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  • Junyang700's Avatar
    8,043 posts since Feb '08
    • Singaporeans asked to chew on their manners

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      TAMARA THIESSEN
      May 31, 2010

      At the Tanah Merah MRT rail station in Singapore, hundreds of iPhone-infatuated commuters appear to be as oblivious to fellow commuters as they do to the sign strung before them: ''Value Life Act Responsibly''.

      It is the kind of behaviour-regulating message that is thrust down their throats daily, though some observers are cynical about their effectiveness. "This is campaign city," a marketing specialist says. "There's a 'Smile' campaign, 'Be on time to weddings' campaign, a 'Courtesy' campaign … there are just too many campaigns."

      In a country where people are regimentally law-abiding and clean, happiness and civility are also deemed to be in need of outside enforcement. Visitors to Singapore know they will be greeted by spick-and-span public spaces, hoovered grounds and streets free of chewing gum and spit; yet many say there is no such assurance of finding good manners and a caring society.

      In a letter to The Straits Times Sabrina Chen said that ''achieving true kindness boils down to having one characteristic which is missing among us: initiative. Singaporeans lack the initiative to care".

      Under slogans such as ''Kindness rocks'' and ''Be a smile champion'', the Singapore Kindness Movement has been campaigning relentlessly for a more benevolent society. The movement's second State of Graciousness in Singapore Survey, found ''S'poreans'' had conducted themselves better on public transport over the past year, amid hefty state-waged campaigns to improve consideration among commuters.

      But half the respondents were negative about behaviour in public, on the roads, at work and at home, said the movement's general manager, Teh Thien Yew. "Levels of indifference and unhappiness are still high … we are all concerned about graciousness in our country."

      Some foreign workers in the city have few kind words about Singaporeans' manners. "They are the rudest f---ing people I have ever seen; they need some basic training in civic awareness," said Paul Stapleton, an IT manager from Sydney. "They don't feel that anyone else exists outside this tiny island."

      The resounding verdict points to a Singapore rigorously controlled at the expense of humanitarian values. So will more state initiatives such as the Singapore Kindness Movement, whose patron is the Prime Minister, Lee Hsien Loong, reap change?

      "The problem is the sole concern of most Singaporeans is money and economic wellbeing," a long-time British resident says. "The only reason the churches here are packed to the rafters is because people attend in order to network."

      http://www.smh.com.au/world/singaporeans-asked-to-chew-on-their-manners-20100530-wnjm.html
      Singaporeans slammed for being rude in Australian newspaper

      By Angela Lim – June 2nd, 2010

      It’s no secret that Singapore is a “campaign city”.

      The National Courtesy Campaign, Speak Good English Movement, the Singapore Kindness Movement and even toilet campaigns like “Aim Right”, “Wash Your Hands Right”, “Don’t Wet The Floor” are clear testaments to this.

      But Sydney Morning Herald writer Tamara Thiessen takes this a step further in a provocative piece entitled “Singaporeans asked to chew on their manners” that was published on the newspaper’s website on May 31.

      In it, she questions the level of courtesy and graciousness in Singaporeans as well as how constant reminders to be courteous have to be “thrust down their thoats daily”.  The article further goes to portray Singapore as a regimentally law-abiding and clean country, where “happiness and civility need…outside enforcement”.

      But despite the city-state’s spick-and-span spaces free of chewing gum and spit, “there is no assurance of finding good manners and a caring society”, she writes.

      An IT manager from Sydney who is based in Singapore, Paul Stapleton, is quoted in the article saying, “They (Singaporeans) are the rudest f***ing people I have ever seen; they need some basic training in civic awareness. They don’t feel that anyone else exists outside this tiny island.”

      Another long-time British resident staying here added, “The problem is the sole concern of most Singaporeans is money and economic well-being. The only reason the churches here are packed to the rafters is because people attend in order to network.”

      General manager of the Singapore Kindness Movement, Teh Thien Yew, is also quoted in the paper as saying, ”Levels of indifference and unhappiness are still high … we are all concerned about graciousness in our country.”

      Invariably, every society has its fair share of bad social graces.  But is it fair for an Australian or Briton to pass judgement on Singaporeans as a whole based on personal experience and a few opinions?

      A 24-year-old Singaporean student, who wanted to be known as Jen, told Yahoo! Singapore that Thiessen’s article is a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

      “Who is the writer to say that Singaporeans make up an ungracious society? Yes, there may be some rude people in Singapore. But there are always bad eggs in every society. Personally, I’ve met my fair share of rude Australians while studying there, but I don’t dismiss Australia as a country of ungracious people.”

      To Singaporeans’ credit, according to the State of Graciousness in Singapore Survey, people here conducted themselves better on public transport over the past year. Also, the country’s “Graciousness Index” — an indication of how citizens rate the level of graciousness within society — climbed 3 points from 58 to 61 in the same time.

      Having said that, while Thiessen’s article borders on being one-sided and slightly extreme, could the ugly truth be that she’s actually right? 

      After all, in the same survey, only 37% out of 1,000 Singaporeans interviewed were happy with the level of graciousness in the city-state.

      In light of such harsh criticism, do you agree that the level of courtesy and graciousness in Singapore society leaves much to be desired? Are state campaigns effective in inculcating kindness and consideration in local citizens?

      http://sg.yfittopostblog.com/2010/06/02/singaporeans-slammed-for-being-rude-in-australian-newspaper/

      Edited by Junyang700 03 Jun `10, 10:42AM
    • I agree. We are extremely rude to others, although I do not think we are number 1 for being rude. 

      China people are the rudest people on Earth, followed by Singapore, 2nd.

  • skythewood's Avatar
    7,346 posts since Jul '07
    • Originally posted by Junyang700:

      I agree. We are extremely rude to others, although I do not think we are number 1 for being rude. 

      China people are the rudest people on Earth, followed by Singapore, 2nd.

      North Korea is very friendly people.

  • ditzy's Avatar
    68,869 posts since Dec '03
  • Junyang700's Avatar
    8,043 posts since Feb '08
    • Originally posted by skythewood:

      North Korea is very friendly people.


      Ic.. You been there? I think they are actually more friendly, if you actually go there? Their leaders may be aggressive, but I believe their people may be quite friendly.

  • One Harmonius Blend's Avatar
    2,690 posts since Aug '09
  • dragg's Avatar
    49,241 posts since Mar '05
    • An IT manager from Sydney who is based in Singapore, Paul Stapleton, is quoted in the article saying, “They (Singaporeans) are the rudest f***ing people I have ever seen; they need some basic training in civic awareness. They don’t feel that anyone else exists outside this tiny island.”

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      look at the f word and you know how nice he is.

       

       

  • ditzy's Avatar
    68,869 posts since Dec '03
    • The ang mors will label anyone here in Singapore with yellow skin as some chinese from china. You think they give a hoot who singaporeans are? Singaporeans have chinese, and chinese are from china full stop.

    • Originally posted by dragg:

      An IT manager from Sydney who is based in Singapore, Paul Stapleton, is quoted in the article saying, “They (Singaporeans) are the rudest f***ing people I have ever seen; they need some basic training in civic awareness. They don’t feel that anyone else exists outside this tiny island.”

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      look at the f word and you know how nice he is.

       

       

      I don't blame people who come from convict country.

  • TTFU's Avatar
    6,124 posts since Mar '10
    • Originally posted by dragg:

      An IT manager from Sydney who is based in Singapore, Paul Stapleton, is quoted in the article saying, “They (Singaporeans) are the rudest f***ing people I have ever seen; they need some basic training in civic awareness. They don’t feel that anyone else exists outside this tiny island.”

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      look at the f word and you know how nice he is.

       

       

      OWNED

  • Terminator Hitman's Avatar
    2,078 posts since May '10
    • i read the news from syney morn herald....it lacks examples and details....sounds more like a hate group who hates successful richer countries.....the person could be another foreigner  chinaman etc werkin in spore from way it looks.however if intell n data obtained is from australia...rather not think much of it.australia is good for vegetables and food.....farms..countryside....anything else i wouldnt count on it.

    • one greek living in oz asked me where is spore in china?and who cntrols spore...:)

  • dragg's Avatar
    49,241 posts since Mar '05
    • Originally posted by ditzy:

      The ang mors will label anyone here in Singapore with yellow skin as some chinese from china. You think they give a hoot who singaporeans are? Singaporeans have chinese, and chinese are from china full stop.

      the sad and unfortunate thing is many chinese (from china or otherwise) think the ang mohs are great.

       

  • angel7030's Avatar
    30,628 posts since Jul '07
  • Junyang700's Avatar
    8,043 posts since Feb '08
    • Originally posted by dragg:

      An IT manager from Sydney who is based in Singapore, Paul Stapleton, is quoted in the article saying, “They (Singaporeans) are the rudest f***ing people I have ever seen; they need some basic training in civic awareness. They don’t feel that anyone else exists outside this tiny island.”

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      look at the f word and you know how nice he is.

       

       

      I think this Paul Staples should go back to Oz....

  • ditzy's Avatar
    68,869 posts since Dec '03
    • Originally posted by angel7030:

      Singaporeans not only rude and ungracious in the public, but also in forums.

      Well, it takes one to know one.

  • angel7030's Avatar
    30,628 posts since Jul '07
    • Originally posted by ditzy:

      Well, it takes one to know one.


      ya, that is our culture, we know each other better thru rudeness, in Singapore, if you behave gracious and polite, somehow people think you siao liao

  • Terminator Hitman's Avatar
    2,078 posts since May '10
    • angel7030 having difficult time wiv people at werk.....

       

    • needed to leave singapore beczuse spore gov dun love me....

      so me pack up with all my cats and dogs and fly off to oz....soon goin to nz. in near future.

  • ahtansh's Avatar
    617 posts since Jan '05
    • Survival of the fitness mentality, sinkies are getting less gracious because of competitions. The PRCs are loud, we need to be louder to be heard. The Malaysians are hard working, wee need to work smarter to beat them. Kindness will only prevail when others had enough.

  • Fallen-Angel's Avatar
    369 posts since Mar '10
    • Rude then rude loh. SO? Foreigners not happy also come here work, not happy still come here study, not happy still come here tour. Not happy then go back suck thumb k. Nobody's gonna give a damn.

  • Terminator Hitman's Avatar
    2,078 posts since May '10
    • by the time u finish competiting wiv them from cost to hard werkin....theres nothing much left in savings and future.

  • small-man's Avatar
    215 posts since May '10
  • Fenixx's Avatar
    636 posts since May '10
    • As per our productivity campaign mah:

      Good, better, best
      never let it rest
      Till your rude is your ruder and your rude beat all the rest!

      -. Mission accomplished! Well done!

  • Bhw33's Avatar
    248 posts since Jun '10
    • Being rude is the Singapore culture. I am PROUD TO BE RUDE. I don't get angry with people who are rude to me.

      BUT SERIOUSLY SPEAKING, I AM VERY VERY NICE TO INDIANS, MALAYS AND CHINESE.  WHEN IT COMES TO WHITES, I AM DAMN RUDE.

      -WHEN ANG MO RUN TO LIFT,  I PURPOSELY CLOSE IT

      -I DON'T HOLD DOORS OPEN FOR ANG MO.  RATHER I SLAM IT SHUT IN THEIR FACE.

      -WHEN ANG MO LINE UP IN FRONT OF ME AT MIX RICE STALL, I WILL BARK OUT MY ORDER 1ST BEFORE HE HAS CHANCE TO ORDER.

      -IF ANG MO SCOLDS ME, I WILL SAY "GET LOST".

      -AT THE BUS, I WILL PUSH ANG MO TO ONE SIDE WHEN ENTERING. But if I see a malay or indian, I patiently let them go up first.

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