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  • BroInChrist's Avatar
    3,110 posts since Dec '11
    • What do these pictures below have in common?

      According to the NEW SCIENTIST (see http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn21207-watery-secret-of-the-dinosaur-death-pose.html) when palaeontologists are lucky enough to find a complete dinosaur skeleton – whether it be a tiny Sinosauropteryx or an enormous Apatosaurus – there's a good chance it will be found with its head thrown backwards and its tail arched upwards – technically known as the opisthotonic death pose. No one is entirely sure why this posture is so common, but Alicia Cutler and colleagues from Brigham Young University in Provo, Utah, think it all comes down to a dip in the wet stuff. "Although the roads to the opisthotonic death pose are many, immersion in water is the simplest explanation."

      I think the secular scientists are on to something here, but whether they will consider the effects of a global flood is another thing. But while this cannot be used to prove that there was a global flood I think it is consistent with the belief that there was a global flood. See also http://creation.com/death-throes

       

       

       

  • despondent's Avatar
    2,223 posts since Feb '06
    • so u believe that dinosaurs were wiped out during the flood? cos the bible clearly recorded tat Noah brought a pair of every species of living creature, male and female into the ark...

  • BroInChrist's Avatar
    3,110 posts since Dec '11
    • Originally posted by despondent:

      so u believe that dinosaurs were wiped out during the flood? cos the bible clearly recorded tat Noah brought a pair of every species of living creature, male and female into the ark...

      Except for those God brought to Noah to the Ark, all other dinosaurs and other animals and other humans that lived on land perished in the Flood. The fossil record is not a record of life like what evolutionists claim, it is a record of death by a watery judgement of sin. The general order that is observed in the fossil record is not a chronological order of simple life evolving into complex life, but one in which animals were generally buried according to their ecological zones when the Flood waters overtook them all and buried them rapidly in mud and silt.

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  • BroInChrist's Avatar
    3,110 posts since Dec '11
    • Originally posted by FireIce:

      nuttin in common, looking at the pix. objectively.

      Objectively, I think a few observations

      1. Dinosaurs

      2. Dead

      3. Buried

      4. Fossilised

      5. Similar death pose

      The last point being the point of interest that scientists are trying to understand. 

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  • bycai's Avatar
    240 posts since Jul '12
    • if flood was the case, the entire planet should have skeletons all over the places like the mentioned dinosaurs. for god sake, why not let these dinosaurs rest in place angel.png it may possibly yr great great ggg grand siblings etc

      Edited by bycai 24 Jul `12, 2:40PM
  • BroInChrist's Avatar
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  • Aneslayer's Avatar
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  • BroInChrist's Avatar
    3,110 posts since Dec '11
    • Originally posted by Aneslayer:

      It could be that animals died and fossilized after the flood... No agreeable way to date them.

      Water covers 70% of the earth's surface... and http://www.fossils-facts-and-finds.com/how_are_fossils_formed.html. Unless we have a method of dating them, hard to tell which ones died during the flood... or by the flood as you claimed....

       

      According to the Bible, they died and were buried DURING the year long Flood. The process of fossilisation would take place over the decades or centuries since the Flood ended.

      There is no shortage of dating methods. The main issue is with the ASSUMPTIONS used in computing the age of the fossils. Given that the Flood happened about 4,500 years ago it would mean that the fossils would be around that age and if tested for carbon 14 we should be able to detect them. And if so detected then it would be consistent with the Biblical account and age.

  • Aneslayer's Avatar
    1,511 posts since May '11
  • BroInChrist's Avatar
    3,110 posts since Dec '11
    • Originally posted by Aneslayer:

      Somehow I can't shake away the thought of fossils being formed before the flood...

       

      Why?

  • Aneslayer's Avatar
    1,511 posts since May '11
  • BroInChrist's Avatar
    3,110 posts since Dec '11
    • Originally posted by Aneslayer:

      http://www.religioustolerance.org/oldearth2.htm

      You seem confused. YEC are saying that the fossils are formed as a result of Noah's Flood. But here you are talking about the fossils formed BEFORE the Flood? In the first place you don't even believe that there is such a Flood, so what are you shaking your head about really?

      And your link basically ASSUMED the truth of evolution. Note also the use of the word "belief" as in "A main part of this theory is the belief that fossil-bearing rock layers were laid down over an interval of hundreds of millions of years. Fossils thus represent evidence of the evolution of various species over a very long interval." So of course got conflict with the Bible, since it also goes without saying that he also ASSUMED that the Bible is false.

  • alize's Avatar
    3,369 posts since Dec '10
    • Ah, yet another piece of evidence of God.

      The dinosaurs drowned. So it must have been a flood.

      Not just any flood. It must have been Noah's flood.

  • Aneslayer's Avatar
    1,511 posts since May '11
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      You seem confused. YEC are saying that the fossils are formed as a result of Noah's Flood. But here you are talking about the fossils formed BEFORE the Flood? In the first place you don't even believe that there is such a Flood, so what are you shaking your head about really?

      And your link basically ASSUMED the truth of evolution. Note also the use of the word "belief" as in "A main part of this theory is the belief that fossil-bearing rock layers were laid down over an interval of hundreds of millions of years. Fossils thus represent evidence of the evolution of various species over a very long interval." So of course got conflict with the Bible, since it also goes without saying that he also ASSUMED that the Bible is false.

       

      *Ignores the assumptious opening....

      If the fossils were indeed are formed as a result of the flood as claimed, the dating of the fossils should point to relatively the same time... but it was shown a very wide range of dates, assuming the dating method is at least consistent.

      Edited by Aneslayer 27 Jul `12, 12:47PM
  • AngelOfDarkness's Avatar
    212 posts since Aug '11
    • Originally posted by alize:

      Ah, yet another piece of evidence of God.

      The dinosaurs drowned. So it must have been a flood.

      Not just any flood. It must have been Noah's flood.

      HAhaha. =D

      Isn't this 'evidence' totally forgetting that the Dinosaurs' Death Pose could have been due to the meteorite/(s) explosion....??

  • BroInChrist's Avatar
    3,110 posts since Dec '11
    • Originally posted by AngelOfDarkness:

      HAhaha. =D

      Isn't this 'evidence' totally forgetting that the Dinosaurs' Death Pose could have been due to the meteorite/(s) explosion....??

      How so?

    • Originally posted by Aneslayer:

       

       

      *Ignores the assumptious opening....

      If the fossils were indeed are formed as a result of the flood as claimed, the dating of the fossils should point to relatively the same time... but it was shown a very wide range of dates, assuming the dating method is at least consistent.

      I supposed in all your supposed reading of creationists literature you never came across the part about ASSUMPTIONS used in dating methods?

    • Originally posted by alize:

      Ah, yet another piece of evidence of God.

      The dinosaurs drowned. So it must have been a flood.

      Not just any flood. It must have been Noah's flood.

      I supposed you would rather that it be due to any other floods but must not be Noah's Flood?

      Well, we are talking about billions of dead things buried in rock layers laid down by water all over the earth.

      At least the fossil record is CONSISTENT with global flood.

      Edited by BroInChrist 27 Jul `12, 4:36PM
  • Aneslayer's Avatar
    1,511 posts since May '11
    • Originally posted by BroInChrist:

      I supposed in all your supposed reading of creationists literature you never came across the part about ASSUMPTIONS used in dating methods?

      Like the assumptions taken for granted that fossillization only takes place after the flood...

  • BroInChrist's Avatar
    3,110 posts since Dec '11
    • Originally posted by Aneslayer:

      Like the assumptions taken for granted that fossillization only takes place after the flood...


      Is that an admission from you about the assumptions involved in dating methods? Or are you going to give another one of your usual ambiguous non-commital replies again?

      Well, we do know that fossilisation requires rapid burial and other right conditions, which are just what a global flood would provide. Now, creationists do not say that ALL and evry single fossil that exist are formed by Noah's Flood, but that the majority can be explained by this one catastrophic disaster.

      Edited by BroInChrist 27 Jul `12, 4:54PM
  • Aneslayer's Avatar
    1,511 posts since May '11
    • Originally posted by BroInChrist:


      Is that an admission from you about the assumptions involved in dating methods? Or are you going to give another one of your usual ambiguous non-commital replies again?

      Well, we do know that fossilisation requires rapid burial and other right conditions, which are just what a global flood would provide. Now, creationists do not say that ALL and evry single fossil that exist are formed by Noah's Flood, but that the majority can be explained by this one catastrophic disaster.

      Thus you concluded majority of fossils are formed by the flood, by assuming there were less right situations before the flood or less deaths before the flood.

      Also see this.

      Edited by Aneslayer 27 Jul `12, 5:52PM
  • BroInChrist's Avatar
    3,110 posts since Dec '11
    • Originally posted by Aneslayer:

      Thus you concluded majority of fossils are formed by the flood, by assuming there were less right situations before the flood. 


      The point is that the global flood explains much of the fossils we found. And it seems that you are missing this point.

  • Aneslayer's Avatar
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