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  • zulkifli mahmood's Avatar
    6,305 posts since Feb '05
    • Singapore needs more and more foreigners whether working here, living here, studying here or just visiting here to sustain it’s economy. It is a fact that without foreigners all the business industries would be bankrupt and most of the schools would be empty. Singapore would be like a Ghost Town like during Chinese New Year Smile.

      Edited by zulkifli mahmood 06 Oct `17, 5:55AM
  • Mickeymouseee's Avatar
    33 posts since Sep '17
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    1 post since Oct '17
  • prayer42's Avatar
    10 posts since Dec '17
    • MRT is too crowded. However, now its full of older people. Our graying population is a concern indeed.

  • christinesweaver's Avatar
    10 posts since Dec '17
    • Not all places in SG are crowded. Public transports and probably central areas, mall and food centres are but these are acceptable in a growing society.

  • Rozyfrdyse's Avatar
    20 posts since Dec '17
  • Machjo's Avatar
    4 posts since Jan '18
    • I could think of one gradual solution to overcrowding.


      Adopt a Language-Passport Act (LPA) that would require any person who is born more than one year after the law is passed to enter Singapore with either a Singaporean national passport, an English-Language Passport (ELP), Chinese-Language Passport, Malay-Language Passport, Tamil-Language Passport, or Esperanto Passport.

      To acquire a language passport, the person would need to:


      1. Pass a high-level reading, writing, speaking, and listening test in the language of the language of the passport or acquire a medical note stamped into the passport identifying deafness, dyslexia, or another reason for which the person could not learn a part of the language.

      2. Pass a test on the authoritative texts of the world's religions pertaining to marriage, family life, sex, drugs, and other such matters so as to ensure some understanding of inter-Faith relations (and so by extension international and inter-cultural relations).

      3. Sign a standard abstinence contract requiring the holder of the language passport to abstain from alcohol or nicotine (other than as prescribed by a physician), gambling, fornication, and perhaps other acts under threat of a significant fine.

      The above would reduce immigration, police, and other legal translation and interpretation costs by ensuring that every foreigner knows one of the five languages mentioned above. It would reduce the risk of broken relationships resulting from intercultural misunderstandings, and it would deter foreign human traffickers, sex workers, and problem drinkers, smokers, and gamblers from visiting Singapore. This in turn would gradually reduce at least somewhat the population density of Singapore.

      The above is just an idea.

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    265,902 posts since Dec '99
    • Dip in population density, but not in crowded feeling


      As Singapore's population growth slowed and the island increased in physical size, population density stagnated last year for the first time in more than a decade.

      But though the objective measure says one thing, observers said the figures may not translate into people feeling spaces are less crowded - at least not immediately.

      Population density rose between 1 per cent and 4.5 per cent annually from 2007 to 2016. But it fell slightly last year, official data shows. The average number of people per square kilometre dipped from 7,797 in 2016 to 7,796 last year.

      As density is total population divided by land area, experts pointed to the recent slowdown in population growth as the main reason for the change.

      "This is the result of a conscious decision by the Government to limit the number of new immigrants," said population expert and National University of Singapore (NUS) sociologist Jean Yeung.

      Last year saw the first drop since 2003 in the number of foreigners living here. The non-resident population fell to 1.65 million, from 1.67 million in 2016. Residents - comprising Singaporeans and permanent residents - still grew, so all in all, total population increased by 0.1 per cent over the previous year.

      Meanwhile, reclamation has boosted the island's size over the years. Singapore's land area grew to 719.9 sq km last year, up from 719.2 sq km the year before. A decade ago, the island's size was 700 sq km.

      The stagnation in population density is likely to be a short-term phenomenon, said Institute of Policy Studies senior research fellow Leong Chan-Hoong. He noted that it may rise again after a few years as foreign manpower will likely be needed to supplement workers in critical service industries like healthcare as the population ages.

      Among economies and countries, Singapore ranks third in density, according to the World Bank - behind Macau (20,204 people per sq km) and Monaco (19,250).

      Among cities studied in a report by the Singapore think-tank Centre for Liveable Cities, Singapore ranks second, after Dhaka (13,547). Hong Kong (6,553) and London (5,210) are other dense cities in that report, while Berlin (192) and Nairobi (208) occupy the other end of the spectrum.

      But experts pointed out that the population density measure does not fully capture the lived experience of crowdedness in a city.

      Total land area may include uninhabitable areas such as hills. Also, people's experience depends on how infrastructure and other resources are managed.

      "People may still feel it is equally dense or more dense because they may be spending a big part of their time in their workplace in the central business district (CBD) or industrial areas, which feel crowded," said Dr Leong, noting how density may feel different depending on which area one is in - at home, at work or in other parts of the city.

      Associate Professor Pow Choon-Piew of the NUS geography department noted that many other cities with high population density - some higher than Singapore - are located within a larger country. This means people choose to live in those cities despite the density, for the sake of other benefits.

      In Singapore, however, residents cannot move out of the city if they want to get away from the crowd, he said, adding: "While the statistics may show stagnation or marginal drop, people don't feel it on the ground, especially during peak hours, when crowds congregate in train stations or on the streets."

      Other indicators like green space per capita or living space per household could better reflect the sensation of crowdedness, he said.

      Over the years, the Government has made moves to ease the condition. Prof Pow said this includes building parks and sky gardens in neighbourhoods and reducing golf courses to free up space. Dr Leong said that moving work hubs further out of the CBD and increasing access to MRT stations are steps in the right direction.

      Another suggestion made by veteran architect Tay Kheng Soon, an adjunct professor at NUS, is to redesign the country into many "modular cities".

      The idea is to build cities of 1 sq km to house 100,000 people each, with 70 such units lining the island's circumference and the centre reserved for a forested catchment area. This ensures most of the island will be green space.

      Buildings would see various functions stacked atop each other, with traffic flowing underground. Within each module, Mr Tay envisions schools, entertainment, businesses and community areas all connected along a central pathway so that more people can interact daily.

      "The urban areas are surrounded by a ring of farms where people can go out to take a break, and the vibrancy of each module compensates for the density," he said.



  • Certificates.provider's Avatar
    9 posts since Feb '18
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    10 posts since Feb '18
  • Teoronn's Avatar
    16 posts since Jan '18
    • Agree!

      It'sgetting worse day by day!

      Thanks to some music, I keep myself cool in long queues.

  • Vickicup's Avatar
    8 posts since Jan '16
  • Giorson Parsey's Avatar
    61 posts since Dec '17

      Hot, small, and crowded, Singapore is having an identity crisis

      Earlier this year the authorities revealed proposals to increase the population of 5.3 million by as much as 30 per cent by 2030. Citizens did not take them well.


      Locals say that you feel it in the evening rush hour, pressing into the subway carriage at the Dhoby Ghaut station to discover there’s just a little less room than you’re used to.

      Or parents face it when trying to get their children into the local school and find there are no places. Home-buyers sense it when they discover  that property prices have shot up to rates their parents would never have dreamed of.

      The city state of Singapore, said to be the world’s second most densely populated nation, is becoming more crowded. And unless activists behind an unprecedented campaign force the government to change its plans, it is going to get more crowded yet.

      Whole article not belong to giorson parsey. 

      Earlier this year, the authorities revealed proposals to increase the population of 5.3 million by as much as 30 per cent, to 6.9 million, by 2030. The government said it wanted to introduce more foreign workers to offset Singapore’s notoriously low birth rate.

      While the plan was broadly welcomed by business leaders, the proposals triggered a rare outburst of political anger in a country better known for quiet stability and political apathy.

      Days after the government’s proposals were published in a White Paper, campaigners set up a Facebook page to oppose them, and between 3,000 and 4,000 demonstrators held a peaceful protest last month at the Speakers’ Corner of Hong Lim Park, the only venue in Singapore where such rallies are allowed. It was said to have been the biggest in recent history.

      The man behind the campaign, Gilbert Goh, is now planning a another such event for 1 May. He told me he expects up to 10,000 people to attend. “By 2030, more than 55 per cent of the population will be foreigners,” he said. “We fear we will lose our national identity. I think it threatens the survival of our  culture, and Singaporeans are rising up.”

      Much of the anger towards foreigners appears to be directed at people from mainland China

      To those struck by the apparent harmony within a society comprised of Chinese, Malays, Tamils and Eurasians, Mr Goh’s comments might smack of unnecessary scaremongering, even bigotry. But there is little doubt that the 51-year-old’s campaign has struck a chord. Reports suggest that people are increasingly concerned about the rising cost of living, heavy taxes and property prices that have doubled since 2010. The cheapest new car now costs £58,000. People also complain that foreigners are stealing the jobs of local people.

      The protests are an unusual challenge for the People’s Action Party (PAP). Founded by Lee Kuan Yew, the father of the current prime minister, the PAP is credited with transforming Singapore from a colonial outpost into a shimmering global business centre. But as Reuters recently reported, the PAP has been a victim of its own success.

      Between the 1970s and 1990s, Singapore’s economy grew by an average of 8 per cent. While its citizens have become accustomed to stability and efficiency, many are finding it tough to get by on an average monthly salary of £2,125. In the 2011 election, the PAP suffered its worst ever showing and earlier this year was defeated by the Workers’ Party in the Punggol East constituency by-election.

      Meanwhile, the opposition Workers’ Party suggests that the solution to the problem is to increase the fertility rate.

      Much of the anger towards foreigners appears to be directed at people from mainland China. Feelings grew last year following an incident in which a wealthy Chinese expatriate killed himself, a Japanese woman and a local taxi driver when he crashed his high-end Ferrari after apparently jumping a red light.

      I asked Mr Goh whether he thought his campaign was xenophobic or racist. He said he did not. Asked about the opinions of businessmen who welcomed the foreign workers, he replied: “It’s not just about economics. It’s about our national identity.”

      Inequality purrs along

      Given this heated debate, it was perhaps odd timing for the economist Joseph Stiglitz to praise Singapore for how it is tackling its worsening Gini co-efficient (a measure of inequality). Like the US, Singapore has one of the worst income disparities in the developed world. And the problem is getting worse.

      But writing in The New York Times, the Nobel Prize-winning economist said the US had much to learn from Singapore. He focused on a handful of areas that could benefit the “Unequal US” – policies that had led to 90 per cent of Singaporeans owning homes and allowed proportional taxation, investment in education, and the arbitration of disputes between workers and employers. Singapore is said to be the third most expensive city in Asia and the sixth globally. My own experience of Singapore was that hotels and beer were expensive, but street food and (excellent) public transport were cheap.

      And for sure, there’s economic disparity and the covetousness that goes with it. In a taxi one afternoon, a local journalist friend and I were overtaken by a man driving a convertible Rolls Royce. The driver appeared to be Chinese. “Look at that,” laughed my friend. “This is what I was talking about – this is what makes people feel angry.”

      Edited by Giorson Parsey 26 Feb `18, 9:21PM
  • Dawnlow2233's Avatar
    19 posts since Mar '18
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    21 posts since Mar '18
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    14 posts since Mar '18
  • Alexendragoh's Avatar
    1 post since Mar '18
    • Overall, yes I feel its crowded. But it also depends on how individuals percieves it.  

      Some parts of Singapore doesnt feel as crowded compare to the most popular areas.

  • Meloosa110's Avatar
    4 posts since Mar '18
    • Came back to visit last Dec (2017) but it didn’t seem that bad..on the roads. Heard population is 5.9 million now..wah! Unbelievable, it was 2.5 million in 1992!

      Most people I see tend to be inside the malls, and trying to find an empty seat at a air-con coffee shop is impossible. 

  • oreomcflurry's Avatar
    9 posts since Apr '18
    • Ya, now when i work midnight shift and during break time i wanna go somewhere to nua alone, all my colleagues only tell me to be extra careful, cuz now sg is already not the sg we know, later see foreigners dont know what they will do. sigh.

  • Muslimgroupofcompany's Avatar
    4 posts since Apr '18
  • user121's Avatar
    9 posts since Apr '18
    • It's true, Singapore is crowded and virtually all shopping malls are flooded with people. But good thing is the ease to commute, sometimes I would rather staying at home watching Nexflux, but there are times I love grabbing promotions >.<

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