oh yea...n for the dunno-who who posted abt the stomach acid thing.......lol...i got a good laugh. All rite..VE fault for not teaching u properly. (HEY! AntiVE pple! look! VE has a fault! quick! Fire in the hole!)

Stomach acid...neautralise all the alkaline.....lol. I wonder why evian have not when bankrupt. Look, if u did proper research, yoiu should study neautralization and how it works. Yes there is neatralization being done..but relaxed, the body aint able to detect ionic calcium as alkaline so long as its fluid form. As it passes through your stomach, to your intestines, there will be so little fluid then that the body absorbs alot of ionic calcium into the intestine. Idiot...if stomach acid neuatralise all the alkaline why the hell are we eating fruits n vegatables?! won all the acid neutralise every single vitamins n minerals (wait! dont you know they flow in alkaline fluids? you don? stupid u..) that you wonder...god should haf put the intestine ahead of the stomach!

lol
corwin

haha...been a while. So many nonsense.

Okok, well, all I can say is....If lotza pple think VE is a scam company...we're forcing relatives to buy, we prey on youngsters...we use "underhand tactics"....we bring someone to the staircase and torture them...we electric chair pple...we poison our customer food with "deception potion"....well so be it! Im happy being in one of the best local NM companies ive seen and I just recently collect a nice real nice pay together with a few of my downlines and we're heading out for some nice food soon.

I'll close this topic soon, saying this to all idiots out there. Time will tell, if Venture Era closes down, I go jail or I go broke....I promise you, I shall reveal who I am for you to mock me and label me the idiot. But as long as I have good money, I have happy customers and my guys are collecting good money, rest assured; VE will grow so big, one day you'd have to bite your tongue more then once thinking...what was I thinking fool! And don worry, if what ure thinkin is right, I thoroughly enjoy earning money from YOU! and of course all the poor youngsters ive "preyed on" whom now are collecting nice 4-5k paychecks....poor them...what were they thinking?! they are making the biggest mistakes of their lives! oh no..what happens if they take out a beemer?! Really...poor customers...their skin must be rotting sleeping on the magnetic therapy...and those poor alkaline water drinking pple....THeir "stomach acid" must have neautralised so much alkaline...they wonder if they are shitting soo much acid all of a sudden! OH NO! they could be dead by now. Hey! no what? soon you'll see pple getting hancuffed outta tt old MDIS building...poor VE souls! May they continue scamming and earning and selling products and believing they're entreprenuers when they drive their cabriolet beemer. Hee hee.

For the rest of you...as long as you are doing NM, no matter what company...as long as you feel you're doing it legally with full conscience of your heart (you guys are smart pple! yea..ure networkers!) keep don it! Ya guys are the pioneers of the industry. Dun worry...when you drive your beemer and you retire "young and rich"....mightyiceboy n flamboy n tibsBus n wisemanlaurence will come knocking on your door wearing a police uniform with a handcuff saying "hey networker! ure under arrest!" "FOR WHAT?!" "for being rich and young and driving a beemer and making others rich with you and making stomach acids neuatralise all the alkaline in your body!"

lol

best wishes
Corwin

Welcome to the forums

well, ure point being?

Like I told u, it is important to have a centralised location. That is true. Nobody said CBD was a bad area. In my earlier posts, I mentioned the company took due consideration into the location. It seems opinions of customers and agaents were taken into account and ascessibility wise, our current location was much convinient. After 2 months shift, agents n customers alike seem to have no complaints compared with the CBD expensive entry routes and parking spaces.

Really, I find it funny that you seem to be making a personal grudge againts my company as if the location of the company will cause so many agents and customers to leave venture era and competitors see it as a downfall of my company. Understanding u r from a company LFI which location-wise seems to be way off "centralised" as you call it, I don't see any adverse effects that will ruin your company am I right to say that? So if pinpointing a company's location is a big decision to criticise, remember one thing, although location can be a great asset to a company, especially MLM companies, it takes time to open new branches n HQ. As the business grows, Im sure many MLM companies would become like Great Eastern n AIA whereby their offices are spread with the demand of the market.

So, I did not twist any use of words cause I did not claim in my forum here tt CBD was bad, in fact, it is a great location for venturing businesses but due to target traffics considerations, businesses experts will tell you that our current location will do great. and of course many other reasons I am disclosed to tell. I hope none of your comments are personal. And correct me if I am wrong that u are still in LFI.

Corwin

to the_fallen

well, in reply to u, the last time we met, i did say a centralised location is important, and yes it is!

Now, id like you to do me a favour and take a look at singapore map and pinpoint where eunos is and you would realise is not at the EDGE of singapore, but it is "centralised". Secondly, take a look at the defination of "centralised". Tt word does not mean center of Singapore. tt means..toa payoh. but "centralised" has lots of meaning in the business terms.

The thing is i am not pinpointing the scrutiny of the word "centralised" (well, you did) but all I am saying is, it is definately not a good idea to open a network marketing office and retail counter at let's say tuas...or changi airport. I hope your "research" goes further then the scrunity of words cause, at CBD or eunos, it looks like VE is getting bigger number of distributors and bigger sales turnover, so don't be too happy tt they can go bankrupt tmrw yea?

And in repliance to the cars....gosh, little did i know the "heard tt VE pple's...." "heard tt my aunty's friend's cousin's nephew's son in VE....." critics are still finding every single fault abt VE. I'll give you a heads up to ure critics, there is always dog pooh every morning at the side road of our office. Man, tts the end of Venture Era. We are packing our bags, moving to "another location" and there is this particular cockroach I have been trying to find that is always running around the drainage area, cause whenever i walk pass the place, it emerges! I am a roach magnet. Man...tts really the end of Venture Era. You see, I never took a bath in 70 days tts why....so Venture Era has one smelly dude walkin around the office....

okok..enough joking, well abt the cars.. (do I have to reply to everything)....yes, it is a simple reasoning of registration of car with license. You cannot register your car without license. ok? and about old BMWs, let me just ask, did you see new ones? or were you blind to new ones. Of course if u knew BMW models, 2004 n 5 models are launched during those years n obviously they belong to the 03 n 04 car achievers. N believe me when i say they can change their cars but even I wouldnt cause if you ever bought a BMW or a car for tt matter, you would be pretty careful when u would sell ure car, for monetary reasons. Now, the next person who would ask why Venture Era pple do not change their underwears or why they don't register under another person's name, let me just answer u now....it's their problem.

peace to all tt i haf offended but really, talk to me abt concrete business stuff, it will make sense, come up with a hypothesis w/o using ure heads first, really shows ure lack of aptitude.

Originally posted by corwin_2k:
quote]Originally posted by TIB744U:
[b]hey there everyone.

seems like venture era has moved out from CBD. but funny if they are really that rich they should move to a bigger place around the city area but why..

[b]190 CHANGI ROAD?!

that's very very far from their annual grand seminar location! carlton hotel..

==

quoting from yet another blog to prove the move:

i mean, nothing wrong with the move but why out of a place which is so inconvenient because all their customers have to travel to the eastern part of singapore just to get their products. i wonder what in terms of bigger platform.. WAREHOUSE?[/b]

to TIBBS! (OH YEA! sorry for the longness again, I did apologised b4 didnt I?)

Well just to point out one fact, I think your exclamations about the location shows greater unprofessionalism, and looking at all ure other posts, looks quite as it too.

THe other quote was you saying abt Venture Era people claiming to be Businessmen and entreprenuers and u were so againts tt right? I ought to laugh at you being so ridiculous. Its ok, I shldn't be maintain a pro image here for nothingS like you. Wads the point? convo goin' to never goin to end anyway. You know what they say about hard-headedness.

Talking abt business, you lack tt knowlege cause go read-up abt the meaning of distributors in a business POV and you will know that distributotion is a form of business or its also called wholesale. All network marketing companies are wholesale companies theoratically and distributors are actually wholesale agents. If its wrong to call distributors entreprenuers or businessmen, the poor owners of amazon.com, fedex and many other wholesale and distribution companies are also boastin' entrepreniers as you claim?

Location? I know the importance of location. Im saying, why so critical about every move VE makes since you are not even in NM, a buisness or in Venture Management or a consumer of Venture Era products for tt matter And if you are, boy am I shocked!! ). At least understand first why they shift out of CBD before being critical TTs what I mean. At THAT is called professionalism.

I can give you many reasons why the move out, its to obviously a more expensive rented office, so definately more money spent. And obviously VE management has done its due diligence about consumer needs and stuff for them to choose a location like tt. I can give you the real reason why the shift and to tell you the location is a tremendous move but telling you the real reasonS is breaching company's policies and WAIT bofeore you say, Im hiding and such (which I know you would), it is MLM policy, business policy (not to leak out info to competitors) and the location, is really a major decision to Venture Era's decisions, I know, cause I am in their decision making process. Just a thumbs up, Venture Era analysed 7 buildings before purchasing 190 changi road and the others, some were at CBD areas and suprisingly cheaper. Talking abt consumer POV, go ask a consumer esp. one staying in SPORE (and like I said, VE have had its due diligence done by even asking lots of our consumers and distriutors) if they rather pay alot of money travelling through CBD expensive roads (ERP), terrible parking spaces and a 100 other reasons I cannot tell you, then Eunos? Many customers agreed that it was more convinient. And a little hint, location was chosen for more long term purposes.

Did not say CBD wasn't good, bt like I said, if Eunos makes Venture Era bankrupt, then I'll really be suprised cause so far, it has been flourishing with more customers. So, due YOUR due diligence.

And last but not least, I have answered many times, I cannot help it, if people use the worng tech to try recruit you, blah blah blah, im not using tt tech and definately many others in VE, trust me on tt, I don't become a millionaire lying to you, stay in VE a month you will know only specific teams do tt. And trust me to the fact VE is educating dist. to not use those techn BUT THE POINT IS, every company has its CONS (someone was aking for VE bad side), you have pointed it out, gd 4 you, and VE is amending tt part and all companies in the world too have their cons, so peace gal, give businesses a chance! At least other people in Venture Era are making the cut to be entreprenuers and earning money. So no generalising ok? Cause 8 days ago I got a call from another International MLM company asking to come down for an admin/cust service job with very good pay (upto $5000) they said and I asked the company name, it was a very well known MLM company. Well, its the 9th time in over 6 months I got tt kind of thing. So don put in on VE, its a wole NM problem which have to change.

Overpriced products, no debate. Venture Era has 50-70% profit increase from wholesale. Osim has about 80%, GNC about 112% and Watsons/Guardia abt 70%, so....there you go. MAgnergy, VE magnetic therapy which is manufactured in US, is priced at $US2100 for a single sized bed at RETAIL SHOPS. VE is selling it at $S1690 RETAIL PRICE. So you must understand, diff mag therapy diff price cause of diff quality and features and warranty periods. SOmeone was saying, "I wouldn't buy an overpriced product knowing it will to all you dists." well, then you should't buy lots of products in the world, and you shouldn't be typing on your computer cause Bill Gates makes 60% profit increase for himself to gain. You want to compare needs, try VE products and you will understand tt we are not exxagerating cause true, Magnergy (a famour US mg t) is quite strong in effect and so is our water system and air products.

Anyway to TIBS, this was all for you. Anyway, a day at the forum is quite a relaxation for me. Im quite a slow person in typing. Good practise. Oh yea! 4got one more. SOmeone mentioned abt long posts being boring blah blah, well, tts the problem you see, cause many people got many things to argue abt so professionally, content is king. Do not be ignorant, for abundance of text-reasons cause you to not gain information, you are qute pampered. I told you, this forum is a defending POV forum. You want to know, read the first post, don't want, post in the other forum about Venture Era. I think tts more of a your-kind-of-place forum. a "summarized" forum. [/b][/quote]

So TIBS? COmon, you can do better than tt. Throw ure qns. Ill always be for you (I sound like Im so in love...well, im trying to be really UNPRO here..disturbing you?) I wont close this forum just yet. Well, Im starting to be very provocative, not sure if Im doin the right thing.... .....hmmmm

quote]Originally posted by TIB744U:
hey there everyone.

seems like venture era has moved out from CBD. but funny if they are really that rich they should move to a bigger place around the city area but why..

[b]190 CHANGI ROAD?!

that's very very far from their annual grand seminar location! carlton hotel..

==

quoting from yet another blog to prove the move:

i mean, nothing wrong with the move but why out of a place which is so inconvenient because all their customers have to travel to the eastern part of singapore just to get their products. i wonder what in terms of bigger platform.. WAREHOUSE?[/b][/quote]

to TIBBS! (OH YEA! sorry for the longness again, I did apologised b4 didnt I?)

Well just to point out one fact, I think your exclamations about the location shows greater unprofessionalism, and looking at all ure other posts, looks quite as it too.

THe other quote was you saying abt Venture Era people claiming to be Businessmen and entreprenuers and u were so againts tt right? I ought to laugh at you being so ridiculous. Its ok, I shldn't be maintain a pro image here for nothingS like you. Wads the point? convo goin' to never goin to end anyway. You know what they say about hard-headedness.

Talking abt business, you lack tt knowlege cause go read-up abt the meaning of distributors in a business POV and you will know that distributotion is a form of business or its also called wholesale. All network marketing companies are wholesale companies theoratically and distributors are actually wholesale agents. If its wrong to call distributors entreprenuers or businessmen, the poor owners of amazon.com, fedex and many other wholesale and distribution companies are also boastin' entrepreniers as you claim?

Location? I know the importance of location. Im saying, why so critical about every move VE makes since you are not even in NM, a buisness or in Venture Management or a consumer of Venture Era products for tt matter And if you are, boy am I shocked!! ). At least understand first why they shift out of CBD before being critical TTs what I mean. At THAT is called professionalism.

I can give you many reasons why the move out, its to obviously a more expensive rented office, so definately more money spent. And obviously VE management has done its due diligence about consumer needs and stuff for them to choose a location like tt. I can give you the real reason why the shift and to tell you the location is a tremendous move but telling you the real reasonS is breaching company's policies and WAIT bofeore you say, Im hiding and such (which I know you would), it is MLM policy, business policy (not to leak out info to competitors) and the location, is really a major decision to Venture Era's decisions, I know, cause I am in their decision making process. Just a thumbs up, Venture Era analysed 7 buildings before purchasing 190 changi road and the others, some were at CBD areas and suprisingly cheaper. Talking abt consumer POV, go ask a consumer esp. one staying in SPORE (and like I said, VE have had its due diligence done by even asking lots of our consumers and distriutors) if they rather pay alot of money travelling through CBD expensive roads (ERP), terrible parking spaces and a 100 other reasons I cannot tell you, then Eunos? Many customers agreed that it was more convinient. And a little hint, location was chosen for more long term purposes.

Did not say CBD wasn't good, bt like I said, if Eunos makes Venture Era bankrupt, then I'll really be suprised cause so far, it has been flourishing with more customers. So, due YOUR due diligence.

And last but not least, I have answered many times, I cannot help it, if people use the worng tech to try recruit you, blah blah blah, im not using tt tech and definately many others in VE, trust me on tt, I don't become a millionaire lying to you, stay in VE a month you will know only specific teams do tt. And trust me to the fact VE is educating dist. to not use those techn BUT THE POINT IS, every company has its CONS (someone was aking for VE bad side), you have pointed it out, gd 4 you, and VE is amending tt part and all companies in the world too have their cons, so peace gal, give businesses a chance! At least other people in Venture Era are making the cut to be entreprenuers and earning money. So no generalising ok? Cause 8 days ago I got a call from another International MLM company asking to come down for an admin/cust service job with very good pay (upto $5000) they said and I asked the company name, it was a very well known MLM company. Well, its the 9th time in over 6 months I got tt kind of thing. So don put in on VE, its a wole NM problem which have to change.

Overpriced products, no debate. Venture Era has 50-70% profit increase from wholesale. Osim has about 80%, GNC about 112% and Watsons/Guardia abt 70%, so....there you go. MAgnergy, VE magnetic therapy which is manufactured in US, is priced at $US2100 for a single sized bed at RETAIL SHOPS. VE is selling it at $S1690 RETAIL PRICE. So you must understand, diff mag therapy diff price cause of diff quality and features and warranty periods. SOmeone was saying, "I wouldn't buy an overpriced product knowing it will to all you dists." well, then you should't buy lots of products in the world, and you shouldn't be typing on your computer cause Bill Gates makes 60% profit increase for himself to gain. You want to compare needs, try VE products and you will understand tt we are not exxagerating cause true, Magnergy (a famour US mg t) is quite strong in effect and so is our water system and air products.

Anyway to TIBS, this was all for you. Anyway, a day at the forum is quite a relaxation for me. Im quite a slow person in typing. Good practise. Oh yea! 4got one more. SOmeone mentioned abt long posts being boring blah blah, well, tts the problem you see, cause many people got many things to argue abt so professionally, content is king. Do not be ignorant, for abundance of text-reasons cause you to not gain information, you are qute pampered. I told you, this forum is a defending POV forum. You want to know, read the first post, don't want, post in the other forum about Venture Era. I think tts more of a your-kind-of-place forum. a "summarized" forum.

hmmm

And yea, haha, to all those wondering abt the new office.

Firstly, id like to laugh those whom think 190 changi road is at changi (esp. the person whom said abt the changi village thing)
Secondly, id to laugh to those whom think 190 changi road is a warehouse.
Thirdly, is it wrong to move location???? WHy so critical? oh yea i forgot...Kids.

Anyway, VE new office is a great office but nothing to boast abt. So nothing much to hoo-hah yea?

All the best, god bless

Honestly, I do understand the wrong marketing methods other distributors do in Venture Era but the thing is neither me nor the company teaches any of them. Every MLM company have their share of independent distributors whom chose to independently do things or say things that are wrong and dangerous creating a mass widespread of negativity just like you know telling pple its an admin job. Think abt this, no matter how much the company train and tell pple to say that this is "sales and marketing" how many distributors would have the tendency to trick their friends into admin/office job?

I tried explaining this earlier that my topic was "defending point of view" of THE COMPANY, not the distributors. I have been in Venture Era a year plus. I have seen Venture Era grow tremendously and creating many youth leaders, happy customers and good entreprenuers. I have also seen many people whom do not understand that honestly is important in business, an if its their own business, it will fail. THe thing is some dist. say or do things wrongly (not all) and the company is branded as bad. Its not only Venture Era's problem, is NM problem as a whole.

Venture Era has step up its notch to wider range of products, bigger office, getting older distributors (to have a balance in maturity) so that Venture Era wouls grow into the market share. It takes time, but Venture Era is making great progress in effectively marketing out our products.

So defending my company again, I wish to point out, the company does not tteach nonsese and always teach honestly. I try saying many times, but every now and then, many would see the faults of Venture Era and not the progress of it. The company is also educating and correcting distributors into their techniques of recruitment. There are lesser and lesser dist. going againts the rules nowadays. I am in the business world for 7 years now, nothing beats the concept of network marketing as a platform for business learning. Yes there still would be "kids" in Venture Era doing things againts the teachings of VE due to desperation. VE will outgrow these when it is big and branded one day. Just like big companies out there.

Hope you get where I am coming from. Anyway, lets for a second think of what if Venture Era dist. are clear and precise in their rec skills, what would you think of VE then? VE will do its best to train their dist. and majority are great showing good progress in the training.

And especially to TIB4whetver, you obviously are like one of my aunt whom one year later, regretting telling me "MLM all bullshit. pull pple buy product pull people, your up get alot of money, you get peanuts" cause today when she opened her own wholesale business, she understood terrificly what I mean, that the world of business revolves around distribution of profits. With lesser channels, more manipulation of profits. Either you dumbly be a solo-player in your business, or you network with other businesses to maximise leverage and increase profits. NM is direct-selling products and leveraging on business partners' market share.

Like it or not, it is not wrong thats why its legit. you either cry that it is like that, or you fight you way to the top of the market share. Read my earlier posts, everything is explained there. So understand what VE and NM really is first before you jump into conclusions why NM industry is so tarnished. To me, NM is less tarnished then years b4, each year after I see the rise in NM in the country.

I guess nothing can change the mindset of some of u guys here. Well, thanks 4 ure discussions, for those really willing to discuss more about business and making money professionally in the network marketing world. and thnx for all those that understood my response to VE's defense.

Well yea, nice office at changi road, comfortable and well-contented. Hope the expansion can help me and my distributors see growth in facilities for their businesses.

Location, great as well, well unless everything that VE do is critical to some of you, which your opinions are mostly free of charge and not like you are someone imnportant to listen too anyway, so your comments definately provacative, but not interested.

I wish all in good faith for building wealth and prosperity in Network Marketing industry and happy new year. Yep, Ill be closing my account due to the fact I only intended to defend my company that have made me contribute to my family's financial being and given me more freedom and understanding about sales and business and of course, the importance of health, BUT however, I cannot stop many out there whom without even money in their pockets or a little matured brain in them provoke and make stupid baseless comments for the fun of it. I donno, jealousy or childishness, maybe both but I wish everyone reading my earlier posts understand where I am coming from.

Being in a local company is all about pride of doing something that you cancultivate from your homeland and out of Singapore. I hope Venture Era do venture out of Singapore one day and I wish all local networkers the best, even networkers from international companies. Persevere, and work hard.

For all the "kids" out there. Hope this message is provocative enough for you to reply and brand yourself as one. I was hoping to have intelligent response from adults but looks like there were many young punks trying to behave like they are already multi0millionaires, idiotic ones. Sorry for the language, my bad. Happy New Year, ill close this account soon enough!

hmm..yea. Pyramid system.

THen all I can say, for a pyramid system, it ends when its suppose to end.

to Tib74uu

Survey=illegal w/o licensing
Questionairre=collection of mass data
Collection of mass data=motive of collection
motiv of collection= to con your money and make sure you be poor for the rest of your life and give your phone number to some mafia so you can lead a miserable life for the rest of your lives. (I was just kidding... )

Every questionairre has their motives. I have answered perfume retail questionairres, HMV qns, football clubs qns etc. And they all have the same motive, to LEAD you to their products of services. Since its legal, and the gov says its ok, it is OK. Nothin to be afraid ok lil' friend. No one is going to rob you. That is why it is a job market questionairre, to access are you worthy enough to be a businessman and such. Then we can LEAD you to develop tt. duh. Of course we wanna recruit you (not you, but anybobdy else I guess) but we can't justgo to people and say "hey! Im in MLM, I got great products! Can I recruit you?!"

Corwin_2k

To Cenarious,

Good question , well the answer to that is simple. One must understand the core value of network marketing. Its a method of marketing products/services. Now, recruitment is an intent for opening new markets of consumers. Yes, everyone can be recruited, but not everyone has the means of time, energy or capacity to do it. So if you are saying half the world is recruited, then the whole world already has the products then, tt means the company should be the richest company in the world! Haha, okok back to the point. The point is, true, firstly, people live and die and born as such, that means there is always waves of people in these people to people business. Secondly, for a company to stick to one product of an ulimited lifespan is insane. Growth can equal the expansion of product lines, so consumers not only re-purchase your products, the buy newer products (which in a cause of time, technological advances might change the products greatly for peole to keep up with).

Putting in other factors like, competitor mlm companies, competitor products and such will always keep any business on a competitive edge meaning consumers/recruitment will always be given variety of choices.

I cannot really explain to you an example, but all I can say is, matematically, it is impossible to recruit half the world, cause by the time you do that half of those you have already recruited, would be dead and half more being born.

To laurence82

Well, guess I read wrong then. Sorry abt that!

But gd questions I will answer to.

1) Talking about Xerox's campaig vs. my own one man show. Yep, ya got that right. Nothing compared to mine. In fact why I pointed out Xerox's campaign was to show how a today-successful company can a long time ago be hit with similar crisis, and how measures were taken but using "voicing" methods. Like articles and events as such. Yea that was what I was pointing out. Xerox vs. VE? nope, I think Xerox damages were far greater that called for "campaigns" and Venture Era did not go for that. All said, yea there is one thing that stating abt Xerox wasn't nessacary. True.

2) Bill Gates story. Why I pointed that out was of course not to compare our success. THat would be a no-brainer. But what I truly meant was, a great company had ONCE started humbly as a pioneering and had ALSO ONCE when through what most pioneering companies in pioneering industries (software industry was new in his time and MLM, even though 60 years old, has not met its exponential growth due to it being a different business model entirely just like when firstfranchising came into the world. Took 172 years for it to swing exponentially) has gone through. So yea, If I pointed out about Venture Era, there would be no basis to show that pioneering companies will never be successful if their situation are as such. So I have to point out the best.

3) Venture Era did not recruit kids. Venture Era has no rules to say who can they recruit, mature or immatures. Nope, the only rule is above 18. And Venture Era has no ability to recruit, but their agents have. There is a difference being, the agents ARE independent and they choose whom to recruit. They can recruit 10 immature teenagers (I am not discriminating them, all I am saying is, its a worldwide known fact that immature adults have the hardest survival rate and reasonable capacity to use PROPER reasoning, like not venting anger at everyone but themselves, not being accusative, not being demanding...etc. etc.) and still the company can only train them how they train others. Am I saying 18 year olds are problematic? No. There can be 25 year old "kid" (or immature adult I shall say) whom blames the company for not getting his paycheck, when he clearly did not sell anything at all. So the company is not at fault in educating these "kids". The education system is a constant, it all depends on the uplines on how they train these "kids" since they are all different. Can "kids" be changed through the company's education system? Yes of course. Some do, some and some don't. Even the most fantastic education model cannot nurture 100% of immature adults minds. The fact that some do, shows the company's training system is reasonable and good. But those that don't stay long enough to discover themselves or be moulded to grow up through proper education? Now that happens, and that can't be controlled. Its not a blame to "kids". Again, they are facts that can't be denied especially for MLM companies since we have no hiring policy. We can improvise our training system to be so brilliant till every agent is a teenage psychologist, but that is way out of the point am I right to say? Or we could interview new recruits and chose to take them in or not, that would be brutal in the mLM way isn't it?

Well, call me Corwin. not "topicstarter".

To laurence82,

Hmm, if "topicstarter"'s starting topic is all about defending my company by blaming the black sheeps, nope, read again carefully. I did not blame the back sheeps, I merely say for an entreprenurial company whereby people are independent, there are always the people whom fall out or abuse the system without thinking of the consequences. I never blamed them for the cause of the company's image or even say that the company never takes measures.

Point One, if the company never takes measures to quell the "black sheeps", that would be the dumbest thing ever to do cause definately that would lead to the company's death quick.

Point Two, re-reading my post, I point out several factors THAT NEEDS TO BE DEFENDED, it was never a post to BLAME ALL THE FACTORS TO A TARNISHED IMAGE cause If you read carefully, I did not claim the company's image to be tarnished. Haha, that would defeat the purpose in defending, cause in defending, I am more or less pointing out, what untrue things people are claiming, or passing around, or misjudging about the company based on mere "opinions" (and not expert opinions).

Point Three, are there people whom are not in the company yet support the reliability of the company? Are there peopl whom are againts the company based on their persectives which I already cleared in "starting topic"? Answer for both, yes there are. The point is, the company tremendous support of people outside (legitimate support, like approval of the company's authencity in terms of products, service and structured compensation plans and education system) shows that the company's image is not tarnished. The company is abused, but never tarnished. My defination of tarnish is majority of the people hates the company and that would result in its closure I suppose. Every company in the world can be abused. What you mean Microsoft was never abused by their people when they started out? Read their history journals. You would be shocked.

Point Four, you are very wrong about one thing. One case, Xerox coporation was badly hit through product credibility in their first 8 years of operation. And they had to come out a 3 year campaign to voice out their credibility by sidelining their distributors to those that are following the protocols, and those that are not. They made use of legal campaigns, mass media and even events to just point out that their INDEPENDENT distributors (bot like MLM, but independent distributing companies that will distribute mostly based on their own provate resources) were abusing the protocol. They couldn't break contract with these independent firms because most of the stocks were already given to them. But by raising the public's awarness or "sympathy" (thats what you call it, which I think is greatly absurd because business requires no "sympathy" even a defndant. They require clarity of facts. Symphaty is like saying "hey! pity us, we are already so abused because of the bad guys does not make us still bad!"), Xerox was able to continue progress. The customers were educated about the situation and prepared for choosing Xerox modified (fake) products from the correct ones. And is this the only case that happens? NO! There were many mostly pioneering companies whom had to struggle through these phase of over-doing abusers.

Putting it on a smaller-scale, VE is definately doing their part in ensuring proper image. Also remeber, "topicstarter" was not sent by VE. He defended his company by his own accord. Meaning you falsely claim that companies such as mine blames the "black sheeps" for being out of control (and I did not say "out of control" like how you meant it to be- read properly) is totally false because the company did not do such things. Tsk tsk, how could you? *kidding.....BUT I, a VOICED OPINION, did!. And I did not "blame"! I merely pointed out things.

Simply put, re-read "topicstarter's starting post"

Cheers
Corwin_2k

I think you have poined out some good questions.

But I have to answer the questions as MLM as a whole rather then VE itself. For both questions, I suppose. The first being: "young, easily exploited". Well, I think that conclusion is not so in tact cause if you go to those top companies like Amway and Belair, their seminars shows similar "get rich" visions but mostly to an adult audience and if you say its more exploited to youngsters, trust me, these adults are "exploited" just the same. Alot of them commit a decision just through one or two seminars. So, young or old, dosen't matter. Its just an MLM age group trend in pioneering companies (mostly local companies cause they are all less than 10 yrs old), generally has a young age group, for pioneering purposes.

Comes to the next point, "exploitation" through igniting desires and vision of being rich. Firstly, you need to know: what is MLM? MLM is a business model but it is more of a conversion of mindset from the employee world to the business world. Basically, to me, MLM is a starting ground for entreprenuers. The conversion process of this is very tough because of the education system that has developed amongst everyone to have a mindset of being an employee (not that I am againts that, I do understand that generally the education system needs to prepare the a "skilled workforce" more than entreprenuers). And because of this, Majority of the people in the world have to be given the correct understanding of why must I do business? What is the ultimate purpose? Why do I have to sloth myself and risk myself to do business?

The answer is simple: it is a way to be wealthy. Of course you can be a sportsman (a high paying employee), but you still do not have assets that can serve generations after generations unless Beckham produces 20 other mini-beckhams. You can also be a president (a very high paying employee) of a company but like I said, you cannot pass your presidential post to your son can you? In so, MLM is ALSO one of the most successful business models in the world. I am suprised to see post that people saying, its the hardest job there is, because in the Guiness Book of Records, AMWAY has a record of creating more multi-millionaires then any company in the world.

If you talk about job, yes, Business Vs Job, definately Business are far worst in terms of hardship even though the returns would be big in the future. Also its far to risky. Talking about Business models that are available, trust me, Traditional Businesses are way harder to operate and maintain then MLM. Firstly, MLM requires you no overheads to maintain and that means you are given practically everything, even stocks available to you with information about the products already researched. You even have an office to operate in FOC. Alot of people feel that MLM is tough, because they are comparing it in terms of job.

Hence, after understanding this, in MLM seminars they have to paint a picture that ultimately, doing business is about early retirement, having a luxurious lifestyle and being wealthy. You do not see NON MLM companies doing this because, they are addressing employees not businessmen, and that would be a blatant false picture to paint. MLM is a business model and they have to paint tht kind of image, no one would know why they have to go through the hardship of selling.

Imagine, as a stonge-employee for 20 yrs in the working world, you have no idea that business is a way to be wealthier, you are shown uniquely interesting products, you are shown the company comp. plan and the first thing that pops up in your mind is "DAMN, NO WAY. IM NOT GOING TO BE A SALESMAN. WHATS THE POINT?" Why this thought, because you see no purpose and value in the product or compensation plan! The value to you is just HARD SELLING and RECRUITING OTHERS TO HARD SELL FOR YOU. MLM companies have to paint a "dream" for people its because of its nature of being a business model that gives the opputunity to average people to be part of the top 10% of the wealth factor in the country. Think of it, there is a reason why working as an employee, your interviewer or boss NEVER promise you a retirement vision of a boat, a car or a bungalow. Because an employee does not have that kind of power. (Some may argue that yes, there are wealthy employees, but wealth is measured in terms o how many generations can you feed, then just can you give the best to your own generation).

The other question of magnetic therapy on retail? Well, As a distributor, yes you can sell your mag therapy products to retailers for them to sell for you. No MLM company would tell you not to do that. But for the MLM company to solely use retail as a way of marketing, then it defeats the purpose of MLM don't you think so? The trillion dollar wellness industry in the future as said by many economists, will be an educative business model, where people are sold products based on information and compassionate service (that means personal touch of service. You are served by an honest agent). Simply said, future economists doubt the fact that putting a magnetic therapy bed even in a world-class retail shop would draw the same gravity compared to 50-100 independent distributors with 50-100 distributors under them educating the public about magnetic therapy in a single day, hence increase sales revenue and profits. Like I said again, if you have a retailer who is willing to buy from you 10 magnetic beds every month, than tt is your luck! I can further explain the speed of MLM compared to traditional/conventional marketing methods, but it would take long. Just, more universities world-wide in marketing and business courses are educating the publing about Multi-Level MARKETING or Network MARKETING. Havard has! Even Michigan and Oxford School of Business has Network Marketing modules.

Well to point out another of your question. I have to admit, I have no idea what other MLM companies potray in educating their agents but for VE, being in it, we are once in a while reminded of our purpose, but our leaders strictly & I mean STRICTLY emphasize on faith in the products and business plan so as we do not go out of focus. Even though flexibility is encouraged, having not much faith in the products and business plan would lead many to be lost and felt CHEATED. Venture Era shows a younger retirement and wealthier dream, but they never emphasize it. We too believe that hard work is needed to get this dreams. That is why the leaders constantly share their experiences, and they are not smooth sailing 3 months success journeys, but interesting journeys of ups and downs and how they tackle them. This to me is proper education.
Corwin

laurence82, sorry for the mishap that I have done by posting another topic.

And yea, definately, Ill shut up, O mighty one. AMWAY, NUSKAIN, BELAIR ain't my comparison. They are far to huge for a pioneer defendant who sounds like he has no idea what he has got himself into, to actually compare with. They have millions of bucks to impress you. I have nothing.

Just for clarification, not for starting an argument cause seriously I didn't catch you. Saying blaiming the public for their incompetence, eh, did you say I said that? Oh man, if I really do, real sorry. No idea I caused such misintepretations. Oh did I get it wrong? Or is that a hypothical remark?

Laurence82, seems you are really not in the swing of this industry. Well can't blame you. Its a argumentative business model anyway.

Corwin_2k

I guess you are right Wong

Well, thnx and I did told myself, writing in this forum is onlyto defend my company with ONE post. And its so people that come here are not blinded by the flammers. Well, other than tt, I'll only answer PM, haha although it's quite TEMPTING to jus reply those flammers, ya know what I mean. After all, I am a networker you know, I thrive on challengers.

Well, but I agree with you. I won't be here long anyway, jus one post and a few tempted replies (oh man...forums are like drugs! aaaarghH!) jus kidding.

Thnx for your compliments anyway!

Cheers

Hey there everyone.

[quote]Honestly speaking, I really dont see how good Multi-Level Marketing can be. If they are really that good, why're the recruitment of employees always aimed at young teenagers?

That's because at a young age, youngsters are generally easier to be psychoed into doing such kinda business because most of them've not seen the world just as yet. Of course, an employee of Venture Era would definitely defend their company, who else wont if they are not loyal freaks to them? [/quote]

DO your homework on the first 200 people who started DELL and you should know there were mostly average aged of 23. Is it wrong to be young? Does teenagers nowadays become so always labelled naïve? You strike a nerve. If you know what is BUSINESS, my friend, you would decide yourself what is right or wrong. Teenager does not equal “easily pychoed”. If you are trying to imply that, I do not know how DELL, AT&T, USANA have make it very big cause after research, their pioneers were relatively TEENAGERS. Simple, you join as a teenager, you have not enough skills to talk much but you HAVE to recruit people. You start by recruiting 40 yr old people, and being more experienced then you are, they laugh at you and ridicule you. You like that? Trust me, do it, you would see what I mean. But if let say you already are a manager, ample skills and experience at your fingertips. You think you would be afraid to recruit your angry 50 yr old uncle? Well, my point being, its natural to see young people active. Venture Era do have 40 and 50 yr old agents but do you see them? Nope, why? They have families to feed. Running a business requires dedication. Anyway it is not a policy that Venture Era only recruits young people. We can recruit anyone. But if Im 21, definitely im more comfortable bringing my 21 yr old friends in as my business partners. When the company grows big like Amway and USANA ans it goes global, you will see more people like doctors and lawyers joining just like they did at AMWAY. It take time my friend for this kind of growth and vision. If Venture Era’s agents are now all 50 yr olds, and all of them disappear after 7 to their families, trust me, VE would never go global. J

Multi-Level Marketing is really not a industry good to work in because you make use of one another inside the industry. Imagine, you being recruited by your upline, work so hard to sell those I-dont-know-if-they-ever-can-be-trusted-products but have half your profits going to your upline and you not getting what you're supposed to get. Then you, recruiting others to do the same, sell the products and have half of their profits credited to you?

Oh, you seriously do not know what is BUSINESS. Let me educate you (but I think you should educate yourself first). You run your own business, a computer shop with a unique data chip product. Would you for the rest of your life stand outside your shop saying “PEANUT CHIPS! COME TO MY SHOP! LELONG! A DOLLOR AND 50 CENTS! MUCH BETTER THAN MICROSOFT”S!”? Or would you find other distributing channels like, distributors, contractors and agents, retailers at sim-line? Now, aren’t you MAKING USE of them too? Why? Because if Sim-line does not sell your product, they do not make the money and YOU do not make the money. There is a bigger elaboration, but if you know business, you ould know the power of leverage! Its what have been keeping the world economy up for many centuries. Simple, why oh why wouldn’t I want to make money for my upline, when he provided me with an office, did not demand me a single cent to maintain the office, provide me with training, provide me with free seminars of motivation and make bucks because of these? If you knoe Business, you know how shareholders split their profits and you know how business partners round the world split their profits. That is business!

Let me explain why motivations & seminars're involved inside Venture Era. It's only there to project what's being done externally. You need people with high morale to sell the products. You need people with motivation to sell the products, You need people with faith in your products for sales. You need to brainwash people to trust your products.

Who would want to keep your company in low spirits? People wont've confidence to sell. You'll've no income. I heard that they often emphasise on hardwork and share their experience up the business ladder? Who're you kidding?

“Brainwash” again. Sigh. Imagine Bill Gates in front of 50 first people in Microsoft telling them “HEY! This product actually dosen’t work! You know what, lets do this quick and be rich by scamming people! Want to know my journey up the business world? I got rejected 5000 times! Yea! Wooho! Fun eh?! Im a nerd! You ll will be like me one day! But its ok to scam and be rich nerds right?! Wahahahah!”
You catch my point? Obviously you have not worked in a successful MNC company before cause if you have, you would know that they always have motivational seminars by their leaders, events, music and dance just to keep their people focus and upbeat. Especially when your people are doing business, they are not paid to do their jobs, they are MAKING money by creating assets (like more distributors). Well, do not worry, want to learn more? Read marketing books like E-myth. They tell you important things about the world of marketing your image, er I mean the world of “brainwashing”. Ahem*!.

Can anyone account for whether what they've said's true? Who knows you might be boasting your figures & stuff? It's not a scam. But vicious attempts to push for sales.

All I can answer is, Bill Gates: “YOU KNOW WHAT?! IM EARNING PEANUTS STILL EVEN THOUGH IM HERE FOR ALREADY 5 years running this god damn company!LOOK! Even our cleaner woman is not paid! Microsoft will never make it! WHY?! CAUSE I STARTED IT YET I DO NOT MAKE ANY CENT! DAMN! YOU ALL SHOULD JUST QUIT! ITS NOT WORTH IT I TELL YOU!”

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One question I would like to ask Venture Era people here.

I see a common trend inside every account of people who've visited Venture Era to find out what it's like inside.

Why is it that after you people promote and demonstrate the products inside that bloody office of you people, the manager must appear? To recruit people from their own customers? Pardon me lah, people. Why are you people soooo power-hungry? sooooo money-hungry? soooo authority-hungry? All for the sake of what? Promotion, promotion so that you people'll get MORE commission from you people's sales. I'm sure I'm not wrong about this.

Hehe. If you are my downline, I DEFINITELY won’t allow you to present to your own customer. My point is, if you are unequipped and not ready to be sharp in you talking to prospects, why would you want to tarnish your prospect by screwin it up? Simple fact, your managers are your up. Sometimes they appear to help you so that you get the most out of the prospect. And that is business! To get most out of the prospect. Is it wrong recruiting customers? Haha. You want to know something? Steven Jobbs first partner was his customer who bought the first beta mainframe of macintosh. Steve saw that this guy had big network of market behind him so Steve persuaded him to be partners. Mind you, Apple was nothing at that time, really NOTHING. If you come to the cooperate world of business, you would know that recruitment is not wrong. The manager will not recruit the person for his or herself. They are helping you close your deal at the same time get a strong downline for you! Of course he gets the profits too but how selfish are you? The poor manager helps you by providing you the training and even closing the deal for you. Of course, that again you do not know business.

Conclusion: Multi-Level Marketeers are just a bunch of people who have no life. The higher you get, the more money you get, the more people you make use of to get what you want. Often you people're ambitious to even talk about CARS.

I think your dream should be talking about horses and a mud house and an ugly wife/husband. Im sure you would get it then. (not to insult you, seriously, its just a point) MLM people has the most life actually. They get to control their own freedom, their own income without a ceiling, they can retire early, the harder they work in the beginning, the more relaxed they can be in the future. Its not only MLM, its business! But the beautiful thing about MLM that separate us from YOU (and that’s only you) is that, our business makes people rich, for us to be richer. You are being rich, at the same time you are giving a future to man people that you recruit. Yes some would fall out and be like you, but I bet you a million bucks, you can never be as rich at Gates, if you have not persevered like him. Of course that’s if you want a horse, a mud house and an ugly spouse. Then I have no comments.

http://www.venture-eragroup.com.sg. Really, check out their forums and you'll see much of the ugly side of them. 1st millionaire, type of cars they want. READ people.

Yea! People read! And hope you understand that they believe and they will get it! So do not discourage them yea? They are not doing a wrong thing. They are just telling themselves “hey, I know I can be a millionaire and drive a BMW. I am that confident about myself”. I’ll wait for the day someone post on VE forum that his dream is to live in a mud house and have 40 babies because he cant do anything better then tt.

PS. SORRY for the long post again! I promise I’ll be brief next time yea? J