Should Singapore Review Its Notorious Drugs Law?
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I am not judging you; I am merely stating I feel offended by such comments you have made on my religion in this thread. make no mistake.Originally posted by sgsentinel:Who are you to judge ?
Ppl who do not have the same religion as you are all sinners ?
Then there must be billions of sinners around the world.
Hell must be getting crowded.
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and your remarks offends others who do not belong to your religion.Originally posted by pikamaster:I am not judging you; I am merely stating I feel offended by such comments you have made on my religion in this thread. make no mistake.
the genuine pikamaster
made no mistake.
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To suit social mores? I think not. Be it USA, australia ,singapore or england, the law systems are all adversarial. You need to advocate for world wide action then.Originally posted by pikamaster:Then perhaps it is time to reform the judiciary, otherwise where is the justice that the judiciary is supposed to uphold? Tear down those statues at teh facade of the Supremem Court!
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Even the adverserial legal system in Scandinavia is not as harsh or inflexible as ours.Originally posted by fymk:To suit social mores? I think not. Be it USA, australia ,singapore or england, the law systems are all adversarial. You need to advocate for world wide action then. -
so wat you want ? let the drug traffickers go free so they can harm more ppl ?Originally posted by iveco:Even the adverserial legal system in Scandinavia is not as harsh or inflexible as ours.
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i dunno about drug traffickers, but i feel that drug users need more help than what we're offering right nowOriginally posted by sgsentinel:so wat you want ? let the drug traffickers go free so they can harm more ppl ? -
I didn't say world-wide action wasn't needed. But everything starts from somewhere after all. Like the saying goes, Rome wasn't built in a day. perhaps Singaporeans could be initiators, instead of being copiers.Originally posted by fymk:To suit social mores? I think not. Be it USA, australia ,singapore or england, the law systems are all adversarial. You need to advocate for world wide action then.
And this is not about social mores; it's nothing related to building a casino in the name of openness. This is talking about the fairness and integrity of the jsutice system, in fact its "chastity" as well.
Besides, I think the world needs to get together to solve thsi problem of drug manufacture once and for all. Like the industiral maxim goes: with no supply, there is no demand.
And anyway, I didn't say that the Western States are any better than us in this aspect.
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Confiscate their drugs and jail them perhaps. That way no harm is done to anybody since nobody gets to buy the drugs, and the trafficker isn't allowed to obtain fresh supplies for sale.Originally posted by sgsentinel:so wat you want ? let the drug traffickers go free so they can harm more ppl ? -
From what the parents said, it is clear that the guy with low IQ (and it's below 100) must have struggled a great deal with the school system, much mroe than his peers.
But nevertheless he appears to be smart enough to know what is right or wrong. He can pass PSLE, get to Sec 3 means he already have the means to know equations, science and grasp of language. I don't think that he is mentally challenged to the point that he can be cleared of all crimes.The girls' claim probably was just dismissed by our "efficient" judiciary. it is noticeable that the judiciary didn't even bother to locate the CHinese couple; it is the job of the police to dig for facts after all. your "otherwise" is a slippery-slope argument, which in logic study is considered fallacious.
How do u locate a couple whose names and identification is wrong and may be hiding in a completely different country altogether ? In fact they may never exist before, and is probably an excuse for the women to avoid the death penalty. Trust me, it is futile. Policemen are not super heroes and can find people just by their looks. They even have difficulty in finding Ah How with his face all plastered throughout Malaysia and Singapore.
It also shows how much people here are willing to let themselves be brainwashed by the government (just like the press).I feel really sad that nobody seems to regard social morality anymore and accept that waht is legally right is not always right morally, and morals supercede laws i.e. we are supposed to rebel against laws that are immoral.
Is it morally wrong to punish criminals who commit crimes ? I believe it is more socially wrong to let people do whatever they pleased. Then we will be going to the stage where the strong will prey on the weak.It is interesting to note that theyhave lower crime and corruption rates than many Asian countries
There are some poorer eastern europe countries which have worse crimes and corruption rate than Asian countries too. An important factor to consider is how rich the country is and how long has it been rich.I am of the opinion that some people on death row have been tortured into making false confessions. However, there is nobody to look into abuse of power by law enforcement agents
Singapore appears to be free of such abuses. If an accused complains of being tortured, then he can lodge a complain which will be looked upon seriously. The whole lockup has video cameras which can be checked for any abuses.Then perhaps it is time to reform the judiciary, otherwise where is the justice that the judiciary is supposed to uphold
Before complaining, maybe someone can come out with a suggestion on what to change it into. Singaporean have the problem of giving no sugestions but give out too much complains. Singapore is following the law system from USA and British....Confiscate their drugs and jail them perhaps
Then you will surely see more people taking the plunge to be drug traffickers just to earn some bucks. Why not ? You have a XX% to be successfully passed through the check point and you will be a few ten thousands richer if you are successful. It is just like the A Bengs selling pirated software. They will be jailed when caught but you still see them selling them isn't it ? Why ? Because it is good money. A chinese saying goes, "Zhong Shang Zi Xia Bi You Yong Fu." Given a heavy reward, you will expect to see brave people standing out to take the job. -
go look up your IQ index. A person with an IQ of 110- 140 is already considered having a low IQ. Needless to say, a person with IQ 74 is definitely mentally challenged, close to retardation at any rate.
But nevertheless he appears to be smart enough to know what is right or wrong. He can pass PSLE, get to Sec 3 means he already have the means to know equations, science and grasp of language. I don't think that he is mentally challenged to the point that he can be cleared of all crimes.
There's something in the law called "innocent till proven guilty". The problem with the Drug Trafficking law is it does things the opposite way from the start.
How do u locate a couple whose names and identification is wrong and may be hiding in a completely different country altogether ? In fact they may never exist before, and is probably an excuse for the women to avoid the death penalty. Trust me, it is futile. Policemen are not super heroes and can find people just by their looks. They even have difficulty in finding Ah How with his face all plastered throughout Malaysia and Singapore.
I am confused anyway: do you beleive the "excuse" or not? You contradict yourself.
Izzit wrong to punnish students who fail to hand up homework? Nope, but does that justify making students stand in the hot sun for the entire day without food or water like what a sec school in pasir Ris did earlier this year? I didn't advocate no punnishment, merely less severe punnishment.
Is it morally wrong to punish criminals who commit crimes ? I believe it is more socially wrong to let people do whatever they pleased. Then we will be going to the stage where the strong will prey on the weak.
looks can be deceiving.
Singapore appears to be free of such abuses. If an accused complains of being tortured, then he can lodge a complain which will be looked upon seriously. The whole lockup has video cameras which can be checked for any abuses.
And are you sure the authorities will "llok into all cases" seriously? I believe I read somewhere on SFD that some of the 22 arrested duting Coldstore were froced thorugh torture into making public confessions, and apparently nobody "looked into their cases", so there.. -
Then the blame will land squarely on the consumer, who has made a choice to consume.Originally posted by sgsentinel:so wat you want ? let the drug traffickers go free so they can harm more ppl ? -
How can I be kidding when I am actually doing it. Yes it is written 7kg, but didnt you know that there no DEATH sentence if you exceed the weight limit?Originally posted by fymk:You have to be kidding on 26kg handcarry. One passenger is allowed to carry no more than 20kg of checked in baggage for economy class. Handcarry is permitted to the extent of 7kg
Are you saying that those guys who got busted for cocaine need to steal to maintain their lifestyle?Originally posted by fymk:Haven't u heard of drug addicts committing acts of theft and bulgary to get money for their drugs?
A drug smuggler is caught without a customer, no way to cause any harm to anybody too. One bullet could potentially ends up with a guy to have a home made gun that might be use to assisnate the president of Singapore.Originally posted by fymk:They have one bullet ....no gun - no way to injure anyone. A drug smuggler has one packet of drugs which he can consume at his own risk or pass on to others to get a high.
Havent you broken any law before? Why dont our law allow authority to chop off the hands of those who pick pocket? And dig out the eyes of those who surf porn on the internet.Originally posted by fymk:What lives? The ones forfeited because they did not obey the laws of our nation or the ones lost and destroyed because of the drugs?
Life aint so simple as you think my boy. Have you ever wonder why women are willing to sell their precious body for money? Have you ever wonder why people are willing to sneak across the causeway to work as cheap labour? No everybody in this world is living as comfortable as you are. And I dont think that their live is worth anything less than yours.Originally posted by fymk:Yeah poor them ...they are so poor . They can earn an honest living slow as it might seem. They should avoid Singapore if they have drugs. Simple. -
Exactly, by having such tough laws on drug offender, how do we expect drug addicts to seek help. What if they seek help and couldnt kick the habit?Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:i dunno about drug traffickers, but i feel that drug users need more help than what we're offering right now -
I always feel that the blame for all this lies on the drug manufacturers, just like in the Slim-10 case.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Then the blame will land squarely on the consumer, who has made a choice to consume.
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Isn't it better money if you can go through a checkpoint of a country that uses the Death Penalty successfully, unlike your associates. Think in the minds of those drug mafia kings; They probably like the challenge.Originally posted by stupidissmart:Then you will surely see more people taking the plunge to be drug traffickers just to earn some bucks. Why not ? You have a XX% to be successfully passed through the check point and you will be a few ten thousands richer if you are successful. It is just like the A Bengs selling pirated software. They will be jailed when caught but you still see them selling them isn't it ? Why ? Because it is good money. A chinese saying goes, "Zhong Shang Zi Xia Bi You Yong Fu." Given a heavy reward, you will expect to see brave people standing out to take the job.
I feel that teh Death penalty actually gives an incentive for more people to pedal drugs here (or force Singaporeans to do their dirty work for them).
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We should not kill the mules who transport the drugs.It is of no consequence to the suplliers and the drug lords who are simply detached emotionally and physically from the poor, often desperate guy that is lured by money to be the packhorse.Has he committed a less crime than one who is in charge of the manufacture or production?If we do not go after these fellows, it is useless and unfair to execute the ones lower in the foodchain.Why not just extend them a more forgiving hand and confiscate their drugs, jail them and give them some hope.They are usually at the end of their rope, and have a weak mental faculty which pushes them to the easiest option.But to smuggle drugs through Singapore takes guts.It even takes guts to admit it calmly when pulled aside by Customs.Do most of us even have 5% of their temerity?
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Hey,talk about that,perhaps it will be an off topic but i always thought that the Indon maids should be sentence to death since they have taken someone's life.I always believe that if u kill someone "intentionally",u have to pay for the price which means death sentence as our law stated.But to my surprise,those 2 idiot Indon maids escape death sentence,This is ridiculous!Originally posted by SilverPal:The recent case that involved the indon maid, there was premediation murder, yet we all chose to close 2 eyes and say that it was not premediated.
Now we see a big shot's son getting caught... Let's see the great show...
Especially one of them after killing her master,she go furthermore n kill her child!I mean if her master torture her n therefore she went mad n kill her i can understand.But she went so far as to killing her master's child,this is too much!The child is innocent!And yet she can escape death sentence,what the hell went wrong with our law! -
Muto was tested postive for cocaine consumption and Romania is offering him a life line by appointing him as assistant football coach. Why cant Singapore government learn to be more forgiving?
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We have a establishment that makes me want to shoot bottles on a fence anytime one of their members makes a speech and talks down to the population as if they were little kids.At times, I wonder how these people think.Do they really think or are they just so apathetic within their jobs and only go through their process of promugulating and keeping alive laws which are clearly asses.I implore them to use their grey matter and actually think before they mouth off the official line once more.Life is sacrosanct, BUT we do NOT have the moral authority to end it.Originally posted by Gazelle:Muto was tested postive for cocaine consumption and Romania is offering him a life line by appointing him as assistant football coach. Why cant Singapore government learn to be more forgiving? -
Romanian FA bark chew got stamp or what? Fifa takes a hardline on drugs. Remember Rio Ferdinand case?Originally posted by Gazelle:Muto was tested postive for cocaine consumption and Romania is offering him a life line by appointing him as assistant football coach. Why cant Singapore government learn to be more forgiving? -
FIFA as a sport body is hard on performance enhancing drug, not social drugs like cocaine and marijuana which do no good to your performance on the field.Originally posted by iveco:Romanian FA bark chew got stamp or what? Fifa takes a hardline on drugs. Remember Rio Ferdinand case?
This goes to show that FIFA and the rest of the football community understand that people do make mistake and they deserve a second chance.l -
Exactly, by having such tough laws on drug offender, how do we expect drug addicts to seek help. What if they seek help and couldnt kick the habit?
IS singapore hard on addicts ? No ! If u volunteer to go to a drug rehab center, they will help u kick the habbit and not give u a criminal record ! Only those who were caught having possesion and consumption of drugs get to have a criminal record. And if u r the first timer, u r not going to get a criminal record as well. Take note, it is the drug trafficker who get to be treated seriously, and rightly so to protect the public.Isn't it better money if you can go through a checkpoint of a country that uses the Death Penalty successfully, unlike your associates. Think in the minds of those drug mafia kings; They probably like the challenge.
They like challenges ? Tat is pretty dumb. tis is not a game for them. It is a career. They want to do things the easy way. If the death penalty is enforced, he will find it much harder to get people to transport drugs over the borders. When the difficulty rises, the amount of drugs become less available. Therefore safely ensure singaporean to be drug free. Challenges ? If your teacher gives u a whole 3000 pages textbook to read and understand within a day, will u be delighted and glad someone had given u a challenge ?I feel that teh Death penalty actually gives an incentive for more people to pedal drugs here (or force Singaporeans to do their dirty work for them).
Please elaborate. I totally do not understand wat r u trying to say ? Do u think drug trafficking is a video game ?We should not kill the mules who transport the drugs.It is of no consequence to the suplliers and the drug lords who are simply detached emotionally and physically from the poor, often desperate guy that is lured by money to be the packhorse.Has he committed a less crime than one who is in charge of the manufacture or production?If we do not go after these fellows, it is useless and unfair to execute the ones lower in the foodchain.
Why don't u give a suggestion on how to get to the supliers etc ? U think thye will go around and tell people they r the boss or tattoo it on his forehead ? The authorities r pursuing them too, but it is not gong to be easy. So if u can't catch the "god father" we let all his subordinates to go scot free ? It has to go 2 ways. Find the leader of the drug ring and also cut off possible means of singaporean accessibility to drugs. We should be equally harsh to his agents and subordinates as well.Why not just extend them a more forgiving hand and confiscate their drugs, jail them and give them some hope.They are usually at the end of their rope, and have a weak mental faculty which pushes them to the easiest option.But to smuggle drugs through Singapore takes guts.It even takes guts to admit it calmly when pulled aside by Customs.Do most of us even have 5% of their temerity?
Murder takes guts too. Kidnap take guts too. Arm robbery take guts too. So wat ? Do u think drug trafficker has 5% of the guts of armed robbers or 5% of the planning needed to comit kidnaping ? They r still causing problem to society isn't it ? Taking about guts means zero here. We r not choosing who is braver or gutsy. We don't care.
They r desperate, but is tis a reason to commit to crimes where others will be hurt ? Sorry man, I can safely say 99% crimes r commited by desperate people. If u aren't desperate will u commit crimes ? Be thankful the judge will show more mercy to people who r desperate but they will not go free of punishment.Wake up you equivocators out there.It's time to smell the roses and realise that they have thorns.
Wake up and be realistic. There r even thorns on roses. We do realistic things. Not idealistic and impractical things. -
They r desperate, but is tis a reason to commit to crimes where others will be hurt ? Sorry man, I can safely say 99% crimes r commited by desperate people. If u aren't desperate will u commit crimes ? Be thankful the judge will show more mercy to people who r desperate but they will not go free of punishment.
Agreed.But does that punishment have to be death?The cruz here is whether we have a right to kill another human being.So far, I've only seen posts after posts detailing what we should do to drug traffickers. Can anyone come up with any counter-post regarding the rights of Man to kill? -
FIFA as a sport body is hard on performance enhancing drug, not social drugs like cocaine and marijuana which do no good to your performance on the field.
3 types of drugs r prohibited.
1. Performance enhancing effects - which contravene the ethics of sport and undermine the principles of fair participation.
2. Health and safety of the athlete - some drug misuse may cause serious side effects, which can compromise an athlete's health. Using substances to mask pain/injury could make an injury worse or cause permanent damage. Some drug misuse may be harmful to other athletes participating in the sport.
3. Illegality - it is forbidden by law to possess or supply some substances
Cocaine is a highly addictive stimulant drug. It had already crossed the first border and is therefore banned for sportsmen. -
What is the penalty for first time drug offender?Originally posted by stupidissmart:IS singapore hard on addicts ? No ! If u volunteer to go to a drug rehab center, they will help u kick the habbit and not give u a criminal record ! Only those who were caught having possesion and consumption of drugs get to have a criminal record. And if u r the first timer, u r not going to get a criminal record as well. Take note, it is the drug trafficker who get to be treated seriously, and rightly so to protect the public.