Jogye Order says Korean government of favoring Christianity replied by sanath @ Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:11:16 +0800

sanath — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:11:16 +0800

Originally posted by Beyond Religion:

Yes... I remembered that too. Those were dark times. I think there was even an evangelical program in the radios.. I especially recall a particular piece of evangelical material, a car sticker (with English and Chinese versions) depicting someone proudly proclaiming that "I've Found it!"

You seem to grow up in the same era as me... Wonder if you have come across that as well?

We in Singapore are more fortunate than the Koreans, for the highest echelons of PAP (the Lee's and GCT) are staunchly secular, even though at one time Christians made up about 70% of the ruling PAP...

No such luck with South Korea, their very top man seemed inclined to turn Korea into a Christian state.

I think, that's because our Constitution separates Religion & State, and the government's call to show respect between different religions is something worth.

The evangelical programmes on radio were done since Colonial times, ironically, it was when Buddhists wanted to have a similar programme that it was stopped altogether. And, from an insider's mouth, don't know if you all remember "Religious Knowledge" that was outdone more than a decade ago? It's said that the Christians wanted to use it to spread Christianity through Bible Studies but the more/most popular subject was "Buddhist Studies" (which could be used as an 'O'-level subject grade!), which added to the number of Buddhists increasing during those few years, so the programme was scrapped too! Unfortunately, with "BS" stopped, the young became less informed on Buddhism (again!) Heard that Manjusri still holds it though, but it cannot be used as an 'O'-level subject anymore.

Jogye Order says Korean government of favoring Christianity replied by sanath @ Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:04:10 +0800

sanath — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:04:10 +0800

Here's a write-up in one of the Korean English papers:

South Korea: Religious misunderstandings must be resolved

Chosun Ilbo, Aug.28, 2008

Seoul, South Korea -- Around 200,000 Buddhist monks and laypeople rallied in downtown Seoul on Wednesday protesting against what they said was religious bias and constitutional infringement by the Lee Myung-bak administration. Police estimated 60,000 Buddhists took part in the rally in front of City Hall.

<< Tens of thousands of South Koreans, including 7,000 monks, gathered at City Hall in Seoul to protest against what they say is a pro-Christian bias in President Lee Myung-bak's government. BBC picture

The protesters issued a resolution saying a series of expressions of religious bias by public servants in the administration and President Lee Myung-bak’s tacit tolerance of such practices have undermined national harmony and the Constitution, which stipulates the prevention of religious discrimination and the separation of government and religion. They called on the president to break down the walls separating religious, social and regional groups and lead them to unity.

A survey by the National Statistical Office in 2005 showed that 24.97 million Koreans or 52.8 percent of the population adhered to a particular religion. There were 10.72 million Buddhists, 8.61 million Protestants and 5.14 million Catholics. There were also Won Buddhists and followers of “Chondogyo” as well as Confucians. It is simply a shame to see members of our largest religious group having to hold such a protest rally in the middle of the capital.

In June and August, a computerized public transport information system operated by the Ministry of Land, Transport and Maritime Affairs and a digital map created by the Ministry of Education and Science omitted information on Buddhist temples. The same company was responsible for making both programs.

In March, it appointed as its vice president a person who had served as a senior advisor to the presidential Transition Committee. Buddhists not surprisingly raised suspicions of favoritism as this company went on to win two more large-scale map projects form the government, even after the Buddhist temple issue had created controversy.

The poster advertising one sermon held by a large Protestant church in June to convert police officers showed Police Commissioner Eo Cheong-soo standing side by side with the pastor of that church. It was placed on all notice boards at police stations across the country. There are more incidents that have angered Buddhists.

Religious tolerance is prized in South Korea. Buddhism is the oldest religion but officials say Christians make up about 29% of the population compared to the Buddhists' 23%.. BBC picture >>

The government must set up a team to investigate exactly what triggered the anger among Buddhists. If such acts were intentional, then the people involved should be punished, and if they were unintentional, they should be clearly explained and measures taken to prevent them from happening again.

On Monday, President Lee ordered public officials to be careful not to damage “religious harmony.” Ahead of the rally, Buddhists said they hoped the gathering, which aimed at voicing hope of an end to religious division and a beginning of unity, would not end up becoming a gathering to sever ties with the Lee administration. Countries around the world suffering from endless strife and violent clashes between different religious groups are said to be envious of our country, where so many different religions coexist without problems.

To preserve this intangible asset of our society, the government must waste no time to listen to the voices of the Buddhist community, rectifying what needs to be rectified and resolving any misunderstandings. Buddhists, too, should consider what the Korean public is worried about at this moment.

Very good articles on mental activities replied by An Eternal Now @ Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:38:32 +0800

An Eternal Now — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:38:32 +0800

Originally posted by Thusness:

The 'clear light' is the 'luminosity'. In actuality there is no 'Emptiness' to be cognized beyond concepts for 'Emptiness' is just a 'raft' that exist only in conceptuality. The purpose is to negate the dualistic and inherent views so that the true nature that is beyond the four extremes can be correctly intuit. When the mind is still deeply rooted in seeing things dualitically and inherently, it cannot know what is the true meaning of 'non-conceptuality', 'non-abiding'

'no-self' and so on. Therefore 'Emptiness nature' is taught but in essence it is pathless.

In actual practice there is no 'the pathless path' but when seen by a dualistic mind, there appears to be a 'truly existing pathless path' to be followed. This is similar to the senario when someone remark that 'everything changes' and we asked 'what about change?'. The dualistic and inherent mind is quick to objectify and is unable to 'understand' beyond its own dualistic/inherent framework. When a mind is deeply rooted in seeing things dualistically/inherently, whatever experiences is distorted due to story telling.

Whatever mental activity that is 'this' or 'that' is within the dualistic/inherent framework. Whatever arising phenomena be it thought, emotion, forms and so on are already the Luminosity itself when without the story telling. Everything 'already is' and is the One Reality but because of story there appears to be a 'separation' and when 'Emptiness' becomes a story, it fails to serve as the antedote for our dualistic/inherent views.

Thus only for the purpose of communication the above quote is written that way; there is only 'Emptiness' to be cognized by a dualistic/inherent mind, no 'Emptiness' to be cognized in true luminosity.

Just a sharing. :)

THE RAFT SIMILE BY BUDDHA:

"Bhikkkhus, this view, so clean and pure, if you covet, fondle, treasure and take pride in it do you know this Teaching comparable to a raft, taught for the purpose of giving up and not for the purpose of holding? No, venerable sir. Bhikkhus, this view of yours so clean and pure, do not covet, fondle, treasure and take pride in it. Do you know this Teaching comparable to a raft, taught for the purpose of giving up and not for the purpose of holding? Yes, venerable sir."

- Mahatanhasankhaya Sutta

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"Moreover, these sentient beings must also have discarded all
arbitrary notions of a personal self, other personalities, living
beings, and a universal self. Otherwise their minds would
inevitably grasp after such relative conceptions. Furthermore,
these sentient beings must have already discarded all arbitrary
notions of the non-existence of a personal self, other
personalities, living beings, and a universal self. Otherwise,
their minds would still be grasping at such notions. Therefore
everyone who seeks total enlightenment should discard not only
conceptions of their own selfhood, other selves, living beings,
and a universal self, but they should also discard all notions of
the non-existence of such conceptions.

When the well-traveled one, in teaching, uses conceptions
and ideas, people should remember the unreality of all such
concepts and ideas. They should recall that the well-traveled
one, in teaching spiritual truths, always uses such notions in
the way that a raft is used to cross a river. The raft is of no
more use when the river has been crossed, and should be
discarded. So these arbitrary conceptions of and about spiritual
things should be given us as one attains enlightenment. How much
more should one give up conceptions of non-existent things?"

~ Diamond Sutra

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"Suppose that a man, in the course of traveling along a path, were to come to a great expanse of water, with the near shore dubious & risky, the further shore secure & free from risk, but with neither a ferryboat nor a bridge going from this shore to the other. The thought would occur to him, 'Here is this great expanse of water, with the near shore dubious & risky, the further shore secure & free from risk, but with neither a ferryboat nor a bridge going from this shore to the other. What if I were to gather grass, twigs, branches, & leaves and, having bound them together to make a raft, were to cross over to safety on the other shore in dependence on the raft, making an effort with my hands & feet?' Then the man, having gathered grass, twigs, branches, & leaves, having bound them together to make a raft, would cross over to safety on the other shore in dependence on the raft, making an effort with his hands & feet. Having crossed over to the further shore, he might think, "How useful this raft has been to me! For it was in dependence on this raft that, making an effort with my hands & feet, I have crossed over to safety on the further shore. Why don't I, having hoisted it on my head or carrying on my back, go wherever I like?" What do you think, monks: would the man, in doing that, be doing what should be done with the raft?"

"No, lord."

"And what should the man do in order to be doing what should be done with the raft? There is the case where the man, having crossed over, would think, 'How useful this raft has been to me! For it was in dependence on this raft that, making an effort with my hands & feet, I have crossed over to safety on the further shore. Why don't I, having dragged it on dry land or sinking it in the water, go wherever I like?' In doing this, he would be doing what should be done with the raft. Even so monks, I have taught you the Dhamma like a raft, for the purpose of crossing over, not for the purpose of holding onto. Knowing the Dhamma to be like a raft, you should let go even of [skillful] qualities, to say nothing of those that are not."

~ Alagaddupama Sutta

元音老人's videos replied by sinweiy @ Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:13:03 +0800

sinweiy — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:13:03 +0800

Originally posted by An Eternal Now:

Rainbow Body is actually not an entity or form:

i know, hence the quotation marks(" "). actually the statement not i say... it's 元音老人's saying about three four times..

what do u think 元音老人mean when he say Rainbow Body is "宇宙的一个游魂 wandering spirit in the universe"?

Natural State manifests as a Rainbow Body, the real Rupakaya.

i find this statement more to my interest. Rupakaya, real body of form.

Svabhavikakaya

the integration of all three kaya

avikaravajrakaya

Dharmakaya (chos sku).

The first of the Three Kayas, which is devoid of constructs, and space-like as this nature of all things. The basic and all-pervasive nature of all phenomena. Dharmakaya also is designated as the 'body' of enlightened qualities. Dharmakaya should be understood individually according to ground, path and fruition. [RY]

The kayas: Various aspects or states of buddhahood. One recognizes two, three, four, or five kayas.

Two Kayas: dharmakaya, the absolute body, and rupakaya, the body of form.

Three kayas: the dharmakaya, or absolute body; the sambhogakaya, or body of divine enjoyment; and the nirmanakaya, or manifested body. These correspond to the mind, speech, and body of an enlightened buddha and are expressed as the five wisdoms.

Four Kayas: the svabhavikakaya, or essential body, is to be added to the three kayas and represents their inseparability (dbyer med).

Five kayas: to the three kayas one adds the avikaravajrakaya, the "unchanging vajra body," and the abhisambodhikaya, "body of total enlightenment." Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche

Jogye Order says Korean government of favoring Christianity replied by Beyond Religion @ Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:06:54 +0800

Beyond Religion — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:06:54 +0800

Originally posted by cycle:

Yah, not easy...

Actually it's kind of a deja vu to me. I mean I remember in the early 80s in Singapore, many of us including the Malaysians, had the feelings that Singapore was a Christian nation too. Many temples ( taoist and buddist) were pulled down for various reasons while it seem that, or many felt that more churches were built instead. And that time many christains were very active in the community centers or RCs as well. At least I myself felt that way...

And if I would to recall correctly, it was reported in the ST many years ago( early 90s?) that more than 50%( or almost 70%) of the members were Christians in PAP. And understandably, more doubts and uneasiness were cast upon the ruling party whenever something sensitive towards traditional culture or religions issues were involved. It was definitely unhealthy.

Yes... I remembered that too. Those were dark times. I think there was even an evangelical program in the radios.. I especially recall a particular piece of evangelical material, a car sticker (with English and Chinese versions) depicting someone proudly proclaiming that "I've Found it!"

You seem to grow up in the same era as me... Wonder if you have come across that as well?

We in Singapore are more fortunate than the Koreans, for the highest echelons of PAP (the Lee's and GCT) are staunchly secular, even though at one time Christians made up about 70% of the ruling PAP...

No such luck with South Korea, their very top man seemed inclined to turn Korea into a Christian state.

Jogye Order says Korean government of favoring Christianity replied by An Eternal Now @ Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:59:53 +0800

An Eternal Now — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:59:53 +0800

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Jogye Order says Korean government of favoring Christianity replied by cycle @ Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:34:53 +0800

cycle — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:34:53 +0800

Originally posted by Beyond Religion:

Our fellow Buddhists in Korea has won a minor respite against the inevitable... the eventual evangelization of Korea.

It is extremely sad that the Korean Buddhists cannot be left in peace to practice their religion... and that respects are only grudgingly extended when they express their anger. Incidentally, anger is one of the most destructive emotions in Buddhism.

According to the Dhammapada, hatred is never appeased by hatred and that hatred can only be appeased by love and compassion. But I also recall the parable of the scorpion and the turtle... All the love and compassion in all of the realms won't save me from the sting of a scorpion... since it is the scorpion's nature to sting anything other than a scorpion.

Maybe I am being overly pessimistic here... but how can Buddhists ensure their own survival in the face of the spiritual equivalent of forces like the scorpion, whose nature is to destroy and assimilate?

Yah, not easy...

Actually it's kind of a deja vu to me. I mean I remember in the early 80s in Singapore, many of us including the Malaysians, had the feelings that Singapore was a Christian nation too. Many temples ( taoist and buddist) were pulled down for various reasons while it seem that, or many felt that more churches were built instead. And that time many christains were very active in the community centers or RCs as well. At least I myself felt that way...

And if I would to recall correctly, it was reported in the ST many years ago( early 90s?) that more than 50%( or almost 70%) of the members were Christians in PAP. And understandably, more doubts and uneasiness were cast upon the ruling party whenever something sensitive towards traditional culture or religions issues were involved. It was definitely unhealthy.

However, all is well now. That's how I feel at least. Many Buddhists and Venerables had worked hard in building up the dharma studies centers in those difficult years and now the result is very possitive. The govt. has been very supportive towards Buddhism developement ( as well as other religions ) all these years and has try to be as secular as possible for the purpose of racial and religion harmony.

So I guess all is not lost as long as we Buddhists encourage and support each other in the dharma path, for the good of ourselves as well as for the good of all sentient beings. Or simply put, just walk on no matter how tough the road is in front of us.

元音老人's videos replied by An Eternal Now @ Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:28:42 +0800

An Eternal Now — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:28:42 +0800

Originally posted by sinweiy:

another interesting point that say...how is Rainbow body still an "entity" or "form" in the universe? u can see whether one eventually realise that not even Buddhahood is attainable. even attaining Buddhahood had to be renouce.

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Rainbow Body is actually not an entity or form:

http://www.surajamrita.com/bon/buddhahood.html

...Indeed Thodgal does possess a method for dissolving the impure physical body at the time of death or even before and then the Rainbow Body of Light manifests. But this is not a process of transforming an impure physical body into a pure Sambhogakaya. The method Proper to Dzogchen is not the path of transformation as is the case with the Tantras but the path of self liberation. So the procedure in Tantra and in Thodgal is quite different. To effect a transformation in vision and in energy Tantra employs visualization in terms of Kyerim and Dzogrim practice. We visualize ourselves in a Sambhogakaya form whether this be a peaceful or a wrathful manifestation. But in Dzogchen there is nothing to be visualized and nothing to be transformed. The visions which arise during the course of Thodgal are not visualizations. Visualization represents the work of the mind; visualizations are created by the mind. But Dzogchen is a state beyond the mind. So these visions which arise in Thodgal are not created by the mind or by unconscious karma but they are a manifestation of what is already primordially present in the Natural State. The vision is not something created by causes but it is Lhundrub (Ihun grub) or spontaneously perfected. Since the Sambhogakaya is already fully inherent in the Natural State it simply manifests. Dzogchen alone discloses our real nature; Dzogchen has already discovered this inherent Buddhahood our real nature and so it can manifest the Sambhogakaya effortlessly. At the culmination of the Thodgal process at the stage of vision called the exhausting of everything into Reality (bon nyid zad pa) all of the visions that the practitioner experiences whether pure or impure dissolve into the Natural State. This includes our physical body which is the result of past karmic causes and represents our impure karmic vision. For the practitioner everything dissolves. This sets the stage for the spontaneous manifestation of the Sambhogakaya which has been present in potential in the Natural State from the very beginning. Since it is already there no primary cause for its manifestation is needed. [The secondary causes for its manifestation however are the purifications of obscurations along the path. This is like the winds removing the clouds from the sky so that the face of the sun becomes visible or like opening the doors to the temple so that the image of the Buddha can clearly be seen].

If we examine the notion of Buddhahood from the logical standpoint we find that the Nirmanakaya and the Sambhogakaya are impermanent whereas the Dharmakaya alone is permanent. But when we further examine the Dhan-nakaya we discover that there are two sides to it. On the side of emptiness it is permanent but on the side of wisdom it is impermanent. The Kunzhi the basis of everything is permanent because it is emptiness but Rigpa is impermanent because it is not always manifest. These two Kunzhi and Rigpa are always inseparable (dbyer med) in the Natural State. On the side of emptiness (stong cha) there is permanence but on the side of clarity (gsal-cha) or awareness (rig-cha) there is impermanence. So the manifestation side is impermanent; it is changing all of the time whereas the emptiness side is constant and permanent. We can logically distinguish these things when we speak about the Natural State but the Natural State is a totality and a perfect unity. Within it emptiness and clarity are inseparable and never otherwise. This inseparability or Yermed (dbyer med) is the essence of Dzogchen. To fall either on the side of emptiness or on the side of manifestation is to deviate from Dzogchen.

To realize the Rainbow Body means that we have practiced Thodgal and not some other method. The visions that arise are not specifically created but appear spontaneously (Ihun grub) in the presence of secondary causes such as sunlight, total darkness, and the clear open sky. They arise spontaneously from the Natural State; no Kyerim or Dzogrim practices must be done first as preparation. All that is required is the capacity to remain with stability in the Natural State. This is called stable Thegchod. Then the Thodgal visions come automatically whether in sunlight or total darkness or in the empty sky. Gradually all the pure visions of the deities arise and these visions develop by way of four stages (snang ba bzhi) until completion. Then they all dissolve into the Natural State. Our personal reality of pure and impure vision (snang ba) dissolves into Reality (bon nyid) which is the Natural State. At the same time that our visions dissolve our physical body also dissolves because it is just one manifestation of our impure karmic vision. Our normal everyday impure vision has the same source as the Thodgal pure vision - and now both equally dissolve into their source the Natural State. There is a single Base, the Natural State, but there are two Paths - impure karmic vision and pure vision, and two Fruits or results - Samsara and Nirvana. Returning to the ultimate source then the potentiality of the Natural State manifests as a Rainbow Body, the real Rupakaya.

This lalu or Rainbow Body can appear in a material sense to sentient beings in order to teach them. The Rainbow Body is not material but appears to be so since it can act on all of the senses of a sentient being simultaneously. The Sambhogakaya can be perceived only by the Aryas the Boddhisattvas who have ascended the third, fourth, or fifth paths [that is the Paths of Vision of Meditation Development and Culmination]. They can hear the teachings of the Sambhogakaya whereas ordinary beings cannot see nor hear this manifestation. So it is the Nirmanakaya that they hear and perceive. To human beings this Nirmanakaya appears as human. In other worlds and with other species of beings the situation will be different. But the Rainbow Body as the potentiality of the Natural State is not limited to any particular form. It can appear in a myriad of different forms. The Natural State has been with us from the very beginning. We have done nothing more than to rediscover it continue in it and allow its potentiality to manifest. That is Buddhahood.

元音老人's videos replied by sinweiy @ Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:36:41 +0800

sinweiy — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:36:41 +0800

Originally posted by sinweiy:

the idea of vajrayana (even such as achieving the Rainbow body), makes it possible to attain a "Causation" Buddha 因地佛, instead of a "Fruition" Buddha 果地佛. "Causation" Buddha 因地佛 ..

another interesting point that say...how is Rainbow body still an "entity" or "form" in the universe? u can see whether one eventually realise that not even Buddhahood is attainable. even attaining Buddhahood had to be renouce.

Jogye Order says Korean government of favoring Christianity replied by Beyond Religion @ Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:39:08 +0800

Beyond Religion — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:39:08 +0800

Our fellow Buddhists in Korea has won a minor respite against the inevitable... the eventual evangelization of Korea.

It is extremely sad that the Korean Buddhists cannot be left in peace to practice their religion... and that respects are only grudgingly extended when they express their anger. Incidentally, anger is one of the most destructive emotions in Buddhism.

According to the Dhammapada, hatred is never appeased by hatred and that hatred can only be appeased by love and compassion. But I also recall the parable of the scorpion and the turtle... All the love and compassion in all of the realms won't save me from the sting of a scorpion... since it is the scorpion's nature to sting anything other than a scorpion.

Maybe I am being overly pessimistic here... but how can Buddhists ensure their own survival in the face of the spiritual equivalent of forces like the scorpion, whose nature is to destroy and assimilate?

Daily Buddhist Verses replied by Isis @ Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:50:02 +0800

Isis — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:50:02 +0800

In the sky, there is no distinction of east and west; people create distinctions out of their own minds and then believe them to be true.
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The mind is the source of happiness and unhappiness.

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When a man is free from all sense pleasures and depends on nothingness he
is free in the supreme freedom from perception. He will stay there and
not return again.

It is like a flame struck by a sudden gust of wind. In a flash it has
gone out and nothing more can be known about it. It is the same with a
wise man freed from mental existence: in a flash he has gone out and
nothing more can be known about him.

When a person has gone out, then there is nothing by which you can measure
him. That by which he can be talked about is no longer there for him; you
cannot say that he does not exist. When all ways of being, all phenomena
are removed, then all ways of description have also been removed.

~ Buddha

Daily Buddhist Verses replied by Isis @ Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:07:23 +0800

Isis — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:07:23 +0800

A Note To My Thoughts- A Poem by Dzogchen Ponlop Rinpoche

A Note To My Thoughts

Past, isn't it simply a fleeting thought?
Future, isn't it just a projection of mind?
Aren't they all simply just happening now?
What there is is only this moment --
So fresh, yet just another fleeting nowness!
The world that you see,
And the sounds that you hear,
Thoughts that arise randomly,
Aren't they all just happening in nowness?
Why don't you just let go of the past and future thoughts?
Why can't you simply relax in this beautiful world now?
Why do you sacrifice your present for your pure imaginations?
Hey! Hey! Wake up you, lazy dzogchen lama!
dpr

April 13, 2007

Daily Buddhist Verses replied by Isis @ Thu, 28 Aug 2008 02:46:57 +0800

Isis — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 02:46:57 +0800

Miserliness

The normal hand open and closes

A devotee told Chan Master Moxian, "My wife is extremely stingy. She will not spend even a penny on charity. Could you please come to my house and talk to her about engaging in benevolent deeds?" Very compassionately, Chan Master Moxian agreed.

The next day, when he went to the devotee's house, the wife came out to receive him. True to her miserly nature, she did not even offer Chan Master Moxian a cup of tea. Chan Master sat down and held out his fist, asking, "Madame, look at my hand. What would you think if my hand remained constantly in a fist?" The wife responded, "If it remained in a fist, then your hand is deformed! Something must be wrong with it."

Chan Master repeated her words back to her, saying, "It is deformed!" In the meantime, he opened up his fist and held out a flat palm to her, asking, "Were it like this all the time, what do you think?" The wife responded, "That would be deformed too!"

Seizing this opportunity, Chan Master immediately came to the point, saying, "Madame, you are right! A constant closed fist and a constant opened palm are both deformed. It is the same with the way we use money. If we are always close-fisted, only concerned about getting more money, but never consider giving, we are deformed. If we are always open-handed, only thinking about spending but not saving, we are deformed as well. Money should flow like a smooth current. When it comes in, it should flow out too. There should be a balance in your receiving and giving."

A story by Venerable Master Hsing Yun

Daily Buddhist Verses replied by Isis @ Thu, 28 Aug 2008 02:22:42 +0800

Isis — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 02:22:42 +0800

Treasury of Wish-Fulfilling Gems
excerpt: chapter 18
by Longchenpa
translated by Robert Thurman

Once you have completed such contemplations
you should develop experiential wisdom in your process
Among the three paths of trascendence in the three Vehicles
Here you enter the unexcelled, essential import.
First, devote yourself to understanding the nature of reality.

Although it takes many forms, depending on the Vehicle,
The definitive essence is the indivisible reality
Which is the secret treasury of all Buddhas.
It is the natural transparency intuition
Beginninglessly peaceful, free from perplexity.
Like sun and sky, spontaneous and uncreated.

Since its natural great purity is primally present,
It is vision and voidness inseparable,
Free of proof and rejection, going and coming.
Beyond the realm of superficial determinations and distinctions,
Its indivisible reality is neither proven nor unproven,
Experientially vision an voidness are nondual;
This reality is called "indivisible."

When analyzed by the conventional two realities,
All things in cyclic life are mistaken appearances;
Untrue and deceptive, they are superficial realities.
Things of Nirvana are profound peace of translucency,
Accepted as ultimate reality, changeless in nature.

This manifold appearances is thus superficial.
Illusion, like the reflection of the moon in water,
It lacks the intrinsic reality it appears to have.
When examined, it lacks basis, root, and substance,
Free of intrinsic identity, empty as space.
When unexamined, this illusory, enticing diversity
Evolves as a relativistic distortion of instinct.

Thus, just like a datura hallucination,
These things are selfless and unreal.
Since that, in reality, is their way of being,
The "ultimate appears but superficially,
Though appearing, in reality it is unborn;
So naturally its reality is indivisible.

Its natural primal purity
And its transparent ultimacy are nondual,
So the life-cycle and liberation are nondual,
And its reality is indivisible.

Since the life-cycle appears while lacking reality,
In that ultimate realm of realitylessness
Nothing can be distinguished as separate and distinct,
And life-cycle and liberation are taught as equality.
Other ideas are false intellectual notions,
Quite confused about the nature of reality.

Causality exists as it appears to deceptive experience,
So cherish understanding of ethical choice.
The changeless nature of ultimate reality
Is transparency, the Bliss Lord of essence, spontaneity,
Natural indivisible awareness of clarity-void.

This is the mandala of natural spontaneity
Primal natural perfection, essence of enlightenment,
Purity, unfabricated, free from partiality,
Profound peace, body and wisdom inseparable.

It has examples known to all beings;
Known to the wise as like underground gold,
A lamp in a vase, a body in a lotus.
Just as a pauper has a treasure underground
But doesn't know and so stays poor,
Though you possess natural enlightenment,
It is hidden by the earth of body, speech, and eightfold mind,
So you stay poor, impoverished by the ills of life.

Just as a clairvoyant person can see
And find a way to take out the treasure
To perfect the wealth of self and other,
So the holy ones teach that reality
And show how enlightenment can be found within,
The wish-granting gem that fulfills both aims.

Just as a lamp in a vase might be bright
But cannot illuminate, blocked by the vase,
So the essential Truth Body abides within
Yet does not show, blocked by the vase of obscuration.

But it does show when the vase is broken,
Just as the world lamp illumines all lands,
When all obscurations are removed.
Though the Bliss-Lord Body is in the lotus,
It does not show when the lotus is closed
So the thousands petals of subjects and objects block
One's vision of the self-luminous Lord of Victors.

When the petals open, it is clear,
There is great liberation from the lotus of duality.
The three Buddha Bodies become naturally evident.
Thus please understand the reality
That ultimate-realm translucency
Exists within yourself!

This reality has names of many different kinds.
It is "the realm that transcends life and liberation
And the primally present "natural spontaneity,"
As the "essential realm" obscured by defilements,
As the "ultimate truth," the condition of reality,
As the originally pure "stainless translucency,"
As the "central reality" that dispels extremisms,
As the "transcendent wisdom" beyond fabrications,
As the "indivisible reality" clear-void-purity,
As the "Suchness" reality free of death transitions.

Such names are accepted by the clear-seeing wise.
Not understanding this, one adopts a nihilistic voidness,
Though claiming to avoid extremes of being and nothing,
Since one does not know the ground of freedom
And longs to escape to the peak of existence,
One falls outside this profound teaching,
Sits empty-minded, fit to rub with dust!

The Teacher taught the treasury of Dharma,
The path of the pinnacle, clear light, essence of all,
The "reality of the ground spontaneity."
Understanding this ultimate profound view,
Liberates one from resistance and obscuration,
frees from all absolutism and nihilism.

One's practice is fruitful, one soon becomes enlightened,,
One gains the eye to see all Sutras and Tantras.
Therefore be sure to realize the reality of clear light!

Jogye Order says Korean government of favoring Christianity replied by An Eternal Now @ Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:21:59 +0800

An Eternal Now — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:21:59 +0800

Hope all discriminations end and the lesson learnt from this episode.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapacific/view/372044/1/.html

South Korean Buddhists hold mass rally against alleged bias
Posted: 27 August 2008 1659 hrs

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South Korean Buddhist monks staged a hunger strike in a tent at the gate of the Jogye-sa Temple in Seoul on August 12.

SEOUL - Tens of thousands of South Korean Buddhists rallied Wednesday in central Seoul to protest alleged pro-Christian bias by the government of President Lee Myung-Bak.

A crowd estimated by police at 55,000, including thousands of grey-robed monks, packed City Hall Plaza for the rare protest which began with the beating of a giant drum.

Organisers said Buddhist temples across the country rang bronze bells simultaneously.

"Buddhists united to stop religious bias," read one banner.

A police search involving Jigwan, head monk of the country's main Jogye Buddhist order, was the trigger for the mass rally.

"This is only the beginning of our struggle," said Jinhwa, a monk acting as spokesman for the organisers.

"This is the first time all 27 (Buddhist) orders have held a rally," he said, reiterating demands for an apology from Lee, the resignation of police chief Eo Cheong-Soo and legislation formally banning religious discrimination.

Buddhists have been uneasy over what they see as Christian bias since Lee, a Presbyterian church elder, came to power in February. They were unhappy when he included members of his church network in his first Cabinet.

An online map published by two ministries, showing Seoul's churches but not major Buddhist temples, also sparked anger.

In early July, seven activists wanted by police following protests against US beef imports took refuge in Seoul's Jogyesa temple.

Tensions grew late last month when police stopped a car carrying Jigwan outside the temple and searched the boot.

Police chief Eo apologised and disciplined two senior officers. But Buddhists accused police of treating the head monk like a criminal and called for Eo's resignation.

The government has tried to placate the Buddhists, with Culture Minister Yu In-Chon expressing regret Tuesday at the dispute.

Yu said regulations would be introduced to ban religious discrimination by government officials. Lee has urged his officials not to make controversial remarks on matters of faith.

But Buddhists were unappeased. Spokesman Jinhwa said that if their demands are not met, they would hold more protests across the country.

Official data shows South Korea has about 10 million Buddhists and 13.7 million Christians.

"This government is trying to evangelise the whole country and turn it into a Protestant state," said protester Suk Jin-Heung, carrying a banner demanding the resignation of the police chief.

He said many Protestant leaders were under the illusion that the country became a Protestant state when Lee was elected.

"But Lee must know he is not president only for Protestants but for Buddhists and Catholics too, and unbelievers as well," Suk told AFP.

- AFP/ir

如何识别与防范附佛外道 replied by Bodhi hut @ Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:10:33 +0800

Bodhi hut — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:10:33 +0800

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文章欣赏：
“外道”为梵文底体加（Tirthaka）意译，原指佛教以外的宗教、学派，本无贬义。后来才有了“心游道外”的诠释，便带有非正道乃至邪道的意味。佛典中分外道“为佛法外外道”、“附佛法外道”、“学佛法成外道”三类（见《摩诃止观》卷九等）。其中，“附佛法外道”指佛教内部见地与释尊正法不符的人和派别，如犊子部、方广道人等。此类多是佛教弟子不善修学而致见地不正，虽人属佛教，身披袈裟，实际上心离佛法，与佛教外的诸外道堕于同类，因而被斥为外道。这里所说的“附佛外道”，主要指佛教内外依附、攀附佛教，利用佛教招牌贩卖非佛法、邪法货色的种种宗教、准宗教、邪教。
　　在提倡信仰自由和文化多元化的当代，新兴宗教不断涌现，外道和附佛外道多如牛毛。就附佛外道来说，虽然有一部分属于良性，具有顺应时代、安抚人心、利益社会的作用，但多数弊大于利。它们在教内与传统佛教争夺信众、误导信仰、坏人慧命；在教外招摇撞骗、聚敛钱财，极易发展为邪教，祸乱社会，同时也严重败坏佛教的声誉。无论从续佛慧命还是从报四重恩来说，佛教界高僧大德都有责任和义务对附佛外道予以深入剖析，对其中的邪教更要坚决地揭露批判。
　　不过，附佛外道有着悠久的历史渊源与复杂的社会、文化背景。以佛教界自身来说，究竟谁为“心游道外”的外道，古来也是聚讼争端，莫衷一是。当然，从理性的角度，我们还是可以作出一些基本的界定。

一、附佛外道的历史回顾

　　附佛外道由来已久，早在释迦牟尼佛创教时期即已存在。如以神通获取名利、分裂僧团、欲图佛陀教主之位、多次谋害佛的提婆达多，堪称一切附佛外道的始祖。佛教传入中土蔚成大势后，渐有附佛外道出现。起初多是不法僧徒及妖妄刁民，借佛教威望、假佛僧旗号，造反作乱。如东晋建武元年（317）北平人吴祚立沙门为天子，聚千人造反；后赵建武三年（337）安定人侯子光自称佛太子，聚众称帝。北朝乱世，不法沙门造反者，如张翘、司马百年、昙标、法秀、司马惠、刘惠汪、刘光秀、刘僧绍等，不胜枚举。其最著者为北魏宣武帝时冀北沙门法庆，他自命“新佛”，创“大乘教”，力倡杀人，谓杀一人者为一住菩萨，杀十人者为十住菩萨，“又合狂药令人服之，父子兄弟不相识，唯以杀害为事。”
　　法庆自称“新佛”，当是利用佛经中“弥勒下生成佛”说的广大影响，迎合民众不满现实，渴望像弥勒那样的救世主降临的社会心理，以煽惑民众、起事造反。此后，假弥勒降世为旗号的起事者此灭彼兴，如北魏五城郡胡人冯宜却、贺悦回城，隋代唐县人宋子贤、扶风沙门向海明，唐贝州王怀古、怀州沙门高昙晟、四川万年县女子刘凝静、延州白铁余等，皆假称弥勒造反。
　　宋代以降，附佛外道更为活跃。如宋金元之白莲教、毗卢教、糠禅、香会，明清之罗祖教、闻香教、斋教、黄天教、大乘教、圆顿教、青帮，近代人之同善社、先天教、灯花教、归根道，一贯道等，其名目流派愈演愈繁，势力愈来愈大。在有些地区其教势远远超过正统佛教，如明万历十四年（1586），憨山大师到山东崂山一带时，发现当地人已不知有佛教，多信奉罗祖教。由于历代朝廷严禁，附佛外道与其它类似道门只能在民间秘密传播，至民国肇兴，政府失驭，乃得公开活动，泛滥成灾。
　　解放初，人民政府对会道门严加取缔，附佛外道一时消声匿迹。直至二十世纪八十年代，国家实行改革开放，借助于宗教复兴和风行全国的气功热潮，附佛外道又乘势而起。大多数气功门派争相与佛教拉上关系，有的甚至以正宗佛法或最高佛法自居，其中以法轮功最为典型。此外还有从境外传入的，如卢胜彦的灵仙真佛宗，清海的等。

二、附佛外道产生的原因及其特征

　　产生附佛外道的因素很多。从认识根源来说，佛法义理深邃，法门广大，名相繁多且艰涩，穷其一生也不易认识和掌握，真能大彻大悟、亲证佛法真谛者更是若凤毛鳞角。从滋生附佛外道的根源来说，或因修行不如法而走火入魔；或因我慢山高，而欲标新立异。此外，大多数民众有渴望佛菩萨救度解脱苦难、改变人间黑暗的需求，其信仰往往虔诚热切，但对佛法不求甚解，不能明辨佛法真伪。从社会根源来说，佛教是国家和民众认同的一大宗教，有着巨大的影响，无论在政治还是在经济、文化上，都有很大的利用价值。在佛教界，佛教讲慈悲，讲自修自悟，自业自受，具有很大的包容性，真能与形形色色的附佛外道论争、抵制、批判者不多。许多附佛外道或邪教正是抓住了佛教的这些特点，大肆利用，乐得鱼目混珠，乘势发展。
　　附佛外道有两大来源，一是产生于佛教内部，多表现为学理和行为上的异端，影响大的可造成佛教的混乱、分裂和严重异化；二是产生于佛教外部，如形形色色的气功门派、民间宗教等，或附庸风雅以求得生存空间，或恶意歪曲利用以至喧宾夺主。这两类附佛外道虽然都受到正宗佛教的排斥，但在一定的政治、经济和地域环境下，都可能形成规模，或秘密结社，或公开发展。随着社会的民主化，政治力量对附佛外道的压力越来越小，任其公开自由地发展，将有可能升格为合法的新宗教，与佛教新派相混。在日本和南韩，新兴宗教层出不穷，数以百计，其中便不乏背离佛陀正法的附佛外道。这已成为现代宗教发展的一种新趋势，佛教界对此必须保持清醒的认识和高度的警惕。
　　中国形形色色的附佛外道，多表现出以下共同特征：
　　1、具有相当的功利动机。其教首或求名，或求利，或求神通，或为实现自己宗教及政治的抱负而歪曲、利用佛教。他们往往离经叛道，有反当局的政治目的，一有机会即造反作乱。　
　　2、喜欢搞个人崇拜。附佛外道皆表面崇佛，打着佛教或佛教新派的旗号，其实并不真正皈依佛法僧三宝，尤其是不皈依以僧伽为核心的佛教教团，不皈依代表佛陀正法的佛教祖师大德的正见，而且多反对、否认、排斥正统佛教和住持僧伽。其教首多自称为未来佛弥勒菩萨降生，或称是观音菩萨的传人，或称自己苦修得道，已证得很高果位，或已得到佛的冥中印记，甚至自奉为真佛，是最大的佛。虽然也有奉、诵《金刚经》等佛经、念阿弥陀佛者，但实际主要尊奉其教祖编造的《五部六册》等伪经，其说多杂糅三教言句，鄙俚粗浅。
　　3、喜欢强调神通感应，强化末劫意识。其教首或诈现神迹吸引人，或以扶乩、灵签迷惑人，或诡说恶报、灾祥恐嚇人等等。
　　4、附佛外道的教首祖师，绝大多数为文化程度、社会地位很低的在家俗人，在正统佛教中没有地位，或出生于民间宗教家庭或聚居地，多有家室之累，往往传位于其子女。即使是僧尼，也多属不守佛戒、不通佛法的伪僧、庸僧，多带头破戒，但有一定的宗教和社会活动能力。

三、如何识别附佛外道？

　　首先应当了解什么是佛教正法？什么是附佛外道？附佛外道有哪些基本特征？然后对自称为佛法或源自于佛教的某一教门、某一功法及其倡导者，从如下几方面来加以甄别。
　　1、从教义上加以甄別。看它讲的是否符合佛教的基本教义，如四谛、十二因缘、八正道等，尤其是不是符合“诸行无常，诸法无我，涅槃寂静”这三法印。
　　2、从行为上加以甄别。看他是否尊重三宝？是否守持佛教的基本教规？看他的道德修养如何？创教的目的和落脚点在哪里？对世俗的名闻利养的态度如何？平时是否讲究享受？等等。
　　3、依据佛经加以甄别。《佛藏经》载佛言：“当来之世，恶魔变易，作沙门形，入于僧中，种种邪说，令多众生入于邪见。”《楞严经》预言末法时期“邪师说法如恒河沙”。许多佛经都有辨析和破斥邪伪的教诫与方法。如《楞严经》开示，修禅那者达静寂之境，色、受、想、行四阴已尽而识阴未尽、未见真道之际，各有十种阴魔境界，或心理变态、烦恼膨胀、狂慢自大，自认开悟得道，教主欲、控他欲、名利欲难以按捺；或被各种鬼魔所附，能现身化紫金光聚、手执火光、履水行空、穿墙透壁、存没自在，及令人得神通、使人归服座下等神异；或发种种邪见邪解。当事人不知被魔所附，自认成佛，乃聚徒说法，潜行贪欲。被外魔所附的关键，还有自心贪着名利、神通等的阴魔，所谓“主人若迷，客得其便”，自心有魔，外魔才有空子可钻。《楞严经》描述末法时期的魔事时说：
　　“彼等群邪，亦有徒众，各各自谓，成无上道。我灭度后，末法之中，多此妖邪，炽盛世间，潜匿奸欺，称善知识，各自谓己，得上人法，玄惑无识，恐令失心，所过之处，其家耗散。”
　　“自言是佛，身著白衣，受比丘礼，诽谤禅律。”
　　“诽毁戒律，轻贱出家。”
　　“口中常说十方众生皆是吾子，我生诸佛，我出世界，我是元佛，出世自然，不因修得。”
　　“口中好言，我于前世于某生中先度某人，当时是我妻妾兄弟，今来相度，与汝相随归某世界。”　
　　“口中好言佛有大小，某佛先佛，某佛后佛，其中亦有真佛假佛，男佛女佛，菩萨亦然。其人见故，洗涤本心，易入邪悟。此名魅鬼年老成魔，恼乱是人。厌足心生，去彼人体。弟子与师，俱陷王难。”
　　“我灭度后，教诸菩萨及阿罗汉，应身生彼末法之中，作种种形，度诸轮转，或作沙门、白衣居士，人王、宰官、童男童女，如是及至淫女寡妇、奸偷屠贩，与其同事，称赞佛乘，令其身心入三摩地，终不自言我真菩萨、真阿罗汉，泄佛密因，轻言未学，唯除命终，阴有遗付。”
　　“汝等必须将如来语，于我灭后传示末法，遍令众生开悟斯义，无令天魔得其方便，保持覆护成无上道。”
　　4、从社会效果上加以甄别。看它所说和提倡的修行方法是否如法，是否有益于信众的身心健康、人格升华，是否有益于家庭和睦、社会安定。

四、如何防范和抵制附佛外道

　　法轮功是一个典型的附佛外道。它发展迅速，迷惑了那么多人，对社会各界来说，教训十分深刻，引起全社会对附佛外道和邪教的广泛关注。从佛教界来说，尤其应反求诸己。正法不立邪法兴，附佛外道是佛教衰颓的伴生物，也是反射佛教弊病的镜子。佛教应从这面镜子中发现自身的病症缺陷，从而针治弊端，加强佛教自身建设，大力弘扬佛法，振作图强。这是佛教界防范、抵制附佛外道和邪教的根本途径。我以为，佛教界当前亟需做好以下五方面的工作：
　　1、应在保持佛教精神特色的基础上，根据时代发展建立新的思想体系，提出符合众生根机的理念和修行方法，解答信众在生活中遇到的信仰问题和当今人类面临的种种现实问题。应进一步完善人间佛教思想体系，以人为本，实现对佛陀创教本怀的回归。在适应社会的同时，应注意保持和维护佛教的出世性、神圣性品格。
　　2、应呼吁国家对佛教给予切实的法律保障和必要的政策扶持、引导。政府主管部门应对佛教依法实施监督和管理，但不宜对佛教的内部事务包办代替，或单纯为了政治、经济目的加以利用。因为这往往会使佛教严重异化，滋生宗教腐败，损害佛教应有的宗教功能和对广大信众的吸引力。
　　3、应开展多种形式的弘法活动，扩充佛教的信仰空间，不给附佛外道的歪理邪说留市场。僧人的定位有重新审视的必要。应加强自律，以堪作信众修行的榜样；应不断提高宗教学识和文化修养，以堪作信众精神的导师；应在契机施教上大下功夫，说法应尽量通俗易懂，尽量契入民众生活，使广大民众容易接受，能从佛法中首先得到祛病健身、安和吉祥的实效。应尽量提高佛教徒的素质，提高信仰层次和佛学水平，积极弘扬充满智慧的佛教哲理，充分发挥富有伦理道德指导意义的佛教教义，发扬丰富多彩的佛教文化，以真实体现佛教的不朽价值。　
　　4、应改进和加强寺院的建设与管理。寺院在我国具有多方面的功能，它首先是宗教活动场所，应让四众弟子广泛参与各种修行活动；其次是弘扬佛法的场所，应经常组织学经讲经活动；第三是清净俭朴、禅意浓厚、品味高雅的场所，应懂得如何营造和维护。然而许多寺院往往有些本末倒置，如经忏佛事过多，鬼气、阴气过重；殿堂建筑及诸造像求大、求多、求奇，忙于旅游观光应酬接待，商气、浮华之气过重；管理理念与体制不够完善，缺乏民主作风与六和精神，佛教重戒、重德、重学、重修的传统得不到体现，官气、俗气过重。这就使有道之人只好遁入“深山”，广大有识之士难免疏远寺院、藐视僧人，广大信众也难以从寺院中学到佛法，往往停留于盲目、偏执、迷信等不如法的低层次信仰状态。
　　5、应加强佛教团体的组织建设，加强四众弟子间的团结，增强教团意识，切实维护佛教的合法权益。三大语系佛教间有不小的差异，各种宗派与修法亦多有不同，对此应相互尊重、求同存异、加强团结。对佛教内部的附佛外道，应予驱摈揭露；对误信附佛外道的人，应以友善的态度予以劝导，帮助他们弃暗投明。对教外的附佛外道，佛教界应向民众和政府有关部门揭露其假佛教旗号贩卖邪法的行径，批驳其邪说，揭示其祸害，以佛教团体的名义对其毁谤、伪托佛教的做法和助长附佛外道宣扬邪法的有关部门提出严正抗议，乃至通过法律程序维护佛教权益。

source:http://www.foyan.cn/fojian/fo/38/63.Html

悟道是哪个心 replied by rokkie @ Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:40:56 +0800

rokkie — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:40:56 +0800

悟道是哪个心 replied by An Eternal Now @ Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:22:18 +0800

An Eternal Now — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:22:18 +0800

Don't mind my previous reply, Thusness said it's too confusing, so I removed...

Will try again another day. There's some points to be taken note of.

悟道是哪个心 replied by rokkie @ Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:58:21 +0800

rokkie — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:58:21 +0800

for the wuwei's explanation, the best thing i found on internet is

是故聖人内修其本，而不外飾其末，保其精神，偃其智故，漠然無爲而無不爲也，澹然無治而無不治也。所謂無爲者，不先物爲也。所謂〔無〕不爲者，因物之所爲〔也〕。所謂無治者，不易自然也。所謂無不治者，因物之相然也。

不先物为，

i guess there are also some factor of Non dual in this sentence, so i think no interference is a good explanation, because everything come in effect automatically,

but no-self means there is no self apart from or within every arising and ceasing. This sentence i didn't get very much, no self automatically means there is no self, the self, object merge with the subject, so the self is gone, become universal. But it's got religious and high brow. I think a person can achieve that already is one proof of that he is enlightned.

But there are many factor come into play to prove that a person is enlightned, Non dual is one, there are many else, such as 十地品，十行品，欢喜地，you feel joyful, 慧焰地，不退地，远行地。i think 如来藏，is the most important criteria to judge he is enlightned or not.

Eventually it really become automatic, like when chanting, the highest level, is 无念而念，chanting but you don't know that.

悟道是哪个心 replied by An Eternal Now @ Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:20:04 +0800

An Eternal Now — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:20:04 +0800

[reply removed]

Interest Articles replied by An Eternal Now @ Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:22:01 +0800

An Eternal Now — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:22:01 +0800

Originally posted by concerned_man:

Tests clear way for "Big Bang" experiment

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080825/sc_nm/science_cern_dc;_ylt=AnECIyngSZm0AaaT7oZ2uH4DW7oF

What if our universe was actually the result of an experiment by a group of scientists outside this universe trying to 'test' the big bang?

(just kidding)

Interest Articles replied by concerned_man @ Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:15:58 +0800

concerned_man — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:15:58 +0800

Tests clear way for "Big Bang" experiment

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080825/sc_nm/science_cern_dc;_ylt=AnECIyngSZm0AaaT7oZ2uH4DW7oF

悟道是哪个心 replied by rokkie @ Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:02:21 +0800

rokkie — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:02:21 +0800

Back to the topic, i think Non dual is a good conduct, because it show the no self teaching of buddha, but in the first place, how to get to that, for ordinary person, it's very misleading to teach them Nondual, i think we have to first achieve self, than noself, how to achieve self, it's by alaya conciousness, it's interesting here, because alaya conciousness have another name ,如来藏, 如来法藏. In short rulaizang is purified alaya conciousness, which i think it's a very importent standard to judge whether someone have been enlightned already, to achieve this first, i think it's safe to play the rest of buddhism doctrine.

I think intriguing here, Non dual is not greatly mentioned in chinese buddhism, yes, there are many thing related to that, but not great emphasize on that, chinese culture, have many similar thought overlappiing that, such as 物我两忘, by forgetting the differentiation of subject and object, the unification of suject and object is achieved.

But i search the web, there indeed got some school related with Non dual, in that , the Non duality is the top priority.There also extract some saying from sutra, like you said, by hearing there is no hearer, sorry, if i quote the sentence wrongly.

In contrast, chinese buddhism, absorb some of chinese culture, which fundamentally is 无为, no interference, so there is a saying, 佛道不二. No matter tibetan buddhism or chinese buddhism, no interference play a big role, like 元音老人 said , 圣人皆因无为而各有所得, by no interference, the sage accomplish different subject base on their own nature,

There is no self, so who is enlightening, is a famous dilemma in chinese buddhism, yes, buddhism teach us no attached to self, but by my experience, i judge that, so everything in buddhism we have to take middle way thinking, we stay away from self, but not extinguish self.

Diamond Sutra Wisdom replied by rokkie @ Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:44:50 +0800

rokkie — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:44:50 +0800

Originally posted by bohiruci:

Why do we de-emphasize on hearing nd seeing the Tathagatha ?

becos its very misleading

If there is a form which Tathagatha can be seek,arent we going the deviant path?

looking at modern Cult like Aum Shinrikyo .... Their leader wants to stay prominent after failed prophecies

Buddhism never look at Form... we look inner and reflect upon

May the merits of creating such enlightening verse ,transfer to the darkest corner of the suffering of hell, hungry ghost, wandering ghost , animal and human realm

Together we realise the Great Emptiness ,towards Nirvana ...

Namo Amituofo !

because hearing and seeing fall into the category of 五蕴, you looking for something real by something false, of course cannot be done.

And again it mention attachment, buddhist cannot be attached to hearing or seeing, the disciple of buddha 阿难, is attracted by buddha's 32 sign of perfection, then because he is attached in the first place, he have even break the precept of missexual conduct, seduced by a 天女.

so we need to stay still, not shattered by distraction. Reside on 正心, 直心. Stay our mind away from pollution.

Daily Buddhist Verses replied by cycle @ Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:45:41 +0800

cycle — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:45:41 +0800

不生，不灭，不断，不常，不一，不异，不来，不去，戏论寂灭，吉祥缘起。

~ 龙树

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