any legal action this Biz page fella? In fact i wanted to make a CAD or CASE reports, but seeing from the previous posts, the authorities doesn't seems to bother.</p> <p>Any advises from you guys? I will definitely support if require my help to nail these money grubbers</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:42:57 +0800 nds1.sgforums.com:14:288757:8352252 markaroni http://nds1.sgforums.com/forums/14/topics/288757 <p>Having&nbsp;read some posts,&nbsp;I found out that &nbsp;many of the network marketers are deploying wrong tactics of approach. What a network marketing company has in value is not how much an individual can earn per month, neither is it their products. What's so valuable is their Education.</p> <p>A good network marketing company will stress on their education system compared to any other thing else.&nbsp;Because apart from earning money, network marketing is a business for people who like&nbsp;helping other people.</p> <p>Being a network marketer myself, I found that many of the new network marketers are injected with a corrupted mindset of network marketing. Instead of uplines teaching them how to face their fears, overcome and grow from it, new network marketers are educated in the traditional business way.</p> <p>In network marketing, people are encouraged to try, to fail and to learn from their mistakes and grow. The current trend is so money orientated that the core values of network marketing have since been forgotten.</p> <p>Nowadays, most uplines are so concerned with their own success that they want their downlines to push sales, which I believe is a total wrong mindset.&nbsp;In network marketing, it is often heard and said that the first 3&nbsp;years in this industry is the hardest to earn because this 3 years &nbsp;is used to train, educate and develop ourselves. However, what I see now is new network marketers forced to push sales. When their sales are not good, they get a good lashing from their uplines. This was what happened to a friend who recently joined a network marketing company.</p> <p>No doubt sales is the number 1 skill in the world of business, but not when your upline is forcing you to sell so that he can succeed.</p> <p>For those who had read "The Business School for people who like helping people" by Mr. Robert Kiyosaki, you'd understand what I mean.</p> <p>Stressing on how much you can earn in a month is only a possibility. Yes, it is possible to earn a 5 digit income per month in network marketing and no doubt about that. However I will stress again that it is only a possibility because not everyone who enter this industry can make that amount of money.</p> <p>Another thing to add is that network marketing belongs to the Business quadrant in&nbsp;the Cashflow Quadrant, for the many who know the ESBI. We are training to become entrepreneurs in network marketing, not some gangsters. I've seen in posts some network marketers&nbsp;who are no different from gangsters. With a&nbsp;vulgar and offensive attitude,&nbsp;how can&nbsp;one learn to do business?&nbsp;</p> <p>Humans are made to err, and to admit and&nbsp;grow from mistakes is what's important. Not putting your pride up front and get all offensive and vulgar to protect your companies.&nbsp;</p> <p>In closing, network marketing is an industry for people who genuinely like to help others, not an industry for people who just want to earn a lot of money in a month. Some people are just bounded to be in the rat race of life because they are not willing to learn and let their pride blind them. That's why I must say network marketing is not for each and everyone, depending on each individual. Otherwise, 95% of the world will not be in the E and S quadrant.</p> <p>I have seen the goodness and badness of network marketing but I chose network marketing as my path in life because it has really changed me but yet disappointed to see the many wrongs network marketers have committed and not willing to humby accept their mistakes.</p> <p>Let me state,I come in peace. I will not disclose any names of the network marketing companies I belong to, been to or companies I don't like to avoid poisoning the minds of fellow network marketers. I am here just to point out the wrongs I see in the world of network marketing.</p> <p>I apologize for this lengthy post and I do not care for any flames because I have said what I wanted to say and I hope fellow network marketers can learn from their mistakes.</p> Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:50:04 +0800 nds1.sgforums.com:14:328637:8348849 EdwinP2B http://nds1.sgforums.com/forums/14/topics/328637 <p>I still got a few 5 litres tub of Eucalyptus and Green Tea oils. Contact 97483857 if you are keen.</p> Sat, 23 Aug 2008 09:17:12 +0800 nds1.sgforums.com:14:177899:8338079 SuperHappy http://nds1.sgforums.com/forums/14/topics/177899 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by elementalangel:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>durai met countless lawsuits. argument fueled by newspapers and such. even nkf case could not be considered overnight.</p> <p>so what u guys are trying to say is that VE has been in a major incident which caused its reputation to be lost overnight? neglecting the fact about what the agents are doing to this company right now?</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>The agents resort to hard selling and "retaining" people in the office, not letting them go off. It's the agent's fault, and don't blame the media/forum posters/etc for the state VE is in now.</p> <p>Lets say the company/organisation is 100% clear, transparent, ethical and honest. No one would say bad about the tactics. BUT if some ppl start tricking others down, use lowly tactics, etc don't say "our reputation is so bad cos some of them say bad things abt us". Ultimately, why do ppl say bad things abt the organisation, because simply, there IS something bad abt the operation procedures. Better rectify it.</p> Sat, 23 Aug 2008 00:21:50 +0800 nds1.sgforums.com:14:213780:8337699 redstone http://nds1.sgforums.com/forums/14/topics/213780 <p>There is ppl trying to sue them. Once police investigated FGN when they are at Boon Keng's office(formal FGN office). Don be afraid of them, they are just peanuts. You can&nbsp;msg me @&nbsp;9642 3388&nbsp;to know more. I&nbsp;may able to assist you.&nbsp;Just don't pick any call from FGN. Don't throw any of the stuff&nbsp;being force sell to u&nbsp;from FGN.</p> <p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</p> Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:03:22 +0800 nds1.sgforums.com:14:177899:8334635 Mig 29 http://nds1.sgforums.com/forums/14/topics/177899 <p>MLM - the focus is on the scheme.</p> <p>real marketing, including Internet marketing - the focus is on the product itslef.</p> Thu, 21 Aug 2008 18:21:44 +0800 nds1.sgforums.com:14:320685:8333827 3Princess http://nds1.sgforums.com/forums/14/topics/320685 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by eagle:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>i think it's also good for you to set up ebay shop to sell as well. It can be an alternative webshop to complement the one you are planning to set up.</p> <p>but then hor, I don't believe these magnetic stuff for health -.-"<br /> To me, these are for the lazy. One have to eat well, sleep well, and be active. If it's so useful, we will see Olympic atheletes using it</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>duno leh.. but ebay shops kinda expensive to maintain.. tinking of selling through site dirrect</p> Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:30:14 +0800 nds1.sgforums.com:14:213780:8332807 elementalangel http://nds1.sgforums.com/forums/14/topics/213780 <p>Just out of curiousity... what are you sueing them for?&nbsp; =)</p> Thu, 21 Aug 2008 10:41:45 +0800 nds1.sgforums.com:14:266098:8332341 Passive Income1 http://nds1.sgforums.com/forums/14/topics/266098 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by elementalangel:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>currently we have air purifyers.</p> <p>magnetic mattress pads</p> <p>magnetic bracelets</p> <p>germanium accessories.</p> <p>thats all. we decided that taking in water purifyers wasn't worth it</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>i think it's also good for you to set up ebay shop to sell as well. It can be an alternative webshop to complement the one you are planning to set up.</p> <p>but then hor, I don't believe these magnetic stuff for health -.-"<br /> To me, these are for the lazy. One have to eat well, sleep well, and be active. If it's so useful, we will see Olympic atheletes using it</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> Thu, 21 Aug 2008 08:12:15 +0800 nds1.sgforums.com:14:213780:8332034 eagle http://nds1.sgforums.com/forums/14/topics/213780 <p>durai met countless lawsuits. argument fueled by newspapers and such. even nkf case could not be considered overnight.</p> <p>so what u guys are trying to say is that VE has been in a major incident which caused its reputation to be lost overnight? neglecting the fact about what the agents are doing to this company right now?</p> Thu, 21 Aug 2008 07:07:24 +0800 nds1.sgforums.com:14:213780:8332019 elementalangel http://nds1.sgforums.com/forums/14/topics/213780 <p>Reputation can be shattered overnight. Example? NKF case. Unless of cos some bosses are so good at self glorification that no matter what happens to them, there'll still be agents following him and to the extent of calling him Father.</p> Thu, 21 Aug 2008 03:38:24 +0800 nds1.sgforums.com:14:213780:8331983 redstone http://nds1.sgforums.com/forums/14/topics/213780 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by the_fallen:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>watch your usage of words CAREFULLY!!</p> <p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style= "color: #ff0000;">reputation CAN BE LOSTED OVERNIGHT/ over a single (major) incident which you commit.</span></span></p> <p>don't quote my phase and add in your own phase claiming parts of it which i've made..</p> <p>that's a mistake which a lot of people commit.</p> <p>if you don't understand what it means..just ask and clarify..it's harmless..</p> <p>it's better verify than to act like you know what you're posting.</p> <p>in short: don't put your words into my mouth..</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>&nbsp;i am not putting words in your mouth. those words come out from me.</p> <p>I know nothing can smear the reputation of a very good company overnight.</p> <p>u said that reputation canot be gained overnight right?</p> <p>i was trying to say it would work vice versa as well</p> <p>the only reason why VE is in this state is because of those agents out there who destroyed its name.</p> Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:04:08 +0800 nds1.sgforums.com:14:213780:8330787 elementalangel http://nds1.sgforums.com/forums/14/topics/213780 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by elementalangel:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p><strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">reputation canot be destroyed overnight as well..</span></strong> its made bit by bit like u said. many dishonest agents made VE in this state now..</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>watch your usage of words CAREFULLY!!</p> <p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style= "color: #ff0000;">reputation CAN BE LOSTED OVERNIGHT/ over a single (major) incident which you commit.</span></span></p> <p>don't quote my phase and add in your own phase claiming parts of it which i've made..</p> <p>that's a mistake which a lot of people commit.</p> <p>if you don't understand what it means..just ask and clarify..it's harmless..</p> <p>it's better verify than to act like you know what you're posting.</p> <p>in short: don't put your words into my mouth..</p> Wed, 20 Aug 2008 19:31:36 +0800 nds1.sgforums.com:14:213780:8330689 the_fallen http://nds1.sgforums.com/forums/14/topics/213780 <p>Hi all, I was once Avita or FGN distributor too.<br /> Actually I jz came out from Avita FGN 2 months ago.</p> <p>I can briefly tell u wat happen there recently n their new address.<br /> [B]Jln Bukit Merah E-centre 5th floor[/B]<br /> I knew that their ppl of joining are decreasing and many of my friends ard also left..which most of us are from NTU</p> <p>May I know if any of u wan to report police about FGN cheat?<br /> I have thought about that but dunno if it's work.<br /> However, I rmb that FGN ppl told us they hav Lee&amp;Lee lawyers behind.<br /> I wonder anyone sue FGN before n how's the result.<br /> Really dun hope tat this scam harm ppl anymore.<br /> Hope that any of u can reply me n let me know</p> Wed, 20 Aug 2008 02:28:42 +0800 nds1.sgforums.com:14:177899:8329117 keeponmylife http://nds1.sgforums.com/forums/14/topics/177899 <p>Hi all, I was once Avita or FGN distributor too.<br /> Actually I jz came out from Avita FGN 2 months ago.</p> <p>I can briefly tell u wat happen there recently n their new address.<br /> [B]Jln Bukit Merah E-centre 5th floor[/B]<br /> I knew that their ppl of joining are decreasing and many of my friends ard also left..which most of us are from NTU</p> <p>May I know if any of u wan to report police about FGN cheat?<br /> I have thought about that but dunno if it's work.<br /> However, I rmb that FGN ppl told us they hav Lee&amp;Lee lawyers behind.<br /> I wonder anyone sue FGN before n how's the result.<br /> Really dun hope tat this scam harm ppl anymore.<br /> Hope that any of u can reply me n let me know</p> Wed, 20 Aug 2008 02:22:07 +0800 nds1.sgforums.com:14:266098:8329114 keeponmylife http://nds1.sgforums.com/forums/14/topics/266098 <p>Hi , er for the record i am an LFI agent don worry im not gonna psycho you to go but i would like to clarify some stuff for u.</p> <p>IF ure going for the whole package thats 2.4k( comes with their supplements,accupuncture, in body analysis)</p> <p>accupunture treatment alone is only 800 bucks</p> <p>money back is guaranteed as told by me so i don think you have got anything to lose.Flowerpod reviews are rather positive larhs =))</p> <p>hope these are suffice for you, anything else you need to know just ask me illl try to help</p> Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:00:23 +0800 nds1.sgforums.com:14:327019:8318603 Guard9 http://nds1.sgforums.com/forums/14/topics/327019 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by the_fallen:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>i wouldn't say it as reputation but rather respect..</p> <p>once you learn to respect the choices that various different people make than will you earn other people's respect..</p> <p>only when you earn the respect from others..than only will you slowly build up your own reputation be it creditable or un-creditable...</p> <p>it's part of the process..do note that reputation can't be built overnight..it's made up a little bit by bit..</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>reputation canot be destroyed overnight as well.. its made bit by bit like u said. many dishonest agents made VE in this state now..</p> Sat, 16 Aug 2008 01:27:25 +0800 nds1.sgforums.com:14:213780:8317985 elementalangel http://nds1.sgforums.com/forums/14/topics/213780 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by redstone:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>Ah I get your stand now. I agree at times we must draw the line. I've seen my share of false friendliness at enyouth. Better than falsifying friendships to build trust just to earn money from them.</p> <p>Change your attitude. I might suggest. Don't disgrace your company. Every salesperson is an embassador to his/her company. Calling ppl loser will only adversly affect your reputation as someone who's proud and looks down on those who don't "succeed". to the point of calling them loser.&nbsp; Will this change anything? If you stop calling people such, <strong><span style= "color: #ff6600;">your reputation would be better.</span></strong> Of cos its your personal choice I cant stop you.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>i wouldn't say it as reputation but rather respect..</p> <p>once you learn to respect the choices that various different people make than will you earn other people's respect..</p> <p>only when you earn the respect from others..than only will you slowly build up your own reputation be it creditable or un-creditable...</p> <p>it's part of the process..do note that reputation can't be built overnight..it's made up a little bit by bit..</p> Sat, 16 Aug 2008 00:15:22 +0800 nds1.sgforums.com:14:213780:8317866 the_fallen http://nds1.sgforums.com/forums/14/topics/213780 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by White_SoulReaper:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>Oh well, that's just your opinion...</p> <p>Anyways, I am not 'other' agents... So dont associate me with them... If they want to preach about being friends bla bla bla... Then its them, not me... I made it clear to my prospects that I am not going to be their good/best friend whatsoever... They are just my business associates... That's all.... If they want to be friends, than it's outside of VE....</p> <p>If they quit for their own passion and dreams then so be it... I call them loser... So? Does it change anything? No... So why dwell so much on it?</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>Ah I get your stand now. I agree at times we must draw the line. I've seen my share of false friendliness at enyouth. Better than falsifying friendships to build trust just to earn money from them.</p> <p>Change your attitude. I might suggest. Don't disgrace your company. Every salesperson is an embassador to his/her company. Calling ppl loser will only adversly affect your reputation as someone who's proud and looks down on those who don't "succeed". to the point of calling them loser.&nbsp; Will this change anything? If you stop calling people such, your reputation would be better. Of cos its your personal choice I cant stop you.</p> Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:56:14 +0800 nds1.sgforums.com:14:213780:8317679 redstone http://nds1.sgforums.com/forums/14/topics/213780 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by eagle: what things u selling</div> <div class="quote_body"></div> </blockquote> <p>currently we have air purifyers.</p> <p>magnetic mattress pads</p> <p>magnetic bracelets</p> <p>germanium accessories.</p> <p>thats all. we decided that taking in water purifyers wasn't worth it</p> Wed, 13 Aug 2008 22:28:45 +0800 nds1.sgforums.com:14:213780:8312087 elementalangel http://nds1.sgforums.com/forums/14/topics/213780 <p>I received a warning letter from abdpl on 12aug08, with a different address this time as usual..threatening my company to pay up or face some sort of legal actions by them..actually i haven't heard from them since may 2007..now they are back..tried to argue with them...manage to settle for cancellation fee of 850..but still i feel its unreasonable..i rather spend company money on other necessities..not this...</p> Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:15:56 +0800 nds1.sgforums.com:14:288757:8311736 pixielynn http://nds1.sgforums.com/forums/14/topics/288757 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by CUM ON MY FACE:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>Angmoh dude in suit and tie = CEO</p> <p>SG dud in suit and tie = MLM</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>haha..</p> <p>nice one..</p> <p>but don't forget..</p> <p>there are still some bad insurance agents out there who's also like mlm agents lor..</p> <p>these days..at least financial agents are better..at least not my friend..</p> Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:08:00 +0800 nds1.sgforums.com:14:324502:8309390 the_fallen http://nds1.sgforums.com/forums/14/topics/324502 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by eagle:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>what things u selling</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>if their company's direction is still in tune with what they have set previously like couple of years back..</p> <p>than it should be along the line of dealing with natural elements..</p> <p>previously they got the clar star filtration system, toothpaste, bottle water capsules etc..</p> <p>than the new and improved air system..design a bit like PS2 (personal opinion when i first saw it when it just came out la)</p> <p>new products..not so sure..</p> <p>it has being quite some time since i last got updates by going to the company through 3rd party since my fren don't work there anymore liao..</p> Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:04:52 +0800 nds1.sgforums.com:14:213780:8309384 the_fallen http://nds1.sgforums.com/forums/14/topics/213780 <p>Mark34 mj &gt;&gt;</p> <p>there are some ways to make it have good reputation..</p> <p>i'm in the planning stage..still working on it..</p> <p>there are other ways which others have taken to clarify and purify the mlm stigma previously already..just that not many people know about the steps only..</p> Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:58:51 +0800 nds1.sgforums.com:14:213780:8309373 the_fallen http://nds1.sgforums.com/forums/14/topics/213780 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by elementalangel:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>guys great news. the goods would be arriving at late sept. will start to do up the website. if anyone knows how to design a webpage please email me at timothytang@e-healthmart.com</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>what things u selling</p> Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:17:37 +0800 nds1.sgforums.com:14:213780:8309007 eagle http://nds1.sgforums.com/forums/14/topics/213780