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    1,419 posts since Nov '11
    • Originally posted by BroInChrist:

      Eh, he's a she lah! I just discovered it when she told me she's not a he.

      Psst...no wonder I keep feeling that Tcmc sounds a little bitchy...oh sorry that wasn't very gentleman of me to say that, but you know what I mean ya? The internet Urban dictionary defines bitchy as an adjective that's supposed to be used to describe someone irritable, moody and whiny.

      But you sound very bitchy too.

      Mayb a man-bitch!

      I remember someone here calling you bitch-I-C

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    1,419 posts since Nov '11
    • Originally posted by BroInChrist:

      Demon Bane,

      The laws of gravity are such because God established them and upholds them. That's why the universe is intelligible and we can go about our science and discover how things work, because God who is rational and orderly created the world to be such.

      I am no more assigning names than you are in calling things "karma", "good", "evil". We should not despise the use of words, they are meaningful for communication.

      I do have some knowledge of Buddhism, and there's no harm trying to explain things as simple as possible to the best of your ability. That's what I have been doing anyway for the Christian faith.

      BIC

      Please specify which God because it could mean Allah, Jesus, Jehovah, YHWH, Sikh God or Lord Brahma.

      Or you mean God in general?

      Edited by Tcmc 20 Dec `11, 1:34PM
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    1,419 posts since Nov '11
    • Originally posted by Jacky Woo:

      thats hilarious icon_lol.gif warped reply from you zealots. I cannot you but to term you with  your brethrens here.

      I dunno why you bring humans limitations out? you think I dunno or we dunno human limitations, need you to say? anyway the question is on god, if he can create something he cant create. probably you are diverting attention to human limitations away from this qns. you can say whatever you like, but still the qns is not answered. anyway I already knew the reply, just want to see you zealots reply on this qns. you can give anything but the answer to the qns angel.png Am I surprised? absolutely not.

      talking abour great thinkers? does it not  include stephen hawkings and Buddha as well? 

      anyway I shall not waste my time replying because your reasonings and logic are as warped as your brethrens. anything but the question angel.png otherwise its illogical and incoherent repliesicon_mrgreen.gif

      1000 likes!

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    • Originally posted by BroInChrist:

      Tcmc,

      1. But I am NOT against speaking in tongues. I made that clear. Which part you did not understand?

      2. Prostitution is legalised too. So am I being seditious to say that it is immoral? Think before you talk about the law. If something is legal then it only means the law of the country does not forbid it. It is just the legal status of the religion, not a truth declaration.

      3. Let me remind you that the law is not so frivolously invoked like the way you do it. The founder of the Mormon church said that all denominations are corrupt (bet you didn't know that), are you offended on my behalf?

      1. Yea you are not against tongues but you are against charasmatic form of tongues is it?

      2. In fact, you are already breaking the law. But just that its very unlikely any mormon will come by and report you. 

      Anyway, I really admire mormons for their grace. You know why?

      I have personally asked a mormon leader before about other christians insulting their religion and why they wont call the police.

      He said that mormons are gracious and tolerant. :)

      Pls learn from them and refrain from insulting

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    1,419 posts since Nov '11
    • Originally posted by BroInChrist:

      A law must have a lawgiver. How does an impersonal thing judge?

      Thats why i SAID because you think linearly, buddhism is too deep for you

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    1,419 posts since Nov '11
    • Originally posted by BroInChrist:

      Tcmc,

      1. You failed to look at my perspective. Anyway you are clearly trolling here. Now you are arguing that nothing in the Bible is applicable today because it was all written in the first century. But why should you, an apostate who has no proper foundation in Bible study, be the judge of what the Scripture says? You show me one reputed Bible teacher who agree with you. Just one. I am not interested in your imaginary Christian friend. More likely you are just invoking people so that you can say it's not you say one. The usual hiding behind somebody tactic.

      2. Now I now why you demonise me. LOL! Anyway, the Mormons have been classed as cults because their doctrines DEVIATE from orthodox creeds. Not only that, the claims of Mormonism's founders have been tested and found wanting. I suppose you did not know that.

      1. My charasmatic friend is real. He was the one who told me that. :) Because i was from a tongue speaking church and my pastor told me that christians who say modern day tongues are fake are against HS. My EXpastor told me that.

      2. You are bordering on Sedition Act. In Singapore, Mormonism is a legalised christian denomination.

      Please refrain from demonising other religions.

      Let me remind you the christian couple who demonised ISlam and Catholicism - they were jailed and fined.

      I am just saying some Mormon might come round and see your comments and get offended.

       

      And i never demonised your religion.

      My stand throughout this discussion has always been to look at all christian denominations and religions and try to understand them better, instead of sticking to one perspective!

      Edited by Tcmc 20 Dec `11, 12:32PM
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    • Originally posted by BroInChrist:

      Demon Bane,

      I understand this. The point is that the law must be given, and this by somebody. The law is not impersonal because an impersonal thing or force cannot enforce something that is moral. Only moral beings can hold moral beings morally accountable. The Bible teaches that a personal God, not an impersonal force, upholds the whole of creation and judges the world in righteousness. He will reward the righteous and punish the wicked, not capriciously but in accordance to His holy nature. God is not present in all things, but He created the universe and interacts with His creation.

      BIC,

      Yea!

      Islam and Sikhism also teach about a personal God, a moral authority! :))

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    1,419 posts since Nov '11
    • Originally posted by zocoss:

       

      Dann suffers ruptured testicle

       

      Scott Dann
      SIDELINED ... Scott Dann

       

       

       

      BLACKBURN defender Scott Dann has been ruled out for six weeks with a ruptured testicle.

      The former Birmingham centre-back scored as Rovers crashed to a 2-1 defeat against West Brom at Ewood Park on Saturday.

      He played the full 90 minutes but under-fire boss Steve Kean has confirmed Dann faces a lengthy spell on the sidelines.

      Kean said: Kean said: "Our physio cannot believe it.

      "He has two players out with problems that he has never come across before in all of his years experience.

      "Scott Dann has come in and played so well to replace Phil Jones, but in our last match he was hurt and it now transpires he will be out for six weeks with a ruptured testicle."

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      Sure become gay because of reduced male hormones!

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    1,419 posts since Nov '11
    • Originally posted by sgdiehard:

      If your limited knowledge, of course.

      Same to you regarding buddhism and its concepts.

      Limited knowledge of yours, of course.

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    • Originally posted by sgdiehard:

      hehehe...definitely difficult to prove....icon_lol.gif

      as difficult as proving that jonah lived in a fish stomach 4000 years ago :))

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    • Originally posted by sgdiehard:

      I said " if you are in Saudi...." where you are now doesn't really matter to me.

      sgdiehard

       

      But you want biblical laws to be appiled in singapore or not? just curious

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    1,419 posts since Nov '11
    • Originally posted by BroInChrist:

      On a high level note, different religions at least recognise some things in common.

      1. There is a supernatural realm with supernatural beings.

      2. There is sin. Humans are morally screwed up.

      3. There is a need to make atonement for sin. Someone needs to be appeased.

      4. There is judgement for sin.

      5. There is a heaven to go and a hell to avoid.

      6. People seek salvation. Salvation is provided.

      Now the above are merely the broad themes I can think of that are common to all religions. One question is, how come all have the same themes? Let's set aside the differing details for the moment.

       

      All points I can agree except for 5 and 6.

      Clearly shows your lack of understanding of other religions.

       

      5. In Judaism and many sects of Buddhism, there are no heavens and hells.

      6. Salvation is very subjective. It is not always in terms of heaven or hell.

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    1,419 posts since Nov '11
    • Originally posted by BroInChrist:

      Tcmc,

      1. For the record, I am NOT against speaking in tongues. Why should I set myself against the Holy Spirit? All I am telling you is that 1 Cor 12-14 tells us how tongues should be exercised and I am of the view that churches in general or charismatic churches in particular do not abide by that.

      2. And here you are demonising me for refusing to acknowledge Mormons as Christians, when you have little clue as to what Mormons believe? Who is more hypocritical? Anyone claiming to be a Christian means he is? Jesus says that in the last days people will claim to be Christ, so you just believe also out of respect?

       

      BIC

       

      1. Hmm clearly you have failed to look at the charasmatic christian's perspective! You always fail in looking at other's perspectives. According to the charasmatic, their tongues is Holy Spirit inspired! And that 1 Cor 12 is to be applicable for the Corinth church only! So according to them, you are actually setting up yourself against the HS.

      I mean, according to them. What do you say? Cos this is what my charasmatic friend told me.

       

      2. SOrry I know about Mormons maybe more than you and that is why I do not demonise them or border on demonising them.

      People only demonise others when they are ignorant!

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    1,419 posts since Nov '11
    • Originally posted by BroInChrist:

      Tcmc,

      1. Why do you insist that I take on the prerogative of God? Define a good Christian now. So you want me to say he is bound for heaven. But 10 days later he did something wrong, then you want me to say he is bound for hell? But then 20 days later he repented and you want me to say he is bound for heaven? Is that what you want me to do? I already stated my stand clearly. You clearly have problems understanding a clear statement of my beliefs!

      2. Regarding my Paradise statement, Jesus said that the thief would be WITH JESUS. Regardless of what people may think, wouldn't you agree with me that to be with Jesus is what eternal life is all about? It just shows that now you are raising up objections even when it have no substance. Admit it, you have no refutation at all.

      3. Are you 100% sure that no Christian can be 100% sure about what God said? Are you 100% sure that the Bible can never be 100% clear in what it communicates? You are confused about being infallible and being 100% of certain things. The Bible says that the Gospels were written so that one may believe and know he has eternal life. But you are saying that even that clear statement cannot be sure.

      BIC

      1. End of day, you would have to agree with me that christians are bound by faith and works. :) It says so in the bible that faith without deeds is dead! Same - faith and deeds

      2. Already showed you verses but you close your eyes and say lalalala

      3. My point regarding interpretation has always been - Christians interpret verses differently and no christian should be 100% sure that they are correct with their interpretation

       

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    1,419 posts since Nov '11
    • Originally posted by sgdiehard:


      If you are in Saudi Arabia, they will tell you to be answerable to whatever law they have.

      Ya but we are in Singapore mah..

      SO we dont have to answer to sharia law or biblical laws.

      Only if you in Vatican city you might have to answer to SOME biblical laws!

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    1,419 posts since Nov '11
    • Originally posted by sgdiehard:

      It is for you to decide, that is my last sentence! who is asking you to answer to sharia law or christian law?

      You did say or imply that we have to answer to biblical/christian laws!

      "Of course there is a higher moral yardstick for man going into eternity, that is set by God. .."

       

      Dont you believe that we have to answer to God's law one day?

      So I am just reminding you that not everyone has to answer or want to answer to biblical/christian laws! :)

      Cos not everyone is a christian mah!

       

      Edited by Tcmc 20 Dec `11, 11:45AM
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    • Originally posted by sgdiehard:

      not trying to get in between your discussion with BIC on this subject. We are answerable to the local laws where we are. You can't bring fruits or honey from melbourne to perth but nobody will check you for taking some drugs around. In Singapore, you are free to bring in any fruits but if you carry more than 15 gm of drugs, you will be hanged. The countries set the law, and that is the yardstick on how far you can go, here is nothing fair or not fair.

      You will also be answerable to your own conscience. Do you feel at ease if you steal from somebody? that is your moral yardstick.

      There is also a higher legal yardstick set by government, an american company set up a plan in Vietnam, they will have to follow the pollution control yardstick in america AND in Vietnam.

      Of course there is a higher moral yardstick for man going into eternity, that is set by God. In your case whoever in your Buddhist religion. The moral yardstick for religion and local government may be different, e.g. abortion is legal in Singapore, but it is against the moral yardstick set by God.

      Ultimately, which yardstick will prevail, to whom you will have to be answerable? that is for man to decide.

      sgdiehard

       

      1. Yes we have to answer to legal courts and civil laws

      2. But we dont have to answer to sharia law (islam religious law) OR biblical law (christian religious law), UNLESS you want us to be a theocratic society.

      You know whats theocratics? Like Saudi Arabia?, but christian version?

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    1,419 posts since Nov '11
    • Originally posted by BroInChrist:

      Better still, why don't you take the next one hour and read up a couple of online commentaries and then we talk? Like I said, I am not your answering machine and neither do I owe you answers on demand.

      No need lah.

      Simply put , like what depondent said (hes christian)

      Easy verses - literal

      Difficult verses - metaphorical

       

      Thats the essence.

      yea there are LOTS of "explanations" but in essence thats it!

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    • Originally posted by BroInChrist:

      Tcmc,

      1. Putting words in my mouth again? Again I see no need to respond to troll questions.

      2. Yes, many would disagree. But no reason to agree with you that therefore no one is right or can be right.

      3. It's one thing to interpret a text differently, it's another to DENY what the text clearly says. Mormons do not just have problems with Christ deity, they have a host of doctrines that put themselves clearly outside of Christian orthodoxy. But then again, how much do you know about Mormonism? My guess? Nuts. Sorry I am not being gentleman. It should be, zip zero nada.

      BIC

       

      1. No. But clearly you are against modern day tongues, right? Or what? Clarify?

      2. Oh no, you just said dont demonise other christians, now you are doing it, or BORDERING on demonising Mormon christians...

      Hypocrite. 

      PLEASE RESPECT MORMON CHRISTIANS. They recently released a news article in straits times educating people that they are christians too!

      Edited by Tcmc 20 Dec `11, 11:41AM
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    • Originally posted by BroInChrist:

      But the problem is that YOU are not being logical or coherent!

      Did Dawkins claim divine inspiration for his books? LOL!

      OH so you only look out for DIVINE inspiration?

      Then i guess you only see hindu scriptures, quran, sikh scriptures and bibles as inspiration!

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    • Originally posted by BroInChrist:

      Tcmc,

      You will ALWAYS have a problem with Christianity because all you are doing is trying to find justification to confirm your own rejection of the faith. You never had a good reason for leaving the faith, so now you trying to find anything that sticks.

      Oh so you are a she? My bad. I should be nicer to you then. Again truths don't change. If it does, then the statement "truths change" can change to "truths don't change" any time soon?

      Inspiration is not a baseless statement. Please, and I am being gentle on you now, go read up on Christian doctrine.

      1. LOL. No if you could explain your points logically and coherently i will believe ! But so far you have not!

      2. Too broad and general! Quran and Hindu Scriptures are all inspiration too! Richard Dawkins' books are too! OR You choose which are inspiration again?

      Edited by Tcmc 20 Dec `11, 11:25AM
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    • Originally posted by sgdiehard:


      God exists way before man knows how to write, and man believe in God way before there was any science. at least you come to your senses that science cannot prove everything. Now get your timing and logic right, that is scientific.

      Please prove that 

      1. god exist way before man

      2. your god is the one that exist before man, and not the other hundreds of gods

       

      Well if you cant prove, you can explain sensibly, and with logic.

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    • Originally posted by BroInChrist:

      Tcmc,

      1. I already answered you, tongues are a gift from the Holy Spirit. The issue with charismatic churches today stems from the practice of it. Read 1 Cor 12-14 and you will see how tongues should be exercised. But then again, you will have an interpretation issue ya? LOL!

      2. Strawman argument again. No Christian I know says that God is telling them audibly or through a trance or vision concerning what a passage means. There is no short cut to be an approved student of the Word of God.

      3. Yes, we do interpret differently, that's why there is always room for healthy debate, but not demonising those who disagree with us over matters that are peripheral and not essential. Of course people like you who lack maturity cannot handle debate over differing Bible interpretation.

      BIC

       

      1. So are you saying the modern day charismatic churches are not doing the "real tongues"? 1 Cor 12? Read IN CONTEXT FRIEND! Paul was only speaking to the church then!!! What happen to your in context???? Or you choose again???? Buffet ah?

      2. Ya many trained pastors and "approved students of the word of god" would disagree wiith you too about 1 Cor 12!

      3. Yea I agree you shouldnt demonise or say the other camp is wrong just because your interpretation is different! For e.g Mormons interpret jesus to be not God. So you should not say they are wrong! Just live and let live!

       

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    • Originally posted by BroInChrist:

      Tcmc,

      1. Is "winged creature" an inconvenient word? Inconvenient to who? To Bible bashers only when they know that they don't have a case.

      2. Yes, truths don't change. Of that I am sure. Otherwise, when you are dead in a 100 years and someone says you are a girl will you say it is true? Truth changes mah! Duh!

      3. I already answered you. Inspiration is only extended to the Autographs, not to the copies. But if you failed to marvel at what textual criticism has accomplished for us, then it only shows you are ignorant of it.

      BIC

      Again failed to read.

       

      1. I have problems with why an allpowerful entity has to use such an inconvenient word and then allow the scribes to translate wrongly to "bird" and when he knew all this would mess up. :) You still didnt read ah? Why he already know it will mess up then he still use the winged word?

      2. I am a girl, so please be gentleman ok! Anyway, some truths change and some truths dont change! So you were wrong, partially! Dont be simpleminded!

      3. Lol. Baseless statements. "inspiration". What a broad and general term.

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    • Originally posted by BroInChrist:

      That's because I have learned to discern by reading up, looking at contexts, etc etc, the very essential things that you FAILED to do.

      Explain to me how then you choose to read matt 5 in context, but matt 28 to be applicable through time?

      Explain to me why when both commandments are direct instructions from jesus, that you choose one to be a hyberbole and the other not?

      And do you agree with despondent who said that generally christians obey the "easy commandments" only?