Should Singapore Review Its Notorious Drugs Law?
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1) Do you think that Singapore should soften its law on drugs abuser (especially those who do contribute to our society)?
2) Do you think it is right for our government to execute them?
a) Marx Oh Wee Chee, 31, a director of events management company Zero
Event Concepts.
b) Tunisian Guiga Lyes Ben Laroussi, 35, marketing manager at Bobby
RubinoÂ’s restaurant and his girlfriend
c) Mariana Abdullah, 24
3) Will the ex. High Court judgeÂ’s son, Dinesh Singh Bhatia, 34, get away with a lighter sentence? -
no... "u wanna play u gonna pay"....Originally posted by Gazelle:1) Do you think that Singapore should soften its law on drugs abuser (especially those who do contribute to our society)?
2) Do you think it is right for our government to execute them?
a) Marx Oh Wee Chee, 31, a director of events management company Zero
Event Concepts.
b) Tunisian Guiga Lyes Ben Laroussi, 35, marketing manager at Bobby
RubinoÂ’s restaurant and his girlfriend
c) Mariana Abdullah, 24
3) Will the ex. High Court judgeÂ’s son, Dinesh Singh Bhatia, 34, get away with a lighter sentence?
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what do you mean "Do you think it is right for our government to execute them?"
there is no right or wrong for this, its just a very natural procedure, we hang people who traffic drugs above a certain amount -
everyone is equal under the law....even if u have a MNC under u, u still go the the gallows if convicted.
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nothing constructed by man is natural.Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:what do you mean "Do you think it is right for our government to execute them?"
there is no right or wrong for this, its just a very natural procedure, we hang people who traffic drugs above a certain amount
What this guy is asking I think is on the justification of the death penalty for Drug Traffickers. for the record, I am still AGAINST the Death penalty.
the pikamaster -
should uphold this law.
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Drug abusers undergo mandatory rehab. Drug traffickers - death penalty for all the suffering they caused to families and the social structure . I don't care who they are - everyone is equal under the law.Originally posted by Gazelle:1) Do you think that Singapore should soften its law on drugs abuser (especially those who do contribute to our society)?
2) Do you think it is right for our government to execute them?
The death penalty is meant as a deterrent . The drug traffickers have the knowledge that trafficking drugs in Singapore carries the death penalty . They chose to carry the drugs , hence they chose to carry the risk of the death penalty. -
I do agree with you that if they are selling drugs in the street to minors and they are doing it for money, but the fact is that this is a very small group of friends (at most 30) who are mostly successful working adults, and the pure intention here is for socializing. How much money could you make from selling drug to just 30 people? I do think that these are a bunch of responsible and peace loving people, who are doing this out of curiousity or fun.Originally posted by fymk:Drug abusers undergo mandatory rehab. Drug traffickers - death penalty for all the suffering they caused to families and the social structure . I don't care who they are - everyone is equal under the law.
The death penalty is meant as a deterrent . The drug traffickers have the knowledge that trafficking drugs in Singapore carries the death penalty . They chose to carry the drugs , hence they chose to carry the risk of the death penalty.
However by hanging them, I am sure the government will bring eternal pain and suffering to all their families, colleagues and friends. -
Got contribute to society doesnt mean can break law.
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don't give me that word playing crap again, you know what i meanOriginally posted by pikamaster:nothing constructed by man is natural.
What this guy is asking I think is on the justification of the death penalty for Drug Traffickers. for the record, I am still AGAINST the Death penalty.
the pikamaster
as for the justification of the death penalty for Drug Traffickers, whats there not to justify? the laws are there, people get hang for that offence, unless you're going to come up with something like, only God has the right, i'll have to say good day to you sir, you seem to be forgetting where you're living -
Some people are just born with a small heart..especially sad to hear this from a 22 year old citizen who is still struggling to understand the true mean of life...Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:don't give me that word playing crap again, you know what i mean
as for the justification of the death penalty for Drug Traffickers, whats there not to justify? the laws are there, people get hang for that offence, unless you're going to come up with something like, only God has the right, i'll have to say good day to you sir, you seem to be forgetting where you're living -
I do agree with you that if they are selling drugs in the street to minors and they are doing it for money, but the fact is that this is a very small group of friends (at most 30) who are mostly successful working adults, and the pure intention here is for socializing. How much money could you make from selling drug to just 30 people? I do think that these are a bunch of responsible and peace loving people, who are doing this out of curiousity or fun.
These kind of socialising may result in getting more people to be hooked into drugs. It has already caused all the harmful effects of drugs trafficking. Worse still, they appears to "re-package" drugs into something hip and cause more people to be hooked up to it. I see no reasons why they should be spared.
Talking about reasons, I heard of better ones. There is a poor chap trying to rake in some money by trafficking for her grandmother medical fees. Surely tat beats people trying to push drugs as part of socialising. -
if your heart is that big you wouldn't take a stab at me with thisOriginally posted by Gazelle:Some people are just born with a small heart..especially sad to hear this from a 22 year old citizen who is still struggling to understand the true mean of life...
and i don't think i'm still struggling to understand the true meaning of life. so? you've changed from the all forgiving one to a judgmental person huh? thats pretty fast -
Uncle Sil show you magic trick... The former high court Judge son will get away with it...
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Well the law is clear . Everyone, be it even the poor ,rich and powerful, are subjected to the law equally.Originally posted by Gazelle:I do agree with you that if they are selling drugs in the street to minors and they are doing it for money, but the fact is that this is a very small group of friends (at most 30) who are mostly successful working adults, and the pure intention here is for socializing. How much money could you make from selling drug to just 30 people? I do think that these are a bunch of responsible and peace loving people, who are doing this out of curiousity or fun.
However by hanging them, I am sure the government will bring eternal pain and suffering to all their families, colleagues and friends.
Drug trafficking is presumed when the possesion of a specific drug is carried above a certain amount in an individual .
Now the way I look at the situation :
Successful working adults - I assumed that they are educated - are they not? Even if they are not, it is a common knowledge that the death penalty applies to drug trafficking.
They should be aware of the death penalty regarding illegal drugs. They chose to ignore the death penalty by possessing the specific drugs in sufficient amount.
Doesn't matter if they did it for fun. Doesn't matter if they did it for curiosity. Doesn't matter if they only sold it to 30 people. It only matters that they knew the risk and CHOSE to take the risk. The blood is not on the government's hands - it is on their own hands because they CHOSE to take that path.
They HAD THE CHOICE . No one placed the drugs in their hands at gunpoint. Therefore there is no excuse for them to escape the death penalty. -
KNNBCCBOriginally posted by SilverPal:Uncle Sil show you magic trick... The former high court Judge son will get away with it... 
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Can you pull the lever to open the trapdoor and send the fellow to his death?Can you face a human being one minute alive, the next as limp as ragdoll..It's very easy for all you hypocrites to mouth oof about Singapore and people taking a risk with their lives.But when push comes to shove, all of you will piss in your pants like the little puerile minds wich you possess, especially those that are so in favor of the death penalty.Remember, you as the public are so-called disconnected both mentally and emotionally from the accused.We are supposed to be liberated from our primitive progenitor.The penal laws here prevent a more socially equitable evolution for our population.We need to have the latitude to realise that we all take responsibilities for our actions, but we do not the moral right to kill anyone.A drug trafficker may traffick, but who consumes?Do you force a person to consume drugs on pain of death?No.He consumes it willingly.He made that choice, whatever ruin he did, he will answer alone.WE DO NOT HAVE THE MORAL AND SPIRITUAL AUTHORITY TO JUDGE A MAN TO DEATH.LIFE IS GRANTED BY GOD.WE ARE NOT GOD.
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Err.. that's why the death penalty is for traffickers, and not for drug abusers.
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Originally posted by LazerLordz:
Those in favour of the death penalty have a right to think that way. The death penalty is a deterrent to drug traffickers. Too bad the drug traffickers want to go against the deterrent and risk death.
Can you pull the lever to open the trapdoor and send the fellow to his death?Can you face a human being one minute alive, the next as limp as ragdoll..It's very easy for all you hypocrites to mouth oof about Singapore and people taking a risk with their lives.But when push comes to shove, all of you will piss in your pants like the little puerile minds wich you possess, especially those that are so in favor of the death penalty.Remember, you as the public are so-called disconnected both mentally and emotionally from the accused.We are supposed to be liberated from our primitive progenitor.The penal laws here prevent a more socially equitable evolution for our population.We need to have the latitude to realise that we all take responsibilities for our actions, but we do not the moral right to kill anyone.A drug trafficker may traffick, but who consumes?Do you force a person to consume drugs on pain of death?No.He consumes it willingly.He made that choice, whatever ruin he did, he will answer alone.[b]WE DO NOT HAVE THE MORAL AND SPIRITUAL AUTHORITY TO JUDGE A MAN TO DEATH.LIFE IS GRANTED BY GOD.WE ARE NOT GOD. [/b]
International Convention of Civil Protection and Rights state in Article six - that humans have a right to live - however it MAKES a PROVISION FOR THE DEATH PENALTY.
Universal Declaration of Human Rights : Everyone is equally entitled to the right to live and the right to be free .
Criminals ,however , have infringed on a law abiding citizen's right , they forfeit the right to be free (jail) and in the heinous cases , the right to live (death penalty). Now if we want to argue the way u do - human rights also state that no cruel and unusual treatment should occur to human beings. So are jails even supposed to be there since it comes under the right to be free .and it is also a form of cruel and unusual treatment . Well I am sorry ,my friend, the human rights declaration has made provisions for that too. So jails are here to stay.
The death penalty is an issue which have no end to who is right or wrong. Yes I am pro death penalty. So what? The blood is not on the legislation but on the individual who commits the crime despite knowing the penalties his action will invoke . -
The recent case that involved the indon maid, there was premediation murder, yet we all chose to close 2 eyes and say that it was not premediated.Originally posted by iveco:KNNBCCB
Now we see a big shot's son getting caught... Let's see the great show... -
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[b]WE DO NOT HAVE THE MORAL AND SPIRITUAL AUTHORITY TO JUDGE A MAN TO DEATH.LIFE IS GRANTED BY GOD.WE ARE NOT GOD.
i beg to differ, since i do not have the same beliefs
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Originally posted by fymk:
There is, i believe, another thread which i started to talk about the Death Penalty. Perhaps, I should resurrect that thread.
Those in favour of the death penalty have a right to think that way. [b] The death penalty is a deterrent to drug traffickers. Too bad the drug traffickers want to go against the deterrent and risk death.
International Convention of Civil Protection and Rights state in Article six - that humans have a right to live - however it MAKES a PROVISION FOR THE DEATH PENALTY.
Universal Declaration of Human Rights : Everyone is equally entitled to the right to live and the right to be free .
Criminals ,however , have infringed on a law abiding citizen's right , they forfeit the right to be free (jail) and in the heinous cases , the right to live (death penalty). Now if we want to argue the way u do - human rights also state that no cruel and unusual treatment should occur to human beings. So are jails even supposed to be there since it comes under the right to be free .and it is also a form of cruel and unusual treatment . Well I am sorry ,my friend, the human rights declaration has made provisions for that too. So jails are here to stay.
The death penalty is an issue which have no end to who is right or wrong. Yes I am pro death penalty. So what? The blood is not on the legislation but on the individual who commits the crime despite knowing the penalties his action will invoke .
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Your argument on the UDHR is invalid, since I have read it through about 30 times, and I can't find a single statement that provides for the Death Penalty. The statement you provide isn't adequate justification, unless you are saying that murderers aren't humans as well. ANyway, isn't killing murderers still murder, whoever does that? I've always wanted to ask supporters of DP this: Do they condone the murder of a murderer by the family of the victim, or by a friend fo the family acting on their behalf?
Anyway, the problem with the Drug trafficking Law is that when you preemptively arrest someone for trafficking at Changi Airport, technically there have been no victims yet since he hasn't sold his wares, so there is morally nothing to accuse him on except intent, making it like the situation in "Minority Report".
I urge you to think carefully.
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What is your religion?Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:i beg to differ, since i do not have the same beliefs
If you are Buddhist, the Dalai Lama has made countless statements and written manifestos agaisnt the Death penalty.
If you are Muslim, The Koran speaks strongly against the Death penalty, and that is in islamic Tradition.
If you are Hindu, there is a particular sutra that talks about preserving peoples' lives, and many Hindu scholars who ahve spoken out about teh Death penalty in India.
If you are atheist, I am sorry for you.
If you are a Free Thinker, use your conscience to guide you.
Hope you find your way,
the Pikamaster
P.S.: I am not trying to convert you or anything. SInc eI don't know your religion, I am just putting outwhat I found out about all the key religions in SIngapore. Of coruse, if you belong to the Temple of the Teapot, well... -
Originally posted by fymk:
Well, your argument is that the blood be on the one that flouts the law, but you still have not given a coherent reason as to how we as humans have the spiritual authority to KILL a person.It is murder, only that it is state-sanctioned vengeance based on a precept that a state is morally upright and is almost God-like to possess such rights.Nothing created by man can stand up to the scrutiny of Man.Our institutions have brought it upon themselves to judge who lives and who dies.It is a mark of a morally bankrupt society tjhat hides behind the veil of "an eye for an eye" to justify a legal killing of a human being.
Those in favour of the death penalty have a right to think that way. [b] The death penalty is a deterrent to drug traffickers. Too bad the drug traffickers want to go against the deterrent and risk death.
International Convention of Civil Protection and Rights state in Article six - that humans have a right to live - however it MAKES a PROVISION FOR THE DEATH PENALTY.
Universal Declaration of Human Rights : Everyone is equally entitled to the right to live and the right to be free .
Criminals ,however , have infringed on a law abiding citizen's right , they forfeit the right to be free (jail) and in the heinous cases , the right to live (death penalty). Now if we want to argue the way u do - human rights also state that no cruel and unusual treatment should occur to human beings. So are jails even supposed to be there since it comes under the right to be free .and it is also a form of cruel and unusual treatment . Well I am sorry ,my friend, the human rights declaration has made provisions for that too. So jails are here to stay.
The death penalty is an issue which have no end to who is right or wrong. Yes I am pro death penalty. So what? The blood is not on the legislation but on the individual who commits the crime despite knowing the penalties his action will invoke .
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