Singaporeans who migrated overseas..
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Who do you think??
I spoke to one singaporean who migrated overseas...last time he was here to visit singapore...and i asked how was it like...
In short,He told me, that in U.S.A , he get chances to purchase cars and houses which are much larger, the jobs he get there are enough to feed his family , and in the supermarkets there , although must drive plenty of miles to reach there, was pretty deserted but it offered him stuffs which Singapore couldn't..not only that, he has mentioned that cases of racism against Chinese are dropping...
Not only do we get a much larger house, we also get a much larger car...with lesser car modifications control....korean americans, vietnam americans, and chinese americans..more and more integrated as a community today as well..
With regards to singapore...with good jobs going out to foreign talents, money going to GIC and without disclosure of where it is ending up in..
GIC Singapore wouldn't even wanna disclose financial performance of what Singaporeans OWN!!
With housing getting more and more expensive as time passes...
more then SGD 250,000 per five room flat when we know it is much cheaper to produce it...
Problem is...why does HDB, a government owned corporation, HAVE profit margins..
I don't mind giving up my life for this nation, but with the basic welfare and with GST and bills increasing, i don't think i might wanna contribute even more..
The reason why GST in many other countries are higher is because they have higher income too.....ask any worker in singapore...basic pay is $1,500...
and basically for middle income earners...nothing much for them to do in singapore..
in a normal HDB flat, we get to watch tv , do cooking, surf net, eat food and sleep...
where-else for a similar lifestyle overseas...
just another ranting post..sian....
i work NS, i get SGD $350 a month...i buy a subaru imprezza...i have to serve 200 months of National Service..wt.f..
more then 15 years of national service for 1 car...
Singapore should increase it's allowance for NS man, even malaysia , a country whose economic performance is weaker, can afford to pay even the basic conscript much more
and if Singapore wants people to pro-create......why so many strict laws and that?
That idea of government interfering and making pple have more babies just kills my appetite..
I serve the nation, the nation don't serve me!
Bullshlt!
Even LHL , said that singaporean domestic policies came first when he visited taiwan earlier this year..
And with much irony.., most of the highest paying jobs..like the head of the Sentosa ...doesn't goes to anyone with pink IC..
I would sometimes like to see the pink IC being much more rewarded then other countries with other colored I.C...
I wanna see PAP honouring it's words...Singaporean First, Foreigners later!
1 Reason why Japanese are so fiercely loyal to their country during WWII...
They treat their Emperor like the Sun God...willing to do everything...
and indeed, if you do check up the life of japanese under the Emperor's rule..
it was pretty good as well...no complaints at all...
I surely would like to see Seoul Financial Center,which the Government of Singapore investment company owns...giving free rent rebates for singaporeans as a start..
I also would like to know...MINDEF's financial performance..and exactly how much going to this and that...
couldn't be the that the minister who first started NS,citing not enough funds for having a full fledged armed forces...could apply today..
Singapore certainly has grown from more then a fishing port...to a major financial port and city..
The meagre wages, should also be raised...from small to a much providable income..so that the normal NS man can pay for the movie that his gf watches..
The government also should skip off basic science and stuffs, in secondary school and focus more on business type,science, and engineering courses..way before O lvls, come to think of it...secondary school and primary didn't help a tad much...
Compulsory education should also be blocked...in fact, a person's right to do something shouldn't be restricted...
Anyone here play nationstates.net? -
its their choice, much like the choice for those who stayed.
nobody is stopping anybody.
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Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:
SSK. You can also migrate if you want to.
Who do you think??
I spoke to one singaporean who migrated overseas...last time he was here to visit singapore...and i asked how was it like...
In short,He told me, that in U.S.A , he get chances to purchase cars and houses which are much larger, the jobs he get there are enough to feed his family , and in the supermarkets there , although must drive plenty of miles to reach there, was pretty deserted but it offered him stuffs which Singapore couldn't..not only that, he has mentioned that cases of racism against Chinese are dropping...
Not only do we get a much larger house, we also get a much larger car...with lesser car modifications control....korean americans, vietnam americans, and chinese americans..more and more integrated as a community today as well..
With regards to singapore...with good jobs going out to foreign talents, money going to GIC and without disclosure of where it is ending up in..
GIC Singapore wouldn't even wanna disclose financial performance of what Singaporeans OWN!!
With housing getting more and more expensive as time passes...
more then SGD 250,000 per five room flat when we know it is much cheaper to produce it...
Problem is...why does HDB, a government owned corporation, HAVE profit margins..
I don't mind giving up my life for this nation, but with the basic welfare and with GST and bills increasing, i don't think i might wanna contribute even more..
The reason why GST in many other countries are higher is because they have higher income too.....ask any worker in singapore...basic pay is $1,500...
and basically for middle income earners...nothing much for them to do in singapore..
in a normal HDB flat, we get to watch tv , do cooking, surf net, eat food and sleep...
where-else for a similar lifestyle overseas...
just another ranting post..sian....
i work NS, i get SGD $350 a month...i buy a subaru imprezza...i have to serve 200 months of National Service..wt.f..
more then 15 years of national service for 1 car...
Singapore should increase it's allowance for NS man, even malaysia , a country whose economic performance is weaker, can afford to pay even the basic conscript much more
and if Singapore wants people to pro-create......why so many strict laws and that?
That idea of government interfering and making pple have more babies just kills my appetite..
[b]I serve the nation, the nation don't serve me!
Bullshlt!
Even LHL , said that singaporean domestic policies came first when he visited taiwan earlier this year..
And with much irony.., most of the highest paying jobs..like the head of the Sentosa ...doesn't goes to anyone with pink IC..
I would sometimes like to see the pink IC being much more rewarded then other countries with other colored I.C...
I wanna see PAP honouring it's words...Singaporean First, Foreigners later!
1 Reason why Japanese are so fiercely loyal to their country during WWII...
They treat their Emperor like the Sun God...willing to do everything...
and indeed, if you do check up the life of japanese under the Emperor's rule..
it was pretty good as well...no complaints at all...
I surely would like to see Seoul Financial Center,which the Government of Singapore investment company owns...giving free rent rebates for singaporeans as a start..
I also would like to know...MINDEF's financial performance..and exactly how much going to this and that...
couldn't be the that the minister who first started NS,citing not enough funds for having a full fledged armed forces...could apply today..
Singapore certainly has grown from more then a fishing port...to a major financial port and city..
The meagre wages, should also be raised...from small to a much providable income..so that the normal NS man can pay for the movie that his gf watches..
The government also should skip off basic science and stuffs, in secondary school and focus more on business type,science, and engineering courses..way before O lvls, come to think of it...secondary school and primary didn't help a tad much...
Compulsory education should also be blocked...in fact, a person's right to do something shouldn't be restricted...
Anyone here play nationstates.net?[/b] -
can someone pls summarize in 10 words or less what the hell this guy said.
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He want to migrate.Originally posted by the.raven:can someone pls summarize in 10 words or less what the hell this guy said. -
SBSK if i were u i'd boh hiew lan so much liao. F the country, F the govt. Take off and go for greener pastures.
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wtf, and he has to write a 2000 word thesis on that?Originally posted by Qitai:He want to migrate. -
later then I read
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Bcos he is SBSK.Originally posted by the.raven:wtf, and he has to write a 2000 word thesis on that?
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Originally posted by OrneryBoy:later then I read
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dun forget horOriginally posted by OrneryBoy:later then I read -
i wontOriginally posted by SnowFlag:dun forget hor -
why flame someone who sharing how he feels.
in fact i bet most of us feel the same. but of course, we need to make suitable comparison. singapore definitely cannot be compare with Indonesia, thailand or malaysia. -
Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:
Well, what I can say that what you mentioned is only half true.
Who do you think??
I spoke to one singaporean who migrated overseas...last time he was here to visit singapore...and i asked how was it like...
In short,He told me, that in U.S.A , he get chances to purchase cars and houses which are much larger, the jobs he get there are enough to feed his family , and in the supermarkets there , although must drive plenty of miles to reach there, was pretty deserted but it offered him stuffs which Singapore couldn't..not only that, he has mentioned that cases of racism against Chinese are dropping...
Not only do we get a much larger house, we also get a much larger car...with lesser car modifications control....korean americans, vietnam americans, and chinese americans..more and more integrated as a community today as well..
With regards to singapore...with good jobs going out to foreign talents, money going to GIC and without disclosure of where it is ending up in..
GIC Singapore wouldn't even wanna disclose financial performance of what Singaporeans OWN!!
With housing getting more and more expensive as time passes...
more then SGD 250,000 per five room flat when we know it is much cheaper to produce it...
Problem is...why does HDB, a government owned corporation, HAVE profit margins..
I don't mind giving up my life for this nation, but with the basic welfare and with GST and bills increasing, i don't think i might wanna contribute even more..
The reason why GST in many other countries are higher is because they have higher income too.....ask any worker in singapore...basic pay is $1,500...
and basically for middle income earners...nothing much for them to do in singapore..
in a normal HDB flat, we get to watch tv , do cooking, surf net, eat food and sleep...
where-else for a similar lifestyle overseas...
just another ranting post..sian....
i work NS, i get SGD $350 a month...i buy a subaru imprezza...i have to serve 200 months of National Service..wt.f..
more then 15 years of national service for 1 car...
Singapore should increase it's allowance for NS man, even malaysia , a country whose economic performance is weaker, can afford to pay even the basic conscript much more
and if Singapore wants people to pro-create......why so many strict laws and that?
That idea of government interfering and making pple have more babies just kills my appetite..
[b]I serve the nation, the nation don't serve me!
Bullshlt!
Even LHL , said that singaporean domestic policies came first when he visited taiwan earlier this year..
And with much irony.., most of the highest paying jobs..like the head of the Sentosa ...doesn't goes to anyone with pink IC..
I would sometimes like to see the pink IC being much more rewarded then other countries with other colored I.C...
I wanna see PAP honouring it's words...Singaporean First, Foreigners later!
1 Reason why Japanese are so fiercely loyal to their country during WWII...
They treat their Emperor like the Sun God...willing to do everything...
and indeed, if you do check up the life of japanese under the Emperor's rule..
it was pretty good as well...no complaints at all...
I surely would like to see Seoul Financial Center,which the Government of Singapore investment company owns...giving free rent rebates for singaporeans as a start..
I also would like to know...MINDEF's financial performance..and exactly how much going to this and that...
couldn't be the that the minister who first started NS,citing not enough funds for having a full fledged armed forces...could apply today..
Singapore certainly has grown from more then a fishing port...to a major financial port and city..
The meagre wages, should also be raised...from small to a much providable income..so that the normal NS man can pay for the movie that his gf watches..
The government also should skip off basic science and stuffs, in secondary school and focus more on business type,science, and engineering courses..way before O lvls, come to think of it...secondary school and primary didn't help a tad much...
Compulsory education should also be blocked...in fact, a person's right to do something shouldn't be restricted...
Anyone here play nationstates.net?[/b]
Think of it, some singaporeans migrated to overseas as they think they can't make it in Singapore. You said that you spoke to one who has migrated and he has the chance to buy a car and a house. Can I ask you do you know how much is the currencies there? It's much more than Singapore currencies. You shouldn't look things on one side. You have to look on both sides.
Even though you said that government has gained profit through HDB etc.... what can you do? Complain? You are being childish! You are now serving your National Service here and you have two years to complete.
To migrate to oversea, first of all, you must have the money to do so. Second, you must have qualifications. If you dun have either one of them, no matter how you said or mentioned, won't help. -
do you know there are singaporeans overseas who can't come back because they marry a foreigner and there used to be strict policies that once a singaporean female marries a foreigner, ur husband cannot get citizenship
even though they relax the rules now, it's easier for eg for a man to bring back a china or vietnamese wife than for a woman to bring back some guy she marries in europe or USA
i mean THAT is unfair.
but if you're talking about plain economics, sure you CAN earn more money but if you only have the abilities to earn $350/mo for the rest of your life, no matter where you migrate, if you dont have the skills, you cant get the job.
and who said its so easy to migrate?
do your research carefully. its a helluva pain in the ass to do anything related to migration. (unless you're super rich or have skills that are so good that you'll be snatched up immiediately)
unless you want to be an illegal immigrant... then we dont wanna know about it
oh and right, i think he's not saying that he's wanting to migrate per se but i think he's saying that he think he's not geting the opportunities that he want to have in singapore. erm.. i think... (i really didnt read everything word for word)
classic case of the grass is greener on the other side -
If I understand the law correctly, what use to be the case is this - The wife can easily migrate to Singapore on the husband's merit. But the husband cannot migrate to Singapore on the wife's merit.Originally posted by nove:do you know there are singaporeans overseas who can't come back because they marry a foreigner and there used to be strict policies that once a singaporean female marries a foreigner, ur husband cannot get citizenship
even though they relax the rules now, it's easier for eg for a man to bring back a china or vietnamese wife than for a woman to bring back some guy she marries in europe or USA
i mean THAT is unfair.
This means, if you marry a Singapore husband, you probably get the citizenship regardless of anything else. But if you marry a Singapore wife, you still need to prove you are capable or rich, with similar comparison to another applicant who has no family ties here (I.e. zero points for having a family here).
The law has since change to a point system where family ties in Singapore improves ones chance of migrating to Singapore. I do not know if there is still uneven bonus points for a local husband versus a local wife. My understanding is that this point system is not transparent. -
what SBSK say is true la.............
haiz ... we r living here no choice
unless you are rich enough to migrate -
SBSK wt migrate must have $$$.
Unless you are born with silver spoon in yur mouth ah sia kia means you have to work to save that $$$ then you can migrate. $300,000 for australia dunno hw much for US, I think canada cheaper.
After you migrate you have a problem. You dunno anybody there, so we will very often still find you in sgforums. -
ang moh jiak kantang, wa nang jiak bng. You willing to give up everything back home? Including char kway teow?
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Also, eat out expensive usually. So must cook yourself to keep cost low. This is especially true if you stay away from the city area.Originally posted by ditzy:ang moh jiak kantang, wa nang jiak bng. You willing to give up everything back home? Including char kway teow? -
yes yes, that is exactly what i said..........Originally posted by Qitai:If I understand the law correctly, what use to be the case is this - The wife can easily migrate to Singapore on the husband's merit. But the husband cannot migrate to Singapore on the wife's merit.
This means, if you marry a Singapore husband, you probably get the citizenship regardless of anything else. But if you marry a Singapore wife, you still need to prove you are capable or rich, with similar comparison to another applicant who has no family ties here (I.e. zero points for having a family here).
The law has since change to a point system where family ties in Singapore improves ones chance of migrating to Singapore. I do not know if there is still uneven bonus points for a local husband versus a local wife. My understanding is that this point system is not transparent.
didnt realise i was so incoherent
apparently the new deal is that women who want to bring in their foreign husbands are purely on a case by case basis while theres no such regulation for men
but i guess they need men to get married and have progeny and so forth who knows -
No , now AUD750K for australia . USD 1 million for good ol uncle sam.Originally posted by KumSioJui:SBSK wt migrate must have $$$.
Unless you are born with silver spoon in yur mouth ah sia kia means you have to work to save that $$$ then you can migrate. $300,000 for australia dunno hw much for US, I think canada cheaper.
After you migrate you have a problem. You dunno anybody there, so we will very often still find you in sgforums.
However for me - no money qualification to enter- quite poor actually but better off than working in Singapore .I am just one of the needed skilled migrants they need. Enter through skill for those who are poor. Yes I am here in sgforums because I like to know the current affairs of singapore since it is still my country of citizenship.
For those desperate to get out . Maybe try for green card lottery - www.dvlotto.state.gov - that is for usa. -
Yeah, why flame others for having the guts and gumption to express their inner fustrations with our system?
Are we now becoming a communist country ? Put a dunce cap on those who dare oppose or criticise country's dictations? -
Maybe we can discuss the pros of staying in Sg as opposed of migrating overseas?
Anyone can list out the pros of staying in Sg? (I can't
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the only way u can migrate to more "developed" countries without paying $$$ is to attend university there, graduate with a good job offer in one of their local companies and agree to contribute to their economy. and of course, you can marry one of their citizens, its always easier for a spouse of a citizen to apply for citizenship.