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    10,430 posts since May '12
    • Do you think Singapore will go HK or UK style in future with almost all DD fleets and only a few SDs here and there??

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    • Originally posted by iveco:

      197 is the result of merger with the old 41.

      Anyway, some of the NEL cuts were harsh. PGL is the only suburb with no bus service to CBD as a result. I hope 62 can be extended to Marina South ITH when it opens.

      even if 62 is extended to CBD, will anyone take 62 to CBD??? 

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    10,430 posts since May '12
    • Take Marine Parade as an example. There is an exodus of services running in parallel between Marine Parade and Bedok. 

      16, 31, 155, 196, 197. Are so many needed? No. 197 already is too long, should have been truncated to say Eunos or go to Bedok via Still road, Kembangan, Chai Chee to Bedok, this way at least you connect Kembangan and Chai Chee to Katong and Parkway Parade (no connection today). 

      Likewise UEC has too many duplicative sectors. 

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    • Originally posted by array88:

      I have a sense of feeling that some CCL-duplicating routes will also be affected soon... After all, KBW didn't make that statement specific to DTL.

      They should look at all route overall and modify routes that do not have enough loading and get them to connect new areas. Important to have more point-to-point connections and reduce long route duplications.

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    • Originally posted by array88:

      I have a sense of feeling that some CCL-duplicating routes will also be affected soon... After all, KBW didn't make that statement specific to DTL.

      They should look at all route overall and modify routes that do not have enough loading and get them to connect new areas. Important to have more point-to-point connections and reduce long route duplications.

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    • Originally posted by SBS2792K:

      but personally i still feel getting 117 to go in better, more connections and better frequency also

      In spite of 883, 117 should also go in to Canberra estate as it further connects to Khatib, Seletar Circus and Punggol. 

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    • Originally posted by SBS2792K:

      136 also leh... PM peak always full from amk int

      Really?? But there is 133 to help out there + 262. 

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    • Originally posted by CZT:

      i still rmb some ppl still complaining 883 is useless when it was introduced. hehe...

      Well... it was introduced way before its time... Just like 944 going empty right now... 944 will be packed to door in mid 2018... same way 883 spent many months with less than 10 pax on the bus or even totally empty buses. 

      Of course 883 is required for Canberra estate with the huge number of flats... just like 944 is required for BBT West town. 

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    • Is it true that from 1 Jan 2019 there will be no 0405Gs anymore??? This means Singapore will be left with only 40 bendies. ugly.png

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    • Originally posted by SBS2792K:

      Service 883

       

      1 AP SD > 1 AP DD

      Good move. Certain AM slots can get upto 60-70 pax per bus, and this loading will increase given more flats are TOP and occupancy is on rise. Loading is higher towards Yishun than Sembawang. 

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    • They can already do away with 128. Loading has been low for quite some time now. 128 cannot compete NSL. 

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    • Loading on svc 49 @ 17.50 from Jurong East DD

      Jurong East Interchange -- 29 (0/29)... around 21 out of 29 on upper deck

      Jurong East Central -- 31 (0/2)

      Boon Lay Way -- 33 (0/2), 34 (-3/4)

      Jurong Townhall Road -- 36 (-2/4)

      AYE -- 39 (0/3), 40 (-1/2), 39 (-4/3)

      Yung Ho Rd -- 38 (-3/2)

      Corporation Dr -- 36 (-4/2), 31 (-8/3)

      Yuan Ching Rd -- 30 (-5/4), 27 (-6/3)

      Tah Ching Rd -- 30 (-1/4)

      Corporation Dr -- 32 (-6/8), 40 (-2/10)

      Corporation Rd -- 74 (0/34) ... interesting to see such high loading at one stop before Lakeside MRT.

      Lakeside MRT -- 59 (-41/26)

      JW St 51 -- 74 (0/15), 75 (-2/3)

      Jurong West Ave 1 -- 60 (-18/3)... I alighted here.

      ** Good demand between Lakeside and JW St 42... interesting that many people choose to board at st 51 though considerable number also board at Lakeside MRT

      ** Loading is decent between Jurong East and Taman Jurong

      ** DDs seem to be doing a decent job on this service! 

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    10,430 posts since May '12
    • Originally posted by Marvel68:

      I'm also interested in doing loading analysis because I will be freer these days and I'm wondering how you guys do it ah? Like do you guys adhere to a patricular timing of a day to do counting (e.g during AM/PM peaks) and how do you keep tab of passenger movement for each stop especially for routes with high loading (Pen & Paper or counter?).

      I usually do it only peak hours as it is more accurate reflection. I note it on my phone for every stop (easiest way to do it). If on a double decker, I sit on the window seat in the 5th row. Better to take from first stop as you can get your preferred seat and do a full loading analysis or till a certain point. 

       

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    • Originally posted by SG1131L:

      Would like to announce that 248 is my last bus loading observation.

      This is because I have covered all the BSEP bus services that were launched this year but have not yet been covered prior to the creation of this account.

      374 and 381 has been partially covered by BusAnalayzer in page 44 of this thread. I don’t know why he don’t want to do the full trip. Nonetheless, at least it’s something.

      Unfortunately, after today, I won’t have time to do bus loading observation. Don’t ask why, and please don’t speculate. I no longer have the time to do bus loading observation, as I have other priorities to attend to.

      As such, I shall leave the future bus loading observations to BusAnalayzer and other forum participants.

      Thank you all for your accommodation in these few days as I embarked on a mission to help you all fill up the gap as many BSEP bus services since 381 had not been covered.

      Now, my job is done, and I am glad that my contribution has helped the forum move on and soar for greater heights.

      As mentioned, I no longer have the time to do bus loading observation, so I shall leave bus service 71 and all other bus services for other people to do.

      Thank you and god bless the people at SGforums.

      Why do you want to stop??? Keep it coming.... You don't need to do 2 a day... but you can do occassionally and report... why so dramatic that you will not do any loading analysis again???

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    • Originally posted by JKYY:

      Bus Services 43, 43M and 118 will call at Punggol Stn/Int Bus Stop along Punggol Ctrl from 26 Nov onwards.

      Does anyone know why 117 still will not call at that bus stop?

      Only GA announced. 117 run by SBS. Delay in releasing press release.

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    • Originally posted by Sbs6750E:


      makes sense. Don’t need to go interchange and choose between 43/117/118/381. Now can simply wait at the bus stop and take whichever bus comes first.

      It is basically for Waterpoint customers and the leisure area. But I see your point. Now those going to Soo Teck, can in fact board bus rather than take LRT. I think it is cheaper too? 

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    • Originally posted by Sbs6750E:


      Another feeder svc that IMO should be amended is 372. Takes load from 50/102 and now there is 110 from Anchorvale Dr to MRT.

      372 Modified

      Sengkang Interchange >> Sengkang East Way >> Anchorvale Rd >> Anchorvale Lane (connecting new developments) >> Sengkang East Ave >> Sengkang East Rd >> Anchorvale Dr >> Anchorvale Rd >> Sengkang East Way >> Sengkang East Rd >> Sengkang Interchange

      * Removes the low loading loop between Anchorvale & Punggol Road

      * Connects new flats along Anchorvale Lane to Sengkang MRT

      110 Modified

      Compassvale Interchange >> Sengkang East Way >> Punggol Road >> Compassvale Dr >> Anchorvale Dr & continues...

      * Maintains link between Punggol road and Anchorvale estate after removing 372. This makes more sense for trunk service to connect than a feeder with high frequency. 

      * Above modification ensures no loss of connection while enhancing overall effectiveness and connectivity in Sengkang. 

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    • Originally posted by SG1131L:

      Loading on svc 329

      Date: 3 November 2017 (Friday)

      Time: 6:53am to 7:27am

      Hougang Ctrl -- 4 (0/4), 4 (0/0)

      Hougang Ave 4 -- 4 (0/0), 6 (0/2), 6 (0/0)

      Hougang Ave 9 -- 6 (0/0)

      Hougang St 91 -- 6 (0/0)

      Hougang St 93 -- 6 (0/0)

      Buangkok Lk -- 5 (-2/1)

      Buangkok Cres -- 7 (0/2), 10 (-1/4)

      Buangkok Lk -- 8 (-3/1), 7 (-1/0)

      Hougang St 93 -- 9 (0/2)

      Hougang St 91 -- 8 (-1/0)

      Hougang Ave 9 -- 7 (-1/0), 9 (-1/3)

      Hougang Ave 4 -- 13 (0/4), 12 (-3/2), 12 (0/0)

      Hougang Ctrl -- 11 (-1/0), 0 (-11/0)

      * Highest loading = 10 towards Buangkok Crescent, 13 towards Hougang Central Bus Interchange.

      * This service is used primarily for connection to Hougang Central Bus Interchange and secondarily for traveling around Hougang.

      * When the bus was at Buangkok Link, there was bus service 101 in front, which had around 5 passengers.

      * As compared to other bus services, this service has considerably low loading.

      * To optimize resources, the authorities can consider merging this service with other bus services.

      wow... the loading is even below my expectations... I thought at least around ave 9 the loading would pick up in AM... but maybe there was 72/72A/116 in front?? 101 usually gets 30-40 pax in AM towards Hougang from Buangkok Link... 

  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
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    • Originally posted by SBS2656X:

      Register an account, and save the route you created.
      DO NOT SUBMIT THE MAP FOR MODERATION. IT MEANS YOU DID NOT MAKE A FICTIONAL ROUTE BUT INSTEAD MADE A REAL ROUTE TO BE INPUT INTO THE WEBSITE.

      Then simply copy the link over, which should look something like "https://routes.one/idea/xxx".

      Ok I have submitted for moderation. Can I revert this?

  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    10,430 posts since May '12
    • Originally posted by SBS2656X:

      Bus Service 325 Amendment:
      325
      With 325's falling demand due to a better alternative service, it's original purpose (which is to serve Buangkok Green residents and Buangkok Medical Park) is long forgotten, and it now exists as a long mess of extensions over decades.

      The only probable reason why 325 still has demand is because of the crowd that avoids 101 during peak hours.

      To alleviate this situation, the bus route will be (massively) shortened to cater to more residents, and less unnecessary winding route. 

      The 2004 extension is reverted because there is already 62, 107 and 132 serving the affected stops. Most people would take 325 just because it arrived before 132.

      Mending the route to follow 27 and stopping at the stop which only has 43/43M along Buangkok Drive provides another relief to the residents living along that route which lacks any direct bus service to major amenities until the introduction of 43. Directly linking 325 there would ease the peak hour crowds on 43 from Buangkok MRT.

      It would also ply the entire length of Hougang Street 51 and 91, avoiding Buangkok Medical Park as there is no reason for it anymore (161 killed it's original purpose).

      Also new to this route would be that it will stop at 3 new bus stops, two which is served solely by CDS 660 which is quite close to Ci Yuan Community Centre, and a new bus stop opposite Yio Chu Kang Primary which 101 stops only at one direction.

      It also would skip Hougang Avenue 10 sector which goes adjacent to Punggol Park as it is also seen as redundant as there is already 113 and many other bus services to cater the crowd.



      Bus Service 114 Introduction:
      114

      This new bus service will be the first of it's kind - the only bus service to link the North-East to North-West.

      It will utilise the entire length of Mandai Road, and will be an excellent service to compliment the North-South Line.

      The bus service massively duplicates 927 and 138 at the moment, but it can be amended to Stagmont Ring to serve Yew Tee residents as well once the road expansion project is complete.

      How do you share the link of the maps you create at this website? 

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    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      MAN buses is the complete products in SG public transport.

      A22,A24 & A95.

      Volvo Only B9TL,ADL Only Enviro500,MB only Citaro & OC500LE,Scania Only K230UB 

      and MAN buses are the best... 

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    • Originally posted by SG1131L:

      Loading on svc 860

      Date: 1 November 2017 (Wednesday)

      Time: 6:45am to 8:40am

      Yishun Ctrl -- 0 (0/0)

      Yishun Ave 9 -- 0 (0/0)

      Yishun Ring Rd -- 0 (0/0), 2 (0/2), 3 (0/1), 3 (0/0), 3 (0/0), 3 (0/0), 4 (0/1), 4 (0/0), 10 (0/6), 9 (-1/0)

      Yishun Ave 2 -- 7 (-3/1)

      Yishun Ave 3 -- 11 (0/4), 11 (0/0), 12 (0/1)

      Sembawang Rd -- 10 (-3/1), 10 (0/0), 10 (-1/1), 10 (0/0), 8 (-3/1), 8 (0/0)

      Upp Thomson Rd -- 10 (0/2), 10 (0/0), 10 (0/0), 6 (-4/0), 6 (0/0), 5 (-1/0), 8 (0/3)

      Yio Chu Kang Rd -- 12 (-1/5), 17 (0/5)

      Ang Mo Kio Ave 5 -- 17 (-1/1), 17 (0/0), 17 (0/0), 16 (-1/0)

      Ang Mo Kio Ave 6 -- 16 (-1/1)

      Ang Mo Kio Ave 8 -- 1 (-16/1)

      Ang Mo Kio Ave 6 -- 1 (0/0)

      Ang Mo Kio Ave 5 -- 1 (0/0), 2 (-1/2), 3 (0/1), 4 (-1/2)

      Yio Chu Kang Rd -- 9 (0/5), 9 (0/0)

      Upp Thomson Rd -- 1 (-8/0), 1 (0/0), 1 (0/0), 1 (0/0), 1 (0/0), 1 (0/0), 1 (0/0)

      Sembawang Rd -- 4 (-1/4), 4 (0/0), 4 (0/0), 5 (0/1), 5 (0/0), 6 (0/1)

      Yishun Ave 3 -- 5 (-1/0), 5 (0/0), 11 (0/6)

      Yishun Ave 2 -- 7 (-4/0)

      Yishun Ring Rd -- 9 (-6/8), 10 (0/1), 7 (-4/1), 6 (-2/1), 5 (-1/0), 3 (-2/0), 3 (0/0), 10 (0/7), 9 (-3/2)

      Yishun Ave 9 -- 12 (0/3)

      Yishun Ctrl -- 0 (-12/0)

      * Highest loading = 17 towards Yio Chu Kang Bus Interchange, 12 towards Yishun Bus Interchange.

      * Yishun residents use this service to travel to Sembawang Road and Upper Thomson Road.

      * Tagore and Ang Mo Kio residents use this service to connect to Yio Chu Kang Bus Interchange.

      * Ang Mo Kio residents use this service to travel to Upper Thomson Road.

      * Yishun Ring Road residents use this service to connect to Yishun Bus Interchange.

      Extremely surprised with this loading. 860 should still have high loading between Yishun ring road and Yishun Ave 2. 

  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
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    • Originally posted by array88:

      Surprised that loading at Kaki Bukit hasn't picked up... Unlike what carbikebus observed.

      I am not surprised. People working in Kaki Bukit estate for years have had no bus service. They rely on private bus services or other modes of travel. It is going to take them some time to change their pattern. It is the same for some Tuas services and svc 47 when it was launched. It will pick up in few months. 

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    • Originally posted by SG1131L:

      Loading on svc 137

      (Towards Sims Place Bus Terminal)

      Date: 30 October 2017 (Monday)

      Time: 7:05am to 8:15am

      Upp East Coast Rd -- 0 (0/0), 0 (0/0), 0 (0/0), 0 (0/0), 0 (0/0), 0 (0/0), 1 (0/1), 1 (0/0)

      Bedok Sth Ave 1 -- 1 (0/0)

      Bedok Sth Rd -- 1 (0/0), 2 (-1/2)

      New Upp Changi Rd -- 2 (-2/2), 0 (-2/0)

      Bedok Nth Ave 3 -- 0 (0/0)

      Bedok Nth St 1 -- 2 (0/2)

      Bedok Nth Ave 2 -- 4 (-1/3), 4 (0/0)

      Bedok Nth St 3 -- 15 (0/11), 27 (0/12)

      Bedok Nth Ave 1 -- 31 (0/4)

      Bedok Nth Rd -- 35 (-1/5), 19 (-18/2)

      Kaki Bt Ave 5 -- 18 (-1/0)

      Kaki Bt Ave 6 -- 18 (0/0)

      Kaki Bt Ave 3 -- 16 (-2/0), 16 (0/0)

      Kaki Bt Rd 3 -- 17 (-3/4)

      Kaki Bt Ave 2 -- 17 (0/0)

      Ubi Ave 3 -- 15 (-2/0)

      Ubi Rd 3 -- 14 (-1/0)

      Ubi Ave 2 -- 16 (0/2)

      Ubi Ave 1 -- 21 (-1/6), 32 (-1/12), 31 (-3/2), 28 (-3/0)

      Ubi Rd 1 -- 26 (-2/0)

      Ubi Ave 2 -- 14 (-14/2)

      Paya Lebar Rd -- 10 (-4/0), 10 (0/0), 5 (-6/1)

      Geylang Rd -- 6 (0/1), 9 (0/3), 9 (0/0)

      Aljunied Rd -- 8 (-1/0), 5 (-3/0)

      Sims Dr -- 4 (-1/0), 0 (-4/0)

      Sims Pl -- 0 (0/0)

      * Highest loading = 35

      * Very low loading between Upper East Coast Bus Terminal and Bedok North Avenue 2, probably due to the availability of many bus routes and the accessibility to Bedok MRT Station.

      * This route is used by Bedok residents to connect to Bedok North MRT Station, and by Ubi residents to connect to Ubi MRT Station.

      * Overall, the loading is okay, with most of the loading concentrated at Bedok North, Kaki Bukit and Ubi.

      So you copy exactly my style of loading analysis :)

      Noticed that from your analysis, that around 17 pax from Bedok North Estate actually go further than Ubi because alighting is poor at Kaki Bukit estate. I am surprised that those from Bedok North actually take 137 to go to UBI when 137 is winding. Maybe they prefer that it is direct??

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    10,430 posts since May '12
    • Originally posted by autumncs:

      My observations on svc 137 (on a weekend afternoon):

      I agree 137 is slow and so far not many people are taking 137 (maybe because people are still not familiar with the route).

      Between UEC terminal and UEC Rd/Bedok South Ave 3: Demand not high as commuters going to Bedok MRT can take 25, which is more frequent and faster

      Between UEC Rd/Bedok South Ave 3 and Bedok South Ave 1: Demand not high as commuters changing to EWL can take 14/48 to Tanah Merah MRT, 55 to Eunos MRT, 48 to Bugis MRT, or 10/14 to City Hall.

      Between Bedok MRT and Bedok North St 3: Demand not high because commuters can take 225G/W, which is faster and more direct. 137 is supposed to serve Heartbeat @ Bedok but the nearest stops along Bedok North St 1 and Bedok North Ave 2 are quite far away (200m). 

      Between Bedok North St 3 and Bedok North MRT: Probably the portion with the heaviest load. Even so, the seats are not fully filled.

      Between Bedok North MRT and Ubi MRT: Demand not high. Most bus stops in Kaki Bukit estate has only 1-3 people boarding or alighting. As the route is designed to primarily connect to DTL stations, it awkwardly avoids the bus stops along Bedok Reservoir Rd and Eunos Link, making it difficult to transfer between 137 and bus services along Bedok Reservoir Rd and Eunos Link (unless you walk). 

      Between Ubi MRT and Paya Lebar MRT: No demand between Ubi MRT and Ubi Ave 1, but moderate load between Ubi Ave 1 and Paya Lebar MRT.

      Between Paya Lebar MRT & Sims Place: moderate load (I'm amazed that it took LTA so long to introduce a direct service from Paya Lebar MRT to Geylang Rd (between Paya Lebar and Aljunied) after svc 71 was withdrawn in the early 1990s) 

      Travel time from Bedok MRT
      - to Bedok North St 3: about 10 min
      - to Bedok North MRT: about 15 min
      - to Ubi MRT: more than 30 min
      - to Paya Lebar MRT: more than 45 min (on 137) or less than 10 min (on EWL)

      Give it some time. It is too early to say anything. And 137 is mainly for connecting Bayshore to Bedok MRT, where 25 does not ply. If you want to bash services, you should do that to 46 which after couple years also has poor loading.