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    despondent's Avatar
    2,223 posts since Feb '06
    • is likened to a baby being accepted as part of a family without any merits on his part and is taught to do good and reject the bad...

      it starts from the family...not from the individual...

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    BroInChrist's Avatar
    3,110 posts since Dec '11
    • Originally posted by despondent:

      is likened to a baby being accepted as part of a family without any merits on his part and is taught to do good and reject the bad...

      it starts from the family...not from the individual...

      Interesting analogy.

      Indeed, the Bible teaches that we are not saved BY good works, but are saved FOR good works as it is written in Ephesians 2:8-10:

      "Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it. For we are God’s masterpiece. He has created us anew in Christ Jesus, so we can do the good things he planned for us long ago."

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    despondent's Avatar
    2,223 posts since Feb '06
    • the family is likened to the holy trinity...the baby is likened to being born again...the home the baby and the family live in is likened to heaven...the parents own the house juz as God owns heaven...

      its an irony that ppl have no problems accepting their own newborn child into their family without any merits on the baby's part yet cannot accept that God does the same to born again souls...

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    BroInChrist's Avatar
    3,110 posts since Dec '11
    • Originally posted by despondent:

      the family is likened to the holy trinity...the baby is likened to being born again...the home the baby and the family live in is likened to heaven...the parents own the house juz as God owns heaven...

      its an irony that ppl have no problems accepting their own newborn child into their family without any merits on the baby's part yet cannot accept that God does the same to born again souls...

      I think that's because many do not really appreciate or grasp the point that Christianity is about being in a RELATIONSHIP with God, being born into a divine family, having fellowship with God the FATHER. Again the familial words are much used but perhaps overlooked by many.

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    despondent's Avatar
    2,223 posts since Feb '06
    • i would add on tat they dun start off from the creator but start off from man...

      if i may draw the analogy...christianity starts off from God and man being one family, then man separated from God cos of sin, then Jesus the Son came to bring man back home...in other words, it starts off wif man actually having a ''home'' but rebellion and unrepentance made him ''homeless''...then a member of the ''family'', Jesus went out to bring the ''homeless'' man back...

      for them, it starts off wif man separated from heaven cos we are all born imperfect, then we have to make our way back to heaven by doing gd...in other words, its starts off wif man being ''homeless'' then he has to find his own way back...

  • Tcmc's Avatar
    1,419 posts since Nov '11
    • Wrong analogy.

       

      All of us are not babies. We are adults capable of being responsible of our own deeds.

      It is jus plain irresponsible to expect your parents of family to get hanged in prison or suffer for you own wrongdoings.

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    BroInChrist's Avatar
    3,110 posts since Dec '11
    • Originally posted by Tcmc:

      Wrong analogy.

       

      All of us are not babies. We are adults capable of being responsible of our own deeds.

      It is jus plain irresponsible to expect your parents of family to get hanged in prison or suffer for you own wrongdoings.


      Then why are atheists whining about God holding them responsible for their sins by sending them to hell?

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    despondent's Avatar
    2,223 posts since Feb '06
    • Based on tat, it's also plain irresponsible to expect God to be blamed for the wrongdoings of humans or even Christians...since we r not babies but adults who noe wads rite n wrong...

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